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Ponychan-MLPchan Merger >>>/site/15219

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Board Restructuring Anonymous 8646[View All]

It came up in another thread and I made my thoughts about it. >>8645

So I think everyone should think about it and give their input.

tl;dr the site could really improve with some changes to the boards.

Primarily through streamlining and recombining in different ways.

I know there's history and difficulty in accepting changes but hear it out and think about it and give your own ideas on how to make it better.

This includes a new name for /anon/.

Feel free to offer counter proposals to my idea, it's only an idea.
Just think about what would be the best combination so that there's less 'sprawl' and people spread out too thin, and a more even distribution of people and activity so it feels fresh and alive for everyone. I think I have a pretty good idea with what I thought of but I would like to hear yours.
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Anonymous 8893

>>8892
I'm a heretic: not a gamer. I wouldn't understand a game reference unless you said someone ate like Pac-Man, or something equally ancient.

Anonymous 8894

>>8893
not a problem.

Think of it like Waco without a David Koresh.

Anonymous 8895

>>8894
Heh. That's a little clearer.

Anonymous 8896

>>8892
>>8894
has anyone ever called you fucking brilliant?
cause you're fucking brilliant.

Admiral Yang Wenli 8898

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>>8896
Yeah, I have to say that's a fairly accurate description. Probably the best one sentence summary of the site I've heard.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8902

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>>8852
Again, it's a bit idle dreaming at this point.

It is poked on, but I'm not gonna say it's halfway on paper either. since ponychan too is looking for site dynamic that can muddle things up.

Though I think it's worth to think about should such talks be reinstated, since every major change does make it harder to be compatible.

>>8856
Ironically, as i've seen an mlpchan mod bark at someone being a douche to Mikie in /chat/, at this point moderation is far from as harsh as it used to be. Maybe we're even giving posters too much leeway (as I hear people complain moderation could be stricter in some places)
If that's the ban I'm thinking of, it was made at a bad time (when a lot of people were causing trouble).

>>8857
Hey, I'm not a prude. I can post sexual jokes. But I think there's a point where I'm not the person to stomp my foot down when there is conflict. and I have ideas, but I'm not the one to implement them.

>>8858
My experience on mlpchan through /oat/, /chat/ and /pony/ is that the difference is not that much. Ponychan is not inherently more hugboxy than mlpchan really. Both environments are basically the same, with different people.

Assimilation won't be what I desire. A merger will have to adopt /anon/ and all, but we're going to have to sit together overview the structure and discuss the management of the staff. (I personally find the idea of staff managers and what not too much, but eh)
what we will get, I think is MLPchan outside of /anon/ being ponychan and visa versa. Not because one site absorbed the other, but simply because they are nigh the same.

>>8860
so true

>>8882
Mods can talk orange into changing his mind and disagree.
But we're definitely not ready to just cut off the guy who built the community over a petty grains of new posters. So even if orange can be given the middle finger somehow, don't expect that to happen.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8903

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>>8880
And I don't want to put oil on the fire, but let me remind you that there's always more sides to the story.
There is no black and white. Orange is not the devil and Anonthony is not a saint.

that being said, the reverse is also not true.

Anonymous 8906

>>8902
>But we're definitely not ready to just cut off the guy who built the community
Funny, some of the people on Ponychan seem ready to do that to Anonthony.
>over a petty grains of new posters
Now you're sounding like Titanium Dragon, "worthless posters are worthless."
>petty grains
You mean about as many as you have? So Ponychan only has a few petty grains as well?

8907

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I'm okay with a merger between chat and oat.
Brings back the very first oat.
Back when noone really knew what it was for and nine out of ten threads were a scenario from a video game in which pony posters, and other posters were reacting.
It was fun.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8908

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>>8906
> Funny, some of the people on Ponychan seem ready to do that to Anonthony.
See. if ponychan says "we won't merge if you don't throw out Anonthony", mlpchan has the right to say "no merger".
If mlpchan says "we won't merge until you dump Orange", ponychan has the right to say "no merger".

and I'm just saying that if mlpchan feels like merging, ponychan will not dump Orange.

>>over a petty grains of new posters

> Now you're sounding like Titanium Dragon, "worthless posters are worthless."
>>petty grains
>You mean about as many as you have? So Ponychan only has a few petty grains as well?

All I am saying is that the merger is an attempt to rev up traffic for both boards. Ponychan is not desperate enough to throw out the person who built the community over it.

