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Block Anonymous 5845[Last 50 Posts]

Issues are mostly allowed to be worked out between the users, with moderator interaction coming in when necessary, if I understand.

That's not happening. I don't know why, but this is always how it's been, more or less, and from what I know, I don't see that trend changing anytime soon. And hey, when the moderators intervened with my legitimate issues, it was lazily dealt with, painting me and my stalker with a broad brush, and I had to yell at the admin for a little while to get taken even remotely seriously.

I don't like dealing with jerks, and the mods just won't. I'm not going to put in the effort to try and hassle everyone, all the way up to the top, to get issues of common sense dealt with without it being done lazily and without me being insulted (and apologized to later). This has happened multiple times now. I love you guys to death, but this is not one of your strong suits. Friends of mine and I have had many conversations with the administrator about this topic, and the issue keeps occurring.

So can someone please add a blocking feature to the website?

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5846

Do you mean, hiding someone' posts?

Anonymous 5847

>>5846

Blocking yourself from seeing a person's posts. Filtering by name, trip, or whatever you'd like. Like ponychan X does.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5848

>>5847
I'll see what I can do :)

Anonymous 5849

>>5848

Thank you very much.

Anonymous 5850

>>5848

How long do you think it will take?

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5851

>>5850
not till at the very least tomorrow.

!Pipes is a little squidg 5853

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Well thats me screwed then

Anonthony!1NZ....... 5857

>>5853
>filtering Pipes
>ever

BatBane 5859

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>>5853
You're like Michael Bay, you're not making anything good but still everyone will go to see your shit.

Anonymous 5860

>>5851

Cool. ty

!Pipes is a little squidg 5863

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Aww shucks you gaiz
>le blush

Anonymous 5865

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>filtering other users
Fucking really?

Anonymous 5866

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>>5865
How else would people hide away those who irk them?
But yes, I don't see why I should have to in the first place.

Anonymous 5867

>>5865

Yes. There's a problem with moderation going around, and if the mods wanna say, "Hey, people can do it themselves!" they have to give us the tools to. In situations where a person should be banned, but is not, it may be appropriate for a user to block another.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5868

>>5867
if mods aren't banning when they should be, either you don't have the same idea as to what the rules of the site permit, or, you need to provide evidence that the person you want banned has actually broken the rules.
Outside of that, ignoring is always an option underused, as well as trying to set aside your differences.
However, I am still working on the blocking function, however, I am really not that amazing of a coder, so it will take time, I am sorry.

Anonymous 5869

>>5868

I have. Like I said, I have talk to the administrator a few times about this, as well as a few friends. A problem was acknowledged, but thus far, it hasn't been addressed.

The evidence is always there. People get banned anyway…hours after it would have been useful to prevent drama. People are dicks. A couple actually go out of their way to try and set me off, make me feel bad/hurt for their own amusement, and this was acknowledged as well…and pretty much ignored. There was a short, couple minute ban, and things went on as normal.

People aren't doing their jobs, and if that's the way things are going to go, I want the tools to be able to do a suitable job of moderating what people I can and cannot see.

Anonymous 5870

I stress, this is not one situation, but a combination of many situations that allow me to see the overall attitude towards moderation in these instances: there isn't any, really, or at least, not much.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5871

>>5870
I can't say I know the exact circumstances, but I can say with complete assurance that the mods wouldn't do nothing just because.
They have their reasons for not banning this person, whether it be because they aren't technically breaking the rules, or that I'm simply not aware of the whole story.
I suggest retrying to contact Anonthony. perhaps take a break from the site for a day or too and let yourself cool off from whatever this person is doing that upsets you so?

Anonymous 5872

Just going to say ahead of time sorry for my spelling. I'd like to say filters is a alright idea. I is useful. However, make sure to add to filtering options as well. Because believe trolls will find anyway to pester you.

I'd also like to say: Mods do pretty well at their jobs. It's just the fact that pests will do anything they can in their power to evade and continue to harass.

