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Ponychan-MLPchan Merger >>>/site/15219

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Ponychan Merge Anonymous 7843

So I saw this screencap on Ponychan in the merge thread. Is there some story behind this that doesn't match the story we're being told or did Anonthony really lose his mind at the other chans again?

(Posting this in a new thread as per the request in the other one)

Admiral Yang Wenli 7844

AFAIK it wasn't Anonthony that flipped his lid this time, it was Moony and Thirtyfour.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 7846

>ejecting people from a skype group that's basically dead
>losing your mind

People pretty thoroughly discussed what happened in that thread, so i am very confused as to why you're asking this; it was a chat made where people were tossing around ideas, and in the middle everyone got angry and stopped talking.

Filler 7847

The picture in the OP has nothing to do with the merger talks. (Note the date.) The picture in the OP was of a chat that had mods across chans in it, but it was, for the most part, pretty dead. Or at least it was to my recollection; it was a while ago.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 7848

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oh, it was the interchan thing

that makes it even less relevant

Anonymous 7849

Ok you literalist, replace 'lose his mind' with 'take his ball and go home.' (Ok maybe not his literal ball.) I still don't know why he couldn't have let everyone cool off and try to talk things out after a few hours. And this wouldn't be the first time something thoroughly discussed in a thread on the internet turns out to be false after new information is uncovered.

They said they had been planning this behind closed doors for months though. The screencap was only 1 month ago

Filler 7850

I was in that chat for a while. I'm pretty sure we didn't talk about a merger in there. Or about anything not related to video games, for that matter. I'm afraid I don't recall.

Regardless, you can be assured that the picture in the OP has nothing to do with the recent merger talks.


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From what I heard, it was Moony and some other mod.
They wanted essentially everyone from mlpchan fired, and mlpchan basically deleted.

Or so I am told. It sort've goes with every experience I've ever had with moony, but I digress: A lot of folk felt betrayed when mlpchan started.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 7853

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>They said they had been planning this behind closed doors for months though. The screencap was only 1 month ago

No no, the idea had existed for awhile. There was absolutely no "planning" being done until very recently. The interchan chat was just a room that had all the mods from Ponychan, MLPChan, efchan, and the admins of bronystate and Lunachan in there. That's why you can see Black Butterfly and British's skypes in there.

Like Filler said, that was something entirely different. The interchan chat was mostly dead at that point, regardless, and just kind of got cleared out.

As far as I -know-, the actual merger chat still exists. I left it, but I think it still exists, because it wasn't just Anonthony "taking his ball and going home," everyone got frustrated in conglomeration and stopped talking


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D' you know what happened to that anon's post in that /mlp/ thread which was locked a few posts after?
That one seemed to explain it pretty well, but I wasn't able to save it, since I was on my iphone.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 7855

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i didnt see it, i dont really go to /mlp/


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Speaking from my experiences with Moony during his push to make a contest between /fic/ and EqD (which a lot of /fic/ users were against since he was trying to force a change in board dynamics while at it), he would rather break than bend when it comes to debates. He's power-hungry and manipulative (/ef/ incident and his actions in the /meta/ thread spring to mind) and I've heard from other mods that they don't particularly approve of his presence or actions. if there's one good thing Zamoonda could have done during his time in shadow-power, it would have been to remove Moony; even he didn't like Moony.


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This one.
My experiences with him were all on /oat/.
As such, I think of him as spin-myster hugbox.
That is to say, he was the PR guy for pchan.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 7858

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oh, i dunno, dont got nothin to do with that. i aint a mod no more


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For some reason, I figured you might've saved it. Ah well.

Anonthony!AppLeJAcK. 7869

>guy who hates this place making shit-stirring statements using a month old cap from a chat no one was using that's unrelated to the merger discussion and trying to flip the blame for the sinking of those discussions he wasn't even aware of until recently and when the bulk of the actual logs showing what happened were posted in full public view already
Agenda-non pls, pls try harder than this.

Arctic!TEMPeStR9o 7892

oh. I was totally in that chat
it completely died and thony killed it by removing everyone.

that's literally all there is to that image.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 7907

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Moony was taken by surprise to arrive online and see a, granted, draft document on how a merger would look like. Thought the plan was already decided.
He hastily called against it and was less than diplomatic about it.

However, it would have been salvable if others didn't feel the need to call him out on powerhungry egocentrism and just say "fudge it, you take your shitty board and have fun with it." RAGE-QUIT!
I don't think it's fair to blame Moony for everything.

34 was mainly unsure that it would sit well with the respective userbases, a thought not only reserved to ponychan moderation, mind you.

