Certainly. Let's begin with this, then.
>I remember the circumstances surrounding MLPchan's opening. I remember that it was a forceful attempt to take Ponychan away to a new place
Let us be clear - it was an attempt to give people any
other viable choice besides continuing to languish under what I will not sidestep from calling an incompetent, absent and capricious owner and admin. Nor will avoid saying it absolutely was an attempt to get people to move. That's not at question. People vote with their feet and there was no reason to hide the fact that we campaigned to show we offered what they weren't being given.
>It was even originally going to be called ponychan.co before people were quite vocal about how awful that would be
I have said this many times and feel I'll probably have to say it a few more; the one single internal discussion document Eudae unfortunately and accidentally copied that showed that name was never a final choice, and I had acquired several domains prior to our start while we were in planning stages.
>Ponychan staff was called horrible and publicly smeared by certain MLPchan staff.
If in this time of outright honesty, I would appreciate it if you said flat out who and what. Who said it, and what they said. Which staff? Lawny? James? Cross? Starshine? Tom? Macil? Eudae? Myself? And what was said beyond the things that could actually
be reasonable levied at you guys - like apathy, lack of interest, burnout, lack of care, going along with terrible ideas or failing to represent the community well? How much of what was said about you would you deny, would you say was smear and not somewhat true?
>It was born in an effort to remove Ponychan's old mods from authority, and take it's user base somewhere else
It was born in an effort to completely remake a new community without a terribly unhelpful administration and mod staff that in many ways had failed to live up to their authority, authority they had vested in them from users who should have been able to trust them, but in many ways couldn't.
Is that so? Is creating from scratch a community that, in less
than one full year, rivals an established and well-known predecessor that has been around three times as long
, failure? Is the latent effect of having done so, that of forcing that predecessor to wake up and make changes it likely never would have otherwise, for the good and better of its own remaining community, failure? Is having, over the last six months of this year or so of existence, directly and actively helped that predecessor with its problems, when they would have been very, very unlikely to do the same, failure? That is an interesting definition of failure, if so.
>and now Ponychan mods are being approached by the very people who openly attempted to destroy them
"We" (the people who apparently wanted to destroy you, as people and mods, apparently collectively) didn't approach "you" (collective) and trying to frame it as such paints a less than helpful picture. In fact, "we" didn't begin or seek this second round of discussions at all.
>(… ) How can you even say that without asking if people want it, running polls, etc?
The purpose of running massive double sitewide polls about something without even knowing if the people who would have to work to make it happen would be willing to negotiate would be completely without sense.
>Speaking of respect, our individual mod staffs have grown that for other members over time. However we have not grown it for members of the staff on the other side. Mod cliques would inevitably form and internal power struggling and politics would become more severe than ever as people try to decide who will be fired, who will be the authority, etc. (I haven't forgotten that either, Cross Breeze.)
The only purpose of internal struggle is ever over position and pecking order, which has always been stupid despite how much it's plagued Ponychan internally. (Nor are you, personally, exempt from them, as I know specific incidents would attest.)
>MLPchan and Ponychan have grown to be different places over their time separated. Quite recently, the rift has grown even wider. For example, Ponychan tries to be SFW, and now MLPchan has even picked up mature content generals from /mlp/.
Less a matter of cultural difference and more a matter of working out solution.
>something that could have happened if the world was perfect and nobody ever wronged anyone else
And yet, somehow, far more difficult, complicated and intricate meshings occur in the real world with far higher stakes. Somehow.
>Additionally, I would not even humor the idea of a merge unless the site kept the name "Ponychan."
Personally I never stated outright opposition to this. But let us be honest about something:
>That name is well known, has appeared in places like Equestria Daily many times over the past two years. Even Lauren Faust knows about it and considers it a relevant place, as evidenced by the fact that she chose it to visit when she got bugged over the fact that she visited /mlp/. It is an established place known about by many in the fandom
What remains of Ponychan's 'brand power' and name recognition is as much a detriment as it is a benefit, as that name is synonymous with many negative things.
>as a team, you were all in it together. That's a code I've done my best to live by the entire time I've moderated.
I feel you might not want to start down this particular line of discussion, considering all the things you would then be "in" for together as a mod team in terms of specific moderation incidents.
>Faster boards would be nice but I am loathe to destroy what we already have and build something new.
This has always been far more than about building a 'bigger' community, since it would also be about building a better
>However I don't disregard what has happened in the past as far as site politics go, either. I've been taken advantage of many times, and I don't intend to be again.
Nor do I, or we. It's not as if we've magically forgotten the public call-out on a random anon as me for the purpose of shaming the owner of a competing site, or of the jab at the site with the mlpchan.com link, or no small amount of private smearing in return or perceived retaliation, let alone what is highly suspected of Ponychan's one-time admin/one-time mod Dagan Bronstein and those who supported him, or of actions taking like those that were taken against dash-chan with similar intent towards them.
I remember not long after much of this, how you were unsure if you wanted to continue to be a part of the pony community, or at the very least, continue in your role as a moderator. And I remember that when you asked me what you should do, what I said. How I encouraged you not to give up - not to quit, like others had tried to do to you in the past - despite the difficult situation at the time.
There were two possibilities that existed when we left those 12 months or so ago. Either Ponychan would have continued down the path it was on - to immolation, to implosion, from internal drama, to cracking under its own weight, to administration or more schism or some plan or another by its resident sociopath. Or, it would be forced to face its harsh truths and make substantial, lasting changes. The latter happened, slowly over time, and it stabilized. But we don't and haven't forgotten how it got there and what it was like and what of those problems remain, and as much as we (and I) openly admit our own personal failings and regrets over specifics that happened, the "forgiveness" still seems like it's been a one way street, painted as if we have to be forgiven and yet receive no contrition in return.
Lastly,>I am loathe to destroy what we already have
The good things of either shouldn't be destroyed. But not all the things at either are good.