Anonymous 5873

>>5871

I don't want to talk about information that I am privy too other are not, other than to say that it was acknowledged something should have been done in multiple instances, but was not, and even if the mods would have banned them, they didn't know something was wrong because of something that was wrong on their part. I know Anonthony pretty well. I talk to him most everyday, and that does not help me much. Things are still dealt with the same way.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5874

>>5873
I'm not saying having an in with a mod or admin does anything; by that logic, I shouldn't be permabanned from ponychan. I'm saying, they have their reasons. Though I'll admit, it's extremely shocking that they admit that they should have done something but didn't.
I suppose I'll just have to sate my curiosity for now.

Anonymous 5875

>>5874

No, and I avoid using my friendship for evil. I won't say more than how the mods reacted made me think that really, this isn't much of a problem for them and that the filter will be the only way to get any decent "justice" around here. It's a shame, but that's life.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 5876

>>5875
right. well. I'm working on it.

Anonymous 5877

>>5876

And I do very much appreciate it, as well as your advice. Truly. I've been ignoring, taking breaks, talking to mods, talking to the admin…

I've done everything by the books up to this point because I believed that things could and would be resolved, but that's changed. Now I more or less know that they won't, and so I really need your help.

Thank you.

Anonymous 5878

People are going to use this to filter out all anons. It's a terrible idea.

Anonymous 5879

>>5878
As an anon, do the handful of people so autismal that they would filter anons mean so much to you that this is a problem for you?

!Pipes is a little squidg 5883

if i was a mod this kind of thread wouldnt be needed. Because id just ban all of you ;D

love and tolerate indeed

Anonymous 5884

>>5878

The people who would filter you probably wouldn't take you seriously anyway, you know what I mean?

Anonymous 5890

>>5883

Hahahaha. You're first. >=3

5902

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I love how you're painting the entire team as incompetent unnecessarily.

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5903

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I don't know about other mods, but I only step in if things are getting extreme and it is clearly something that is disrupting the site, like an argument spilling over into multiple other threads, or it's a case of a massive amount of people ganging up on one person that has done nothing wrong.

Generally, personal conflicts are not something that is sought after to moderate, because that kind of thing weighs down on discussion at large. It's none of my business if User A hates User B and they get into fights here and there, because not only are having arguments not against the rules, it's not like me telling them to play nice is going to make them like each other. Furthermore, in my experience, going after someone for those types of situations even the slightest bit too early, especially in things like serial threads, leads to nothing but a bunch of people shouting at me and telling me that I'm wrong, a terrible mod, etc (then again, going in serial threads in general does that for some reason when it comes to me.)

I'm not going to profess to know about your situation. You're anon, after all, and I've had no relation to what you're talking about, but I just thought I would share a general overview of why you aren't going to see a lot of moderation for interpersonal issues. They are generally far too complicated to simply wade into unless it becomes an extreme situation, and the effect it has on weighing down on communication just isn't particularly worth constantly pushing people into a single file line.

I will say, however, that if someone is actually stalking you, then you should probably call the police.

Anonymous 5906

>>5903
>>5903

And this is why the system is broken. There are so many other websites that have rules between interpersonal communications that work fine. Many forums and some imageboards are able to do it. It is the norm. But you guys say that not only that we can handle it ourselves, but that we have to because you can't do it without a bunch of people yelling at you.

Bull-fucking-shit, and you know it. I can point a million websites out to you that have good moderation without this problem, and chances are, you know them! You wonder why this website has the reputation it does? Why people think it's an unpleasant place when you go to other ponysites? It's not because you broke off from ponychan, but that you refuse to moderate, and people leave when they figure that out. You're either lazy or incompetent.

BUT IT'S SO HAAAAARD.

You are a moderator. Do your job or find someone who can.

>>5902

Anonymous 5907

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>>5906
>You wonder why this website has the reputation it does? Why people think it's an unpleasant place when you go to other ponysites?
But this site has no such reputation. The only reputation is has is as a chill community with a board that /mlp/ will migrate to if /mlp/ ever gets deleted.

Anonymous 5908

I will make one comment, offhand…

>and if the mods wanna say, "Hey, people can do it themselves!" they have to give us the tools to

They have all the tools necessary to ignore posts - just ignoring them. But beyond that, what's being asked for is, as user Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash has indicated, is being worked on. So that's good, any kind of user created work for the site is nice. The very reasons people find things, as >>5907 says, chill and hands-off in terms of user freedom, is that staff doesn't interfere in every interpersonal conflict that arises, or meddle in users arguments when we are all adults who shouldn't freak out at the drop of a hat when someone isn't all smiles and hugs for us, especially if we can't just say 'eh' and ignore them if they don't.