At that, I wonder how mlpchan would feel about the merger anyways?
A lot of people have fled ponychan over disagreements and I don't really see anyone on here calling to get back to ponychan and the moderation. Well, it would be a joint board, but let's say we don't get the reverse and ponychan staff is dismantled, the moderation would probably happen under a combined resolution with ponychan and mlpchan rules and enforced by a share of mods on as well ponychan and mlpchan.
Especially now with the more racy /mlp/ folks finding a new haven on mlpchan, would a merger really work out? /mlp/ considers ponychan as autism central and loathes its regulation (isn't the joke that ponychan is why /mlp/ turned to crap?)

On a side issue, there is that detail about porn which makes mlpchan rather peculiar. Ponychan has always kept the principle of not allowing porn on the board in which form whatsoever. Granted, more a sentimental thing than a necessary one (barring the fact that webfaction states to not allow porn on the hosted site)
So should there be a merger ever, the porn issue is a sore point.

Did mlpchan at the time think that through?

Well, I don't know how much pride has been hurt on both sides to dream of re-negotiations, perhaps better announced and people told to not act on impulses. The last negotiations were plenty hurtful, so I'd think that can account for an understandable rejection.

I hope though that we can look at this a more with some goodwill and understand that some things said were more of strongly worded surprise and not like >>7856 with the idea that some people are powerhungry madman and one of the sides is just a spawn point of hell.

Anonymous 7909

[6/3/2013 3:10:07 PM] :034:: I quite simply can't accept a staff change

He flat out said, in no uncertain terms, he was unwilling to accept any change to the staff whatsoever. That isn't being "unsure it would sit well with the userbases." In fact it's a reason that has nothing to do with the userbases at all. It was entirely about being totally unwilling to accept any changes to the staff whatsoever. Please don't rewrite what happened.
And it is ironic, because his appointment as a mod was met with so much resistance, having come from a board with about 10 posts a week, who rarely if ever left it, and who had no understanding of any of the other boards, cultures, histories or groups on the site and who now thinks he can act and speak unequivocally for it. He was barely a member of the overall community before Orange arbitrarily appointed the first small-board poster he noticed at /meta/, and now he acts self-righteous and sanctimonious.

As for what Ion said, well Ion is Ion. He's well known for that.


Why in god's name would a merged site, which would be larger than either currently, not move to Dedicated hosting when one of them already has it?

Artee!gGbtp8oU16 7941

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Then you negotiate what to do with it.
34 did basically that he originally wasn't gonna press stuff too hard and still the issue with the userbase was nonetheless one of his points.

> Why in god's name would a merged site, which would be larger than either currently, not move to Dedicated hosting when one of them already has it?

That takes care of the rational argument. how much work does it take to switch a full grown board from provider? I dunno.
Well, ponychan sourcecode is to be rewritten in tinyboard anyways.

Still, I'm gonna stick with the principle.

Artee!gGbtp8oU16 7942

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and what *is* mlpchan's take on the merger at this point?

willing to negotiate later?
Or fuck that shit?

Anonthony!AppLeJAcK. 7943

I said I was fine with continuing to talk about it again at some point. Probably later this week though, as I'm obviously rather busy at the moment.

We've moved servers before in checking out various options. It's not only not terribly difficult but users never even know it happened outside of the few minutes it takes to transfer over.

Daioh!QsjdcJAqKo 8015

please consider the merge, anything to keep ponychan alive…please…


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>Keep ponychan alive.
Top lel.

My personal stance on the merge is against, but I suppose I wouldn't be horribly upset if it happened.
So long as Anonthony stays an admin, however. He is the only mod I really trust completely…

Anonymous 8030

He had already volunteered to step down as Admin. The rough idea that a neutral party had presented and the two sides started to talk about was Mithent and Macil as co-admins, merged mod staffs and Moony and Anonthony as sort of "community managers" doing things like community projects, leading site discussions, liaisons to the users and subcommunities representing usergroups.

But that was before all this /mlp/ boom here and Ponychan falling a bit behind.

And it's funny because the agenda-anon who got permabanned at Ponychan today started trying to spread rumor that Anonthony "flipped out and ended the discussions" when the opposite happened, Moony sunk them and Anthony was the first person to volunteer to lose position to get the negotiations started.

But whatever. They all said they were still willing to talk.


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It would've never worked anyways.
But, I digress: With the anonvasion we now may have a decent bargaining piece…
Still would prefer Anonthony stays in place, though. Seems to really be a man of the posters…
He would've been sorely missed. Though, I guess worst comes to worse, mlpchan could rise again…

Anonymous 8032

Who knows. Maybe the situation has changed in negotiations because of this. Ponychan just had Lauren Faust herself visit, yet right now there's more people here and more posts. And Ponychan is over twice as old and established as this site.

Obviously he's good at his job.