"Petty grain" is not meant as a denigrating remark towards mlpchan posters. It's just the stress on how the prospect of boosting board traffic doesn't mean we're gonna bend over and screw over people we still value.

really whatever comes from this, it's about the idea of merging. If we merge, all the better. If we don't merge we each live on as we do. No one is gonna say " If we don't merge I want all of you guys to quit and hand over your posters." It's not like we can be pirates and enter eachother's community and take control. As awesome as it may sound.

Anonymous 8909

>>8908
Except Orange isn't even really involved. It would be a perfectly reasonable request to say "its time for Mithent to actually be admin and not just an admin-in-name-only." Personally I wouldn't want any merger unless the admins were actually admins. Ponychan barely has any leadership at is is. Almost none, in fact.


>No one is gonna say " If we don't merge I want all of you guys to quit and hand over your posters."

Except someone already said that and that's why it failed the first time.

Anonymous 8911

>>8908
The way you keep wording things is incredibly off-putting and condescending sounding.
>If they feel like merging
>Ponychan will not dump Orange
It also >implies that Orange built the community.

No. He started the site. The community built itself.

It was the community of users who made all the content, who formed friendships, who made groups, who forged its culture, who made projects, who had activities, who drew, who wrote, who made that community.

Orange barely did jack shit all. Don't fucking give him credit for building shit. Half the time he was gone for months at a time. He kept the code running. Don't give him credit for anything else.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8912

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>>8909
> "its time for Mithent to actually be admin and not just an admin-in-name-only."
Mithent is already the admin.
Still no reason to drop out Orange if he doesn't agree.
> Except someone already said that and that's why it failed the first time.
No, What was said was
"We can't merge like this, if we merge Ponychan keeps its staff and we'll take on Macil."
So MLPchan says "no merger" and we move on.
I regret it was being said hastily. But none of us deny MLPchan's right of existence.

> Orange barely did jack shit all. Don't fucking give him credit for building shit.

He started up the site and paid (and probably still pays) the bills.
No Orange, no Ponychan.

> The way you keep wording things is incredibly off-putting and condescending sounding.

And I'm not a fan of how people insist on talking back and acting like I'm the unreasonable one. And talk as if Ponychan has forfeit the right to have any say in this.

Anonymous 8913

>>8912
>>8912
>Mithent is already the admin.
Mithent is admin-in-name only. Orange still owns things that should be in the control of the actual admin. It's as if Orange got someone to do all the work and take all the stress without any of the actual authority or ownership.

>No, What was said was

Don't tell me what was I said. I read it. You can misconstrue it all you want and try to play apologetics for what happened, but it was a flat out "no, you shut down and send all your users to us. (and then only maybe will we even deign to accept your SysAdmin as a mod). Don't you fucking dare tell me it was people here saying "no."

>And talk as if Ponychan has forfeit the right to have any say in this.

Who the fuck said that at any point? What right or say are people trying to deny you?

>He started up the site and paid

Starting and paying ==/== everything the community has done to make itself.

>And I'm not a fan of how people insist on talking back and acting like I'm the unreasonable one.

No, you're not being "unreasonable", you're just being deliberately obtuse and difficult to reason with, and trying to portray everything for your side as minimizing negatives without acknowledging a more objective view of things, which I am disappointed in because I used to think of you as better than that, to so quickly turn into a typical Ponychan mod and be brainwashed by the dominant mentality there.

Anonymous 8914

We're far off the topic of this thread, which is restructuring the boards for the best user experience possible. Which ironically almost immediately after this a Ponychan thread was made with remarkably similar possible outcomes even including "looser rules." Tl;dr "let's become MLPchan."

Anonymous 8915

>>8914
>"let's become MLPchan."
I like that idea.

Unless I'm mistaken or if anyone else has anything to add, it looks like we're down to this >>8838 and this >>8849, which are very similar. The differences only come down to:
> does /occ/ get merged back into /rp/, and
> do /art/ and /pic/ get merged into a fanworks board (/fan/), or something more general?

Anonymous 8916

>>8915
They made a thread on /ooc/ specifically to ask the users there about re-merging it back into /rp/. There has been minimal response, since despite thousands of posts a day in /rp/, /ooc/ isn't really all that widely used that I've seen.

As far as /art/ and /pic/ go, I'm not sure I get what you mean.

/fan/ seems pretty general - it's basically /art/ plus /pic/ plus also any other fan-projects (video, flash, games, software, etc.) /img/ would solely sound like, well, images - art and pics.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8917

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>>8914
>We're far off the topic of this thread,
Well the ponychan/mlpchan merger can only happen structurally if we don't venture off too far. That's the point to mention in this derail.