But still, another user says they are working on what you're asking for already OP, so that'll help you out.

Anonymous 5909

>>5908

I'm not saying they need to interfere in every personal conflict. I'm saying that they don't do enough, this has been a subject brought up to the administration multiple times, where it was agreed to be a problem.

And then nothing was done.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5910

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>>5909
What do you feel makes a personal conflict worth mod attention?

Anonymous 5911

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>>5909
>this has been a subject brought up to the administration multiple times, where it was agreed to be a problem.
When the fuck was this?

Anonymous 5912

>>5911
It was privately, I imagine.

Anonymous 5913

>>5910

I think a personal conflict is worth mod attention when it becomes very heated, personal, mean and almost extreme.

There's a very big space inbetween people being rude and snippy and people disrupting a site, and it's not hard to figure out what to put a stop to.

But YET, when someone came over to try and deal with the person who was e-stalking me, disrupting multiple threads, harassing me, etc., they pretty much equated us both, said to take it off site and that it was too much effort to read the thread to find out what was going on. I went to the admin who apologized and took care of it.

You might want to talk to your administrator more when he gets back about it.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5914

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>>5913
What do you expect out of a mod when a conflict gets to be very heated, personal, mean, and almost extreme?

I'm sorry about the e-stalker. Did simply ignoring them not help?

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5915

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>>5906

>Reputation


What reputation?

Either way, I don't think you understood what I was trying to tell you. I wasn't complaining that moderation is "SOOOOO HARD," I'm trying to tell you that it's a little bit more complicated than you've made it out to be. It's not as simple as "stroll in and ban people for getting into an intense argument." Not only is that totally unfeasible in regards to building a well-running community, it's just not the right answer most of the time.

I had a lot more I was originally going to type out in this post, but I don't feel like it would be any more conductive than what I've already said; interpersonal arguments are complicated, and they usually aren't worth stepping into and trying to handle because in the end, both parties are typically at fault in some way or another and someone is going to (rightfully) feel that they were wronged. The exception of course is when arguments are messing up the site in and of itself, and situations like that have been handled multiple times in the past. Two times, I personally took care of it on /oat/. In some instances I've seen fellow mods enter threads and at least make an effort to getting people to back off from each other without being too heavy-handed.

Anonymous 5916

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>>5913
I don't know your situation, but when Mike was being harassed by another user, that user would be banned, and eventually was permabanned.

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5917

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>>5916

That's indeed another example of when moderator intervention becomes needed; a situation that could have potentially deadly consequences.

Anonymous 5918

>>5914

No. They insisted on following me around to multiple threads, a serial one included, to another SITE to come over and try and do there thing to disrupt it by fucking with me. At that point, when they go through that much effort to disrupt things for multiple people on my account, ignoring things doesn't work. At that point, it's your job.

>>5914

I expect you to do what other mods do in other places do when it gets out of hand. It seems to work well enough for them.

>>5915

>It's not as simple as "stroll in and ban people for getting into an intense argument.


Which is exactly what I argued. You ignore my larger point. Many social sites have moderation in the way I've described. Most of them do. They don't just ignore them because, "Hey, sometimes multiple people are at fault and not everyone is going to be happy with the result".

Gee, it seems to work when everyone else does it.

>>5916


It's not what happened in my case, hense why I needed to go up top to get it taken care of.

Anonymous 5919

>>5918
In regards to the first paragraph, didn't exactly that happen, and at the point where intervention was warranted, that person was banned?

In regards to the second, the disaffected and dissatisfied communities in all of those other sites would roundly disagree with you that it 'works well enough for them', since no site, anywhere, ever, is any better (seriously.)

I realize you've been on the receiving end of an issue on a few occasions, but in at least one exactly the appropriate end occurred, and in the second, more recent, we don't even know what the deal is or if it isn't just someone upset or butthurt about having an argument. Not saying that's the case, but no one else really knows.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5920

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>>5918
There's only so much we can even do at that point, though. If they were going through that much trouble then even permabanning them here wouldn't do much and would still be as equally effective as ignoring all their posts.
At that point, I do agree they should have probably gotten some kind of ban for harassment, though.