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Suppose so, but like I said; I haven't seen a post from him in ages. Even before, back in the early days, he didn't seem to post much. But then, back then, I didn't exactly lurk /site/. Just /chat/ and /oat/…

Artee!gGbtp8oU16 8122

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Ho, that's a bit dramatic.

Anonymous 8139

Though not really, when you think about it in the long view.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8145

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In the long view, everything dies

Anonymous 8146

And small things die much faster.

Especially when they are insular, have little positive relationship with anyone or anything outside themselves, have terrible reputations among the other places they would ever get new people from, and generally have an inbred population. (No, not inbred as in sexually, but in terms of the community. The population is not diverse enough to support self-sufficiency in the long term.)

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8156

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I do wonder, is ponychan reputation effectively as abysmal outside of ponychan?
In the end, I sort of figure a lot of effectual ponychan hate on /mlp/ is ironic and mlpchan has some people having a grudge, but not too terrible.

Anonymous 8157

… if you actually think the reputation towards Ponychan is "ironic" on /mlp/, you need to get outside Ponychan more.

Actually, that's advice for everyone on Ponychan. Take a look outside your bubble for awhile.

There's no 'wondering." It's fact. Even places outside /mlp/, like reddit, EqD, tumblr, have poor impressions of Ponychan.

Anonymous 8158

I mean, you guys tried to start a reddit serial (not a serial redditors created, but you tried to make one yourself and then get them to post in it) and it has 9 posts in the last 3 months. They don't care.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8160

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Not caring is a different thing than having a bad reputation.
On ponychan no one really cares about reddit either.

as far as /mlp/goes. they say Ponychan is a site for autistic hugbox/circle jerk tripfags that worship Hasbro and everyone who is negative about the show gets banned.
Can't really work with that.
Might as well say that /mlp/ is a site for pedophile horsefuckers that only care about ponies so they can jack off to it.

The only complaint I can reasonably get into concerning ponychan is that it is slow, especially compared to /mlp/. And slowness does beget slowness.

Anonymous 8161

what are we even talking about anymore?

you asked if ponychan's reputation was truly as bad as you've heard. clearly it is.
so… what was the point of asking?

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8162

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well, you can make a point and say that ponychan's bad reputation is earned and based on undeniable facts. Which means that ponychan is too stubborn tolisten and that's what's causing the problems.

Anonymous 8163

Well that would be my point, yes. One of them.

Artee!V1bM0d5Fdc 8164

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and that's why I'm interested in the comment.

But I don't think there's much to work with 'Ponychan is the autism centrum of the fandom'.

At any rate, this is mlpchan's /site/ and not /meta/.
I do think in this regard, I find it important for ponychan's health that mlpchan wants to cooperate with ponychan on some things yet.
If mlpchan wouldn't find some use in ponychan, there wouldn't be thoughts of a merger, there wouldn't be ideas of communal activities.
(heck even against /mlp/ for the spaghetti TF2 tourney, we had a great time)
It's a relationship I don't want to lose. and not on a basis because 2 of ponychan's mods did make a fuss on a meeting.


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A lot of ponychan's disdain comes from the rather locked down feel of the community.
I recently tried posting around /oat/ again there. Hardly anyone replied.
Add to that, the folk are a bit circlejerky, in that they mostly rant on about what they agree on. IE, "Hasbro sucks because Equestria Girls." "Yeah, totally. Spike's not an animal." "Alicorn Twilight wasn't even as bad as this" ect.
Gets to be rather stupid. At least /mlp/ can have someone defending, say, Alicorn Twilight as very good for the target demographic. My sister's favorite episode, for example. But on ponychan, you will likely be called a troll, ignored, or flat out attacked…

These are the reasons I think people hate ponychan. Also mod injustice, of which I could rant on about too, but don't feel like it. [the issue there, to tl;dr it, is that the mods have different standards and opinions, as well as different strictness and consequences as far as punishment.]

Anonymous 8204

Yeah, I know that feel. I actually used to anon post over there prior to the whole "Scruffy banning storm" because, while I love MLPChan's relaxed stance on moderation policy, honestly I felt that it was getting a little circlejerky, making it difficult to reside here. But seeing the aftermath of the /mlp/ diaspora and its heavy influence with the community on this site, well, this is exactly the place that I've always wanted, whereas the site is lightly divided into multiple topics, areas for the majority of tripfriends to reside while anons are free to hop on with them, without damaging the intended largely-anonymous community that came from /mlp/.

Though I don't feel that mod injustice is much of an issue anymore on ponychan, just something painfully exaggerated by the only community that would pay attention to them. It's the same sense similar to how /v/ has a hateboner with reddit, really.

Anonymous 8312

reddit is actually shit though

Anonymous 8375

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>But on ponychan, you will likely be called a troll, ignored, or flat out attacked…
It's like you've never been there.

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