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Regarding /pic/ and /art/ Anonymous ## Mod 7974

We'd like to discuss the possibility of combining the above boards into one, general image repository board.

They serve very similar function, and the line between "pic" which is supposed to just mean episode screencaps, official images and manipulations, macros and so on, and "art" which are supposed to just be for fan drawn images, isn't very big and they might serve better as a single board for the resource of posting images in volume for people to share and save, and serve to streamline and simplify the site structure with as few boards as possible.

Let us know your thoughts so we can see the users input. Thanks.

Anonymous 7995

They're both basically dead. Might as well merge the boards, their content doesn't really conflict with each other

Anonymous 8025

Anonymous 8128

/art/ and /pic/ at the moment cater to pretty different groups, though. The proposal seems less "merge /art/ and /pic/" and more "remove /art/".

>>7974
Might want to post in /art/ about this. I mean, it's slow, but it doesn't seem to be completely dead.

Anonymous 8159

>>8128
>>8128
It's not about the speed, they'd be fine otherwise. It's about having less similar purpose boards and keeping things as simple as possible. If one board suits all kinds of image dumps - both volume pics and artists galleries, why not.

Anonymous !!s+rdmXe9pC 8593

Since there isn't a ton of concern one way or another, we'll decide this soon.

Anonymous 8607

>>7974
Whether or not you merge them might depend on how busy they get. I don't know. How much is this site's traffic picking up? If you have a twelve-lane highway in a city of only 20 thousand people, you've probably over-designed it, but you don't want to tear it down to six lanes. You might end up having to put those other lanes back.

Anonymous 8613

>>8612
Yeah, but /mlp/ on 4chan is undergoing a moderator assault, and people are pouring in here. I just jumped ship today. I don't know how many others are, but I assume the admins here have a way to tell.

This site could get a massive influx fast. That might already be happening. I don't know.

Anonymous 8616

>>8613
In addition to them not really being utilized as much as they could be, it's also about whether they have an inherent usefulness.

Most people who do pic dumps tend to do so now in /oat/ or /anon/ anyways, and do random draw threads there as well. While /art/ still has a good use possible as a long term host for artist galleries, commission threads, request threads and so on, /pic/ doesn't have a ton of usefulness considering that most people searching for specific images can use boorus which are more functional.

Anonymous 8617

>>8613

Really?
From what I understand, things have gone back to normal. Many generals save from the banned ones have gone back.

Anonymous 8618

>>8617
it's still a big uptick here.

and possible a continual one, since the banned ones still attract outside visitors who liked their content.

Anonymous 8619

>>8618

Hope so.
The banned generals need new blood in order to continue. They still need to be promoted on /mlp/.

Anonymous 8620

>>8619
That is very true. I hope people don't forget the help this place gave them in a time of crises.

Anonymous 8621

>>8620

Yes. They gave us a house during that time of hardship and the least we can do is bring some activity and content here. There's no need to be loyal to only one place; I browsing both sites now.

Anonymous 8622

>>8616
> …it's also about whether they have an inherent usefulness.
I see your point. Familiarizing myself with this site has made me realize that it's really spread out and sprawling, and the way the rules work for different boards is complicated:

1) Mature content can be posted anywhere in /anon/ as long as you spoiler it, but you don't need to if the opening post is tagged #Mature.

2) Mature content can only be posted threads where the opening post is tagged #Mature in /pic/, /fic/, and /art/; you can't post it otherwise even if you spoiler it.

3) Mature content is prohibited everywhere else, spoilered or not; you can't even designate the thread #Mature in /site/, /arch/, /pony/, /oat/, /rp/, /ooc/, or /chat/ by tagging the opening post.

It made my brain hurt. Even though I'm an artist and writer, I suspect I'll usually just stay in /anon/. It's more straightforward. I just saw a thread earlier in /art/ where I would have liked to have posted a nude (my own work — not porn, but there are bare breasts in it), and it would have fit with what else was there and what the OP was asking for, but I couldn't. That thread wasn't tagged #Mature in its opening post.

>>8617
>From what I understand, things have gone back to normal.
I was just over there. It doesn't feel normal at all. It's like the Stepford /Mlp/. Go look at the front page and refresh it a few times.

Maybe this is paranoid, but I couldn't shake the feeling that the mods are starting dummy threads to make it look normal, but they aren't normal, and that they're quickly deleting everything that doesn't suit the New Board Order. It's like they replaced a normal kindergarten class with robot children that stay in their places and play quietly: "Look, everything is under control."

It's creepy.