You keep talking about what other mods do in other places but I haven't seen you once mention a specific place or their actual procedures for dealing with those kinds of things. I'm inclined to agree with Marisa that simply walking in and banning someone would only serve to make things worse because inevitable one or more people would feel wronged by it, unless we treated both sides in equal fault, but you were just complaining that that happened to you so I guess that's not what you want?

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5921

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>>5918

Again, it's not always that simple. Every community is unique; be it due to who they are, what they talk about, or where they come from. MLPChan happens to be a sort of perfect storm of these things with a mixture of an enormous amount of different types of people crammed together to discuss the drama-laden subject of ponies, haling from problematic areas like 4chan and ponychan, etc. I'm not arrogant enough to say we're some sort of ultimate special snowflake, but I think ours and many other communities are unique enough to earn their own special rules.

I'd like to make it clear that I'm not reacting to your situation. I had no part in it, and I can't say really anything about it. I simply don't agree with your assessment that we are handling behavioral rules improperly on a universal scale. A lot of people function comfortable under them, and I think our openness to accept all different types of people without imposing too much makes us a stronger community as a whole. And if the ball was dropped in your situation, I apologize, but I just wanted to assure both you and the readers of this thread that we do try to intervene when the situation gets too extreme. People might not always relish the way we do it, and we might not always take a side that one party or the other demands we take in a dispute, but we do intervene and try to settle things if they get too overblown.

Anonymous 5926

>>5919

Do you know what I had to do to get that done? I went through all the right channels, ignored him when I could, only gave up when he couldn't be, and then reported, only to have the mod fail on me hard. Then I had to talk to the admin who was not in a good mood until he did something. That should never have to happen.

>In regards to the second, the disaffected and dissatisfied communities in all of those other sites would roundly disagree with you that it 'works well enough for them', since no site, anywhere, ever, is any better (seriously.)


Really? No site on the internet is any better in terms of moderation? Please, let's not even begin to go there. That's arrogant and dishonest.

>

I realize you've been on the receiving end of an issue on a few occasions, but in at least one exactly the appropriate end occurred, and in the second, more recent, we don't even know what the deal is or if it isn't just someone upset or butthurt about having an argument. Not saying that's the case, but no one else really knows.

In at least one issue, I had to go above and beyond for what was supposed to happen to happen, and for the most recent one, what was supposed to happen didn't happen. In other instances regarding me and my friends, they did the same things I did and practically nothing happened except in ONE instance that I know of. This is disgraceful.

>>5920

Wouldn't you know it, banning them for about a minute got them to stop? It's like…moderating works every now and again! The environment picked up, no one had to deal with that asshole trying to be an asshole anymore, and it took…five seconds.

>ou keep talking about what other mods do in other places but I haven't seen you once mention a specific place or their actual procedures for dealing with those kinds of things.


You don't know of ANY other internet community? Like I said, just about every single one has a policy that deals with interpersonal communication.

>I'm inclined to agree with Marisa that simply walking in and banning someone would only serve to make things worse


Which is exactly what I argued, right? No. It's not.

>>5921

Oh really? In my experience, that's bullshit. Multiple people I know have had this problem. I've had it multiple times. It was the extreme minority that went well, and only because either the administrator was involved or eventually he GOT involved through the actions of other people. And hey, in the most recent case, even if they would have done something, they wouldn't have known something was wrong because they weren't doing their jobs.

Anonymous 5928

>>5926
Doesn't sound like what you're after is 'better' universally for everyone, since we've already brought up why it's considered so much more chill and/or balanced than others for most people. It can't please everyone, and it seems like a filter will help you deal with the fact that for some reason you end up on the receiving end of a few individuals who upset you to the point of what you say is at or near rule-breaking. Though frankly, I don't know of anyone else, completely innocent, who ends up attracting that much negative attention. I mean there's the likes of Black Mage, but he's not exactly innocent.

Anonymous 5929

>>5928

Yes, it is. It should be chill and balanced. I like that. It's why I came here. But balance requires there to be more than just letting everything go by.