But it's pretty much pointless if mlpchan community is giving me the middle finger.
So, right, move on.

> Which ironically almost immediately after this a Ponychan thread was made with remarkably similar possible outcomes

Just saying, ponychan was first. About a few weeks ago we're already talking about /oat/ and /chat/ and we've got looser rules in like forever.

No dickwaving here, just pointing out.

>> 8849

sounds about right.

Get /chat/ to admit ponies and you're golden

Anonymous 8918

>>8917
Uh, no. http://www.ponychan.net/chan/meta/res/142669.html
Was just today. And essentially suggests the same structure being suggested here, with looser rules. And I know they're already "looser" from what they used to be. But "looser" when you started off as jackbooted nazi's doesn't exactly mean they're as good as they should be. And now it's basically just seeming like copy MLPchan. Which is ironic for all the calls people there (staff included) used to do saying MLPchan copied Ponychan. But hey, desperate times at Ponychan must call for desperate measures I guess.

And if you're talking about /oat/-/chat/ merger talks, that's been going on off and on for over a year, perhaps you didn't notice. So not exactly relevant.

And don't play the victim with me, Artee, and act like the entire community here is giving you the finger. You're only talking to one person - remember your own words:
>But aren't you making the same fault?
>Extrapolating the thoughts of a few onto the idea of the masses?
QED.

And the only finger you're getting is the one pointing at you and telling you to look in the damn mirror and be more objective.

Wave your dick at that.

Anonymous 8919

>>8916
>As far as /art/ and /pic/ go, I'm not sure I get what you mean.
/pic/ currently contains all sorts of stuff: screencaps from the show, fan art (not usually by who posted it), R34, everything. So does /art/, as well as discussions on what software people use, etc. Neither is solely about fan-made content, although /art/ leans more towards it. Even there, it doesn't look like most of it was posted by the creators.

I assume /fan/ would be strictly for the creators themselves. How much creator-posted content does this site get? I'm not married to the name /img/, which leaves out "video, flash, games, software, etc.," but it seems to me that /fan/ is also too specific.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8920

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>>8918

I think Pill Popper is a very cool guy with a fun OC and all.
But isn't he technically an MLPchan pony?
And I think we sort of state in that thread that we're loose enough already.

> Wave your dick at that.

Can't be nice here, huh?
Ah well, I think we do bury the thoughts of merger and everything and I'll see what Anonthony and the MLPchan mods say.
I think as the thread originally is concerned, I've made my point already.

So you figure out your things then.

Anonymous 8921

>>8918
>…if you're talking about /oat/-/chat/ merger talks, that's been going on off and on for over a year…
Really? Cool. I, newbie, saw the need by my second day here and reinvented the wheel without knowing someone had already done it. I'm not patting myself on the back. When that happens, it just means it's probably a good idea.

Anonymous 8922

>>8921
Ponychan is just incapable of making decisions. They've been dilly-dallying over it for a year or more because they're mired in more bureaucracy than US local government and have no authority figures. It gets brought up here, some staff talk one on one with posters on Skype and in threads, and you could probably do it here with minimal fuss. I'm willing to bet even now after six weeks of the latest round of discussions about it over there it will still be touchy if and when they do anything. The majority distrust the staff, distrust /meta/ and certainly distrust the /meta/ regulars who basically run the show.

Anonymous 8923

Where discussion seems to be….

>/site/ - Site Issues

>/arch/ - Archives

>/pony/ - The Show

>/free/ - Anything Goes
>/oat/ - Off-Topic

>/fic/ - Fanfiction

>/rp/ - Roleplay
>/fan/ - Fanwork

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Notes:
- /oat/ includes all social serials and general /oat/meal.
- /pony/ is slightly looser and less serious oriented.
- /fan/ includes all art threads, fan projects, and so on.
- /free/ is /anon/ - mlpchan.net/anon/ should redirect to /free/ so the word of mouth doesn't go to waste for people who decide to look for /anon/.
- /rp/ and /ooc/ are remerged into just /rp/.
- /fic/ and /fan/ include Mature tag. /free/ is tag or spoiler.
- the names /oat/, /fan/ and /free/ still possibly up for debate for now.
- higher bump limit than current for /free/ so active threads stay bumped longer.
- I suggest adding the 4chanX feature of post/image count plus [page #] so generals know what page their thread is on while in it, so it doesn't 404 before they can make a new edition.
- Finish the catalog feature.