Anonymous 8623

>>8622

>I see your point. Familiarizing myself with this site has made me realize that it's really spread out and sprawling, and the way the rules work for different boards is complicated:




This. Due to the nature of the most of /mlp/'s generals to be NSFW, there's no ideal board in this place. Though being MLP related, they can't go to /oat/ because of the mature content and because the have both written and art work they can't go to /fic/ nor /art/ respectively. Shame really, I don't like the idea of shoving all of them into /anon/ save for a few rouges like Tulpa. That way the board could had been still forced anonymous.

>I was just over there. It doesn't feel normal at all. It's like the Stepford /Mlp/.


Also this.
I have the ominous feeling that this is not over. /mlp/ doesn't feel like what it used to. People are needing new writers and drawfags because some left permanently and if another purge happens I don't think /mlp/ will survive.

Anonymous 8624

>>8623
>…there's no ideal board in this place.
There might not be. I've changed my mind about what I said here >>8607 and here >>8613. Now I'm thinking merging some boards might be better.

Simplifying the rules might be, too. It seems to me that the place only needs #1 and #3 that I listed here >>8622. It doesn't really need #2.

As I said earlier, #2 just kept me from posting a piece of my artwork where it was relevant, and probably would have been appreciated. The OP just didn't include the #Mature tag, even though the theme of the art he wanted (smoking ponies) was pretty mature.

Anonymous ## Mod 8625

>>8624
>>8623
>>8622
I'm of the mind to do some serious streamlining ASAP.

We have a few things to get through first - currently to likely re-merge /ooc/ and /rp/ (it was split for reasons that are no longer applicable, when RP canons were starting up and the planning threads more numerous than the canon threads.) Merging /pic/ and /art/ into a single image-gallery type board, to be primarily used for long-term thread hosting for artists, their commissions/request threads.

This would leave us with a site structure like the following:
/site/ - site issues (pretty straightforward and necessary)
/arch/ - archives (another obvious one, serving a purpose, not really a board people post on)

/pony/ - serious discussion (mostly active and important during seasons, serving a purpose)
/oat/ - a… unique subculture that primarily is it's own thing. hard to describe. non-serious offbeat sfw pony

/fic/ - an important if smaller part of the community for long-term fic reviewing
/rp/ - long-running, planned roleplays
/art/ - artist threads, art galleries

/chat/ - off-topic, sfw, threads and socializing serials
/anon/ - the anonymous' culture pony board

Nine total boards - 7 actual boards for posting (minus /site/ and /arch/)

Now, there is definitely still room after that for further streamlining. How it would exactly work would really be up to the community and their input. Merge /oat/ and /pony/ as many have talked about in the past? /oat/ typically dislikes those discussions… but they haven't exactly been a very active part of things lately. Merge /chat/ and /anon/, eliminating the one barrier between them, the difference in one having nsfw and one not? One or both would dramatically reduce division and 'sprawl' and increase the speed, which makes everything feel more active and alive.

The question is whether the community would support such notions. While we're definitely not as unmovable on site issues as 4chan and listen as hard as we can, we're also not as wishy-washy and slow to react to changing situations as Ponychan. When it comes down to it we would make a choice and go with it, unafraid to take the chance at making a big improvement - but it would have to at least have some grassroots support.

Anonymous 8626

>>8625
>Merge /chat/ and /anon/, eliminating the one barrier between them, the difference in one having nsfw and one not?
I'm not sure. You know how the regulars in /chat/ would feel about it better than I do. Because of your "settings" popup, which is pretty elegant, by the way, why is NSFW even an issue? If people don't like NSFW, all they have to do is uncheck the box (which is unchecked by default anyway) and they don't have to look at it. Nobody forces anyone to click on spoilered images, either.

Now that I think about that, what I said in >>8624 about not needing Rule #2 was incorrect. Because of the way your settings work, what you really don't need is Rule #3. These two censorship divisions…

> 1) Mature content can be posted anywhere in (list boards) as long as you spoiler it, but you don't even need to do that if the opening post is tagged #Mature.


> 2) In (list boards), mature content can only be posted in threads where the opening post is tagged #Mature; you can't post it otherwise even if you spoiler it.


…should be enough. In Type #2, the users can keep those boards squeaky-clean with their settings. It took me an hour to wrap my head around the three different types as they are.

Sorry I can't help more with which boards to keep and which are unnecessary or redundant. You know your site's culture. I don't.

Ion-Sturm 8628

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>>8626
>Because of your "settings" popup, which is pretty elegant, by the way, why is NSFW even an issue?
We get NSFW threads on /fic/ not being properly tagged from time to time. I imagine that could be an issue there as well.