>Though frankly, I don't know of anyone else, completely innocent, who ends up attracting that much negative attention.


Hey, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But you don't know that. I've gotten negative attention because I don't agree with people about things. Not for the way I've disagreed, but because I hold an opinion. About the show, no less. And no, it's not twicorn. People get negative attention sometimes for stupid shit.

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5930

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>>5926

Again, I'm sorry if you've had a bad experience. It's not a universal thing. However,
it doesn't seem like I can convince you in that case, if you're simply going to denounce what I'm saying as "bullshit." I would estimate that would be both because I cannot give you proof (and how could I be expected to, if no such thing is going on at the moment) and you weren't there to see it (but how could you be expected to be everywhere on the site when people are talking care of business?) when it comes down to it. As such, I'll go ahead and take my leave of the thread. I hope you are better off when Arctic completes his ignore function.

Anonymous 5931

>>5929
>People get negative attention sometimes for stupid shit.
Then it really sounds like a matter of ignoring it when the occasional jerkoff gives you shit over something so insignificant that shouldn't ruin your jimmies.

>Hey, that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But you don't know that

We don't really know anything, because we don't know everything about you, nor do we know an objective account of any of the situations you've brought up, just your side of the story and assertion that someone agreed some more could be done. We don't even know if it, whatever it is, will still be an issue in the future. And we do know, that your request for a filter is being looked at.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5932

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>>5926
A one minute ban stopped someone who was so adamant about harassing you up until that point?
I'll keep that in mind, then.

All the other internet communities I've been on have taken the policy of "Deal with it yourself" as far as personal issues and conflicts go.

Anonymous 5934

>>5930

It's not one bad experience. It's multiple bad experiences. MULTIPLE people. Multiple trips directly through the top. Not usually involving me, and admittingly, this is over a period of a few months, but when shit needs to be taken care of, it just isn't.

>>5931

That's fair enough. The people who need to know will know, because they know the admin, who will confirm what I'm saying when he gets back. He bitched at them the most recent time when the thing that I call out that mod saying, "Hey, it may not have worked out for you, but we're on it" bullshit on happened.

>>5932

Yes. Because he said if he kept his shit up, it wouldn't be just a one minute ban.

>All the other internet communities I've been on have taken the policy of "Deal with it yourself" as far as personal issues and conflicts go.


Really? I don't think that's accurate. I'd get the sets of rules for those places and post them, or at least post the names. I'd like to know the exceptions to the rule.

Anonymous 5935

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>>5934
>multiple people
Who?

!!Derpy ## Mod 5936

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>>5934
It's probably just a difference in the other communities we're part of or at least know of.
For me that would be like Youtube or 4chan where there are obviously stupid fights going on in all the time.

Anonymous 5937

>>5935

I'm not anonymous to most everyone to rat out my friends. The people who need to know that will find out, you know?

*shrugs*
>>5936

And those places are regarded as pleasant places to hang out and other online communities structure their rules after them.

Anonymous 5938

>>5937
Not to me, and not to a lot of people, since I don't know of hardly any "good" "online communities", as it's… the internet. And I've been dicking around a lot of the internet for a decade and a half. But hey, you might be more sensitive than most.

Anonymous 5939

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>>5937
Well it would help to know who, because otherwise you're just making baseless claims.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5940

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>>5937
Youtube and 4chan are regarded as awful and unpleasant places by many people…

Anonymous 5941

>>5939

It's not baseless to the people.who need to know, because they already will know what I'm talking about. To the others…I don't air others' dirty laundry in public. Not in good taste.

>>5940

Hense the sarcasm.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5942

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>>5941
I can't hear the tone of your voice through your text, silly
What places are you thinking of that have policies like you claim?

Anonymous 5943

>>5942

I'm saying that your examples of moderation that you hold to be good are two of the places most infamous for how unwelcoming and unpleasant they are.

You go to any forum, and they'll have rules that cover it if they're worth their salt.

!!Derpy ## Mod 5945

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>>5943
My examples are two of the most mainstream communities on the internet.
I don't think an forum I've ever been to has had any particular rules against personal fights, although I don't know if an actual forum is a good comparison because traditional style forum threads are disrupted much more easily due to their much more organized structure.