Anonymous 8924

>>8923
Note: I put /oat/ still in there instead of /chat/ for nostalgia sake, and because "OT" (off topic) could be pronounced "oat". "ot".

Anyways, heh.

Anonymous 8925

>>8923
Well, it's one proposal. This >>8919 still needs more discussion, imho.

Anonymous 8926

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Delete all boards, create /ef/.

/solution

Anonymous 8927

>>8925
What was the alternative? Just /art/?

Anonymous 8928

>>8923
Has my seal of approval. Be prepared for buttmad though

Anonymous 8929

>>8927
>What was the alternative? Just /art/?
The original alternative was /img/, but someone (>>8923, I assume) wanted /fan/, and wants it to include "video, flash, games, software, etc." That sounds fine, but he also seems to want for it to be creator-driven. I don't see much creator-posted content anywhere on mlpchan.

Anonymous 8930

>>8929
>I don't see much creator-posted content anywhere on mlpchan.
Correction: except in /fic/.

Anonymous 8931

>>8929
As a minor board, it doesn't need to be fast. It just needs to serve its purpose as a place for threads that won't 404 and take a longer time to house and such. Art galleries, commission threads and so on. There are plenty of artists and they do often do their thing in random threads, but perhaps with some of the fat trimmed off here a board for artists to keep long-term threads up onmight be more useful. I guessIjust find /img/ to be a bit tough a sell for an imageboard, where everything is technically img.

Anonymous 8932

>>8931
>Ijust find /img/ to be a bit tough a sell for an imageboard
As I said here >>8919, I am not married to the name /img/. I just think /fan/ would either be dead or an off-topic mess. I respectfully submit that it might be time for the mods to look over this thread, condense it, and start an official one based on what they glean out of it, as Applejack said here: >>8657.

Anonthony!AppLeJAcK. 8934

>>8932
You are correct.

>>8933
>>8933
>>8933

Solstice!xjqyfyqyV6 8962

>>8923
as much as people on /oat/ like to prove me wrong, I just don't believe that /oat/ is a place for serials.

Admiral Yang Wenli 8963

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>>8962
Then we call it /chat/ and be done with it. It's semantics at this point.

Eris!SCChaoticM 8964

>>8963
Chat is completely off-topic discussion.

Admiral Yang Wenli 8965

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>>8964
That plan is basically to merge /oat/ and /chat/. Saying that /chat/ topics don't belong on /oat/ after the merge isn't helping. Because while they don't now, they will.

Eris!SCChaoticM 8966

>>8965
I'm not talking about a merge because I don't believe one is necessary.

Admiral Yang Wenli 8967

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>>8966
If that's what you mean to say, say it, but I don't think there's a plan on the table that leaves /oat/ untouched. That one is better than the others for /oat/ since it leaves it with it's name at least.

Eris!SCChaoticM 8968

>>8967
Then that's all it will really be after that. A name.

Admiral Yang Wenli 8969

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>>8968
Which is all it ever was. A name and some posters. The posters will be there and the name will be there. Just diluted.

Anonymous 8975

>>8968
>one isn't needed
/oat/ has completely collapsed and if you don't see that you are a thousand percent blind. it's deader than a doornail.

The Vulture !3bqGraff0U 8976


I'd prefer to keep the name /oat/ since it is sort've my home and stuff.
Still not opposed to a merger, but… I probably wouldn't post around much without /oat/…

Where would the spontaneous rp fit into a merger anyway? Assuming /oat/ as a board still would exist, I guess there, but otherwise..,

8978

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Seeing so many posts, I'm unsure why any change is necessary. Seems like even the dead boards still have their loyal users.

The Vulture !3bqGraff0U 8980

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>>8978
True, /oat/ has a very tight knit community, and can never really die out as a result.
However, the current /oat/ posters could effectively be counted on your hand.

8982

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>>8980
Well /pony/ is almost as dead itself, aside from our /chat/ty thread that resides there for reasons. And we can't blame hiatus this time. Equestria Girls.

8984

>>8982
Blame EqGirls, then.

The Vulture !3bqGraff0U 8986

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>>8982
In my humble opinion, /pony/ should be left alone, as the notch it filles couldn't be done in /oat/ effectively. Not to say that /oat/ wouldn't be welcoming, just that Srs discussion has… Trouble on /oat/…

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 8994

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>>8982

Equestria Girls got its proper does of speculation and concept discussion, as befits a new 'episode' that's been teased. But until it's universally available, it's awkward to discuss the content. The comics have (or at least had) a similar handicap.


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