Anonymous 8630

>>8625
do it, anything to help this site feel less dead is a win in my book.

you should also merge /pony/ and /oat/ since /pony/ is completely inactive except for a circlejerk serial thread.

Anonymous 8639

>>8628
>We get NSFW threads on /fic/ not being properly tagged from time to time.
I don't know what the mods could do about that, unless there are enough of them to add the #Mature tag to the opening posts of threads that need it. In a voluntary system, there are always going to be mistakes and deliberate disobedience. Maybe the over-sensitive just need either to toughen up a bit, or leave. There are lots of other MLP:FiM sites that censor the crap out of everything.

It sounds like /fic/ definitely needs to stay Type #2 (meaning this >>8626). Killing the adult fiction would kill it. Even /mlp/ has an "anything goes" attitude toward text. EqD's attitude toward adult content (as well as an incompetent pre-reader) was what made me lose interest in the place before I even gained an interest in it.

>>8629

>This site has the boards it does because the site structure and board names were originally copied wholesale from Ponychan…
I figured it was something like that, although I didn't know it was similar to Ponychan. Never been there, in spite of having repeatedly been told on /mlp/, "Get back to Ponychan." If this place has ex-pats from /mlp/, Ponychan, EqD, RS, etc., pleasing all of them is hopeless.

Personally, I would err on the side of "anything goes." I fled EqD and RS after trying each for about a week because I found them too prudish, I've heard the same (but don't know if it's true) about Ponychan, and now people are fleeing /mlp/ because it cracked down too hard. Fuck censorship.

>>8630
>…anything to help this site feel less dead is a win in my book.
It does feel dead, but it isn't dead. It's just so spread-out that its activity is, too. That's why, as I said here >>8626, it took me an hour to wrap my head around the rules. They're not all listed in one place, and /anon/ contradicts what the index page says.

>>8630
>you should also merge /pony/ and /oat/ since /pony/ is completely inactive except for a circlejerk serial thread.
I would also suggest using names that are more intuitive. What does "oat" mean? (I know it means "oatmeal," but I had to look.) "Anon" doesn't really mean anything either, unless you're from /mlp/.

As I've gotten a feel for the place, it's started to seem that /pic/ and /art/ being separate is the least of the site creators' worry. At least they mean something. "Pony" and "oat" really don't, and neither does "chat" and "anon."

Anonymous 8641

>>8629
>implying ponychan's board names were original
>implying there's something better to call an "art" board than "/art/"
>implying you aren't a mad as fuck ponychanner and bitter oldfag who only ever posts on /site/ here
Get the fuck back to ponychan, faggot.

Anonymous 8642

Samefag who wrote this >>8639. After looking the board over this morning with fresh eyes, this is what I would suggest. I am repeating the rule sets at the bottom of this post. Perhaps all three sets should be preserved, but they need to be stated concisely on the front page.

> /site/ - Same as it ever was. Type #3 rules.


> /arch/ - Same as it ever was. Rules don't apply since it contains everything.


> /show/ - More intuitive name for /pony/. Change rules to Type #2.


> /ot/ - For "off-topic," a merging of /oat/ and /chat/. Type #3 rules.


> /fic/ - Same as it ever was. Type #2 rules.


> /rp/ - Same as it ever was, except change rules to Type #2.


> /rpp/ - More intuitive name for /occ/ (if it's even necessary). Change rules to Type #2.


> /img/ - For "image," a merging of /art/ and /pic/. Change rules to Type #1.


> /anon/ - Just as it is. Type #1 rules. I dislike the counter-intuitive name, but can't think of anything better — /cess/ for "cesspool," perhaps?


Rule Sets:

> 1) Mature content can be posted anywhere in /anon/ and /img/ as long as you spoiler it, but you don't even need to do that if the opening post is tagged #Mature.


> 2) In /show/, /fic/, /rp/, and /rpp/, mature content can only be posted in threads where the opening post is tagged #Mature; you can't post it otherwise even if you spoiler it.


> 3) Mature content prohibited in /site/ and /ot/.


I still dislike having three different rule sets, but they're not really that complicated. The current problem is that they're not stated concisely, but they might all be necessary. I don't know enough yet to suggest how they might be condensed into two sets.

Anonymous 8643

>>8641
>Get the fuck back to ponychan, faggot.
I'm from /mlp/ myself, but this place obviously has immigrants who fled from everywhere. It wasn't created just for /mlp/ refugees. You're not in Kansas anymore, so get back to /mlp/, faggot, and play nicely in the kindergarten Moot and his mods are creating.