Anonymous 5946

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>>5943
>your examples of moderation that you hold to be good are two of the places most infamous for how unwelcoming and unpleasant they are.
>>5937
>And those places are regarded as pleasant places to hang out and other online communities structure their rules after them.

Anonymous 5947

>>5945

Youtube comments and 4chan? You're really stretching here. You're talking about two communities which have been called cesspits for the shitty "communities," how unpleasant they are. I don't think it's at all fair to call those the norm or even sizable styles of moderation, because most people think they're generally unpleasant.

>>5946

Sarcasm, how does it work?

Anonymous 5948

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>>5946
Oh wait, sarcasm. Nevermind.

Anonymous 5949

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>>5947
So what is a good online community?

Anonymous 5950

>>5949

One with rules about interpersonal moderation that don't draw inspiration from the cesspits of the internet, for starters…

Anonymous 5951

>>5950
That's pretty much a blatant evasion of his question. Just saying.

Anonymous 5952

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>>5950
I mean a specific online community.

Anonymous 5953

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I'm waiting.

Anonymous 5954

>>5951

It's a hard question, and one I don't think is particularly relevant here in full. What I see as a good community is one that can engage in discussion and occasional heated debate while everyone still being cool with each other at the end of the day.

However.

In this case, I say good rules to govern interpersonal communications are those that allow for a lot of leeway, but actually take part in…moderation. Where people don't decide, "Hey, it's not worth the effort, so if it's not messing with the site, we just aren't even going to bother".

It's pretty much, "we're not going to get involved until we absolutely can't ignore it anymore," which is a shitty policy to take and one that's more in line with youtube and 4chan than the more community oriented style you want to create here.

I'm talking about…open any forum you like. They have some rules on interpersonal communication. Go the the Escapist, or (if it's still around, even) Nintendoland, or someplace like that. That's a place with good rules.

Anonymous 5955

>>5954

And least on that subject.

Anonymous 5956

>>5954
It's actually entirely relevant, since it was a topic of the conversation, and when some examples came up you basically said "no, those are horrible, the places I'm talking about are awesome and do things in the way I want" and when people asked you what they were (perhaps, to take lessons from) you responded by first evading the question, and now sweeping it away as not relevant. You shouldn't do this, as it sounds like you just blew smoke out of your ass to bolster your argument and now can't back it up. I'm just saying.

And I don't know if anyone has ever heard of the Escapist forums (they have a forum?), and I'd never heard of Nintendoland (also just saying.)

And you're also pretty egregiously twisting what people have said with the whole ""Hey, it's not worth the effort, so if it's not messing with the site, we just aren't even going to bother"" paraphrase. It was expressly "it's usually more complicated than people realize and we do things X way for Y reason." Granted, that hasn't been suiting you. Understandable. Personal taste and opinion and preference. But don't ruin your argument and your points with these fallacious reasonings and reactionary mannerisms. Okay?

Anonymous 5957

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>>5954
>comparing a chan to a forum
They are two entirely different things. Forums tend to be about keeping everything civil, and destroying and chance of controversy or debate. Chans are more about user freedom. Here I can call you a flaming faggot. On the Escapist, I would get banned for that. Is that what you want?

Anonymous 5958

>>5956

No, I'm saying that most communities run themselves with some sort of more involved effort toward interpersonal moderation, not that those places are more awesome. I'm just naming a few off the top of my head. Don't call me out for fallacious reasoning and reactionary mannerisms without checking yourself.

If you're going to say, "Well, not everyone does that! Case in point, 4chan and youtube comments!"

You have to realize that those are some of the most vitriolic and unpleasant communities to be in and using them to support this type of site which, to my knowledge, isn't trying to be like that, doesn't help if you're labeling exceptions.

I'm not twisting anything. I'm saying that this is what they're saying.

"hey usually aren't worth stepping into and trying to handle because in the end, both parties are typically at fault in some way or another and someone is going to (rightfully) feel that they were wronged. "

>>5957

Ummm, you have a very twisted idea of what that means. They aren't all about civility and destroying any chance of controversy or debate. Yes, chans typically are more free because they follow in the footsteps of more vitriolic and more unfriendly places. But this is an MLP imageboard that's supposed to be community oriented and not a shithole.

>Here I can call you a flaming faggot. On the Escapist, I would get banned for that. Is that what you want?


Jesus, say that there should be a few rules on how interpersonal communications should be moderated in some circumstances and you go all extreme on me. -_-

No, it's not what I want, and I never implied such.

Anonymous 5959

And would you look at that?

>Threats and flaming are not allowed.


Disruptive behaviors that prevent others from engaging in a thread are prohibited.
Stalking, harrassment, or posting of others personal information are prohibited.

Anonymous 5960

>>5958
>I'm saying that this is what they're saying.
You're saying what you think they're saying.

>>5959
Threats and flaming. Yeah. Seems logical. I've yet to see anyone ever be threatened and the rare instance of actual, malicious flaming has been met with bans, even though this place rarely gives out bans.

But… I don't really have this impassioned interest in the topic you seem to, so I'll let you have at it.

Anonymous 5961

>>5960

No, that was a quote.

If you were me, and if you had the same discussions with the admin I had, and you knew the same things that I do, then you might feel the same way when people try and come in here and say that I'm wrong. I know I'm not wrong, and I didn't really come in here to have an argument about it because instead of doing that AGAIN and putting more stress on the guy who runs it because the mods just won't do their jobs, I'm going to do something myself.

Anonymous 5962

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>>5958
>and not a shithole
>calling 4chan a shithole
You do realize that most of the people here have, or currently do go on 4chan regularly, right?

Anonymous 5963

>>5962

Yeah. Selfproclaimed shithole of the internet. That people regularly look down on for having a hostile community. Would you like to dispute that?

Anonymous 5964

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>>5963
Oh I agree with you, but I love that shithole. And so do many members of this community, including Anonthony.

Anonymous 5965

>>5964

Yeah. I wasn't trying to bash it in any other level than that I don't think we want to BE that.

Anonymous 5966

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>>5965
This community couldn't be 4chan if it tried. Too many tripfags, too much hugboxing. We're not anything remotely close to 4chan's level, and we never will be.

Anonymous 5967

>>5966

Yes. Which is why saying, "NO, NOT ALL COMMUNITIES GOVERN THEMSELVES LIKE THAT. 4CHAN DOES IT DIFFERENT"

When you're not trying to BE like 4chan is very problematic for your case.

Anonymous 5968

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>>5967
We might not be 4chan, but we have a lot of things inspired by it. This site is meant to be a sort of middle ground between Ponychan's endless hugbox, and 4chan's internet hate machine.

Anonymous 5969

>>5968

That's right.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 5970

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>>5967
>you are not trying to be 4chan, therefore you cannot adopt any of it's practices.

Anonymous 5971

>>5970

If you're not trying to have that same environment, adopting the rules/policies that lead to that environment is something that you shouldn't do, yes.

Read what I'm actually saying. -_-

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 5972

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>>5971
The existence of /mlp/ filters the most extreme users, the nature of the fanbase encourages different behavour and the simple fact that the majority of users use names leads to a very different environment all on it's own.

We do not need to worry about becoming like 4chan

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 5973

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The current rules as written governing interpersonal conflicts are:

Threats and flaming are not allowed.

Disruptive behaviors that prevent others from engaging in a thread are prohibited.
Stalking, harrassment, or posting of others personal information are prohibited.


Are you taking issue with the rules as written, or with their enforcement?

TPWPFluttershy 5974

>>5973
>when the moderators intervened with my legitimate issues, it was lazily dealt with, painting me and my stalker with a broad brush, and I had to yell at the admin for a little while to get taken even remotely seriously.
Looks like the latter. Unless it's both.

Anonymous 5976

>>5972

>nature of the fanbase


If you're pulling that love and tolerance BS, please just…stop.

>>5973

Most certainly moderation.

Anonymous 5977

>>5976
>If you're pulling that love and tolerance BS, please just…stop.
Seems like you could use a bit, though. And a lesson in how most people who got into ponies dealt with (and deal with) things they don't like, people that bother them, etc. But that's a discussion for another time.