Anonymous 8645

>>8640
>>8642
I believe a new thread would be best for bringing up more wholesale changes to the site structure, but this is a good line of dialogue.

A counter…

>/site/ - standard site issues board. Like /q/ if you actually got responses.


>/arch/ - standard site archives.


>/pony/ - I too think /show/ is a bit more descriptive, but that namechange was tried once before - on Ponychan - and the resultant shitstorm forced them to eventually change it back. I would say this should be the combination of /oat/ and /pony/. Without new episodes at the moment, and with the only difference between /pony/ and /oat/ being how "serious" or canon a discussion is, that differentiation is largely meaningless, even during seasons.


>/fic/ - standard fanfiction board as it stands right now


>/art/ - an artwork board for artist galleries, request threads, commissions, for threads to stay around long-term. /pic/ is not really useful when you consider the use of boorus and the fact that people who want image dumps just make them in more populated areas anyways so there's people participating and talking about them rather than just blandly dumping pics in a separate area.


>/rp/ - merged /rp/ and /ooc/, as is most likely going to happen anyways


>/chat/ - a sfw off-topic board for socializing and where people can go for everything non-pony, to talk with fellow users about whatever or circlejerk.


>/free/ (or… /horse/, to contrast with pony/, lol) - the free reign, nearly anything goes board currently known as /anon/. pony, non-pony, generals, mature, etc.


Rules:
>1) Mature content can be posted anywhere in /free/ as long as you spoiler it, but you don't even need to do that if the opening post is tagged #Mature which will cover all posts in the thread.
>2) Mature content can be posted in /fic/ and /art/ with the #mature tag
>3) There's really no need for adult content in the show discussion board or off-topic or /site/, so not a huge need to extend it beyond those three boards

The greatest difficult to this would be getting /pony/ and /oat/ to accept merger into each other, as Ponychan is currently experiencing trying to merge /oat/ and /chat/ together (internally they are deeply conflicted about it despite the necessity and have been debating it for literally months, over a year even.) I think pony-oat is a more logical merger though, but they won't do it there. It should be done here instead, and the name would be more logical too. As I said it would still be the biggest difficulty, since /pony/ feels entitled about its name and seriousness, despite the small size of the core userbase, and /oat/ despite it's fading relevance feels nostalgiafaggish for it's name and 'identity'. Still though. It should be done. There wouldn't be any impediment to merging /rp/-/ooc/, or axing /pic/, which is instantly 2 less extraneous boards, but the big one would be mergering /pony/-/oat/.

It would look like:
/site/ - /arch/ —– /pony/ - /fic/ - /art/ -/rp/ —— /chat/ - /free/

Or alternatively:
/site/ - /arch/ —– /pony/ - /horse/ —— /fic/ - /art/ - /rp/ —– /chat/

8 total boards. 6 if you minus the /site/-/arch/ meta-boards. 3 major and 3 minor.

8647

Anonymous 8648

>>8645
The problem with having separate /art/ and /pic/ threads is that there aren't enough drawfags to support /art/. That's why I suggested combining both into a single /img/ board. The opening posts alone are enough to separate artists' threads from image dumps. Image dumps should be discouraged in /anon/, though not outright forbidden. A board culture that says, "Go back to /img/, faggot" is probably sufficient.

> I too think /show/ is a bit more descriptive, but that namechange was tried once before - on Ponychan - and the resultant shitstorm forced them to eventually change it back.

While I hate the autocratic way Moot and the mods are going about things on /mlp/, a certain amount of that is necessary. Let 'em whine. They'll eventually stop. Even the horsefuckers on /mlp/ will eventually shut up, and what's happening there is much worse than a name change.

I stand by what I said here >>8642, although probably only the mods themselves know what the cultural reasons for /oat/ and /chat/ are. I don't see anything on those boards that can't be absorbed by a squeaky-clean /ot/ and an "anything goes" /anon/ — or /cess/ which is more original and descriptive. "Anon" feels like pandering. We all hate pandering, don't we? Of course we do!

> /site/ (3), /arch/ (NA), /show/ (2), /ot/ (3), /fic/ (2), /rp/ (2), /rpp/ (2), /img/ (1), /anon/ (1)

is simple and straightforward. It could be further simplified by merging /rp/ and /rpp/, but I assume they were separated for a reason. Looks like the issue is still controversial there. I don't roleplay, so I don't know and don't much care.

At some point, the mods are just going to have to let the chips fall where they may and ignore the whining.

And with that, I shall now go here:
http://mlpchan.net/site/res/8646.html


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