I think he means that the general nature of the people who frequent this website (and all likely future users) aren't anywhere close to the kinds of people who frequent 4chan - even though there is overlap. People don't want to behave like the people of 4chan often do, save in the cases of the positive aspects of 4chan (if you pull that "there's nothing good about it"/ BS, please just… stop), positive things like it's occasional gems of humor and spontaneity.

Anonymous 5978

>>5977

Mmm. I know there's a lot of good about 4chan. But I do know that if you're going to talking about a community oriented MLP website, perhaps it's not the best model to emulate as far as interpersonal communications.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say, "Hey, lots of us people go there and like that place!" and then, "Hey, the people that go there don't act like the people who go there!"

People are people. And sometimes people are little shits. Moderators exist to…moderate. -_-

Anonymous 5979

>>5978
>You can't have it both ways. You can't say, "Hey, lots of us people go there and like that place!" and then, "Hey, the people that go there don't act like the people who go there!"

At this point I'm not really entirely sure what point is being made or why. People like that place for certain reasons, and they dislike it for other reasons, because it has good and bad properties. Attempts are made here to maximize the possibility of the former and minimize the possibility of the latter. You're making this a lot more complicated when the whole jist is "I had a few experiences of the latter so it should be pulled back a bit and also I would like a filter." Especially since the filter seems to be something someone is working on already.

Anonymous 5980

>>5979

I was content to leave it at that until people came here and tried to say, "Hey, this is cool and all, but you're painting the team as incompetent and blah blah blah here we are to defend ourselves."

If you come over here and try and say shit I know is wrong, I'm going to say so.

>>5979

Yes. But I think you miss the contradiction. You can't say that many people here frequent a website while demonizing the type of people who frequent the website and saying we're not like them. It's a contradiction.

Anonymous 5981

>>5980
But it's only wrong to you. It's your opinion, yeah, which you're entitled to, and everyone else is entitled to their's, and arguing back and forth over your opinions just bogged this down into a pointless subjectivity over preferences and opinions.

And no, it's not a contradiction. Because people are human beings, complicated, nuanced human beings, and not "these people also frequent ____ site, so they are ____ people." It's you who seems to have a bias, presuming a lot about other people while insisting everyone accept what you're saying and not speak their own opinions when you specifically say "If you come over here and try and say shit I know is wrong, I'm going to say so." They have the same right. Anyways, I'm done with this for now, I'll leave Legendary to work on the project.

Anonymous 5982

>>5981

No. People here stated "facts," which I knew were wrong. Yeah, along with subjective shit, but shit BASED on those facts, which were wrong. "I know human beings are complicated. But the way it was phrased DOES make it a contradictions. I'm not insisting everyone accept anything or not speak their opinions. You seem to be buttmad, bro.

Anonymous 5983

>>5982
>You seem to be buttmad, bro.
I'm having a conversation with you. Do you really think resorting to that kind of 12-year-old childishness is making you sound more logical and planted in fact? Quite the opposite. You sound severely biased and reacting on emotion if at the first sign of unmovable opposition you lash out with 'lol u mad bro, u mad!?" If I had your name, I would probably filter you, not because you deserve punishment for this, and it certainly doesn't cross any rules, but simply because you sound like a reactive, hyper-sensitive child who can't ignore things he doesn't like and when challenged (without any insult or mean-spiritedness from the opposition) immediately spouts a tired meme meant to project.

Anonymous 5984

>>5983

Mm. I don't particularly care, because if you're the kind of person who spouts untruths about other people, I don't care if I use some stupid meme, because I don't WAN'T to have a conversation with you.

Anonymous 5985

>>5984
If you would please direct me to the "untruths" I "spouted" about "other people" that would be fantastic.

>inb4 you can't

>inb4 you excuse yourself by saying you don't have to

>because I don't WAN'T to have a conversation with you.

>I want to be able to spout my subjective opinions but not respond when other people give theirs, then call my opinions facts and call theirs untruths and get mad and dismissive when they call me on it

Now I seem to understand why you find yourself in conflict with others, and then demand moderators intervene for you when, of course, the argument is someone else's fault.

Anonymous 5986

>reacting on emotion if at the first sign of unmovable opposition you lash out with 'lol u mad bro, u mad!?"

>you sound like a reactive, hyper-sensitive child who can't ignore things he doesn't like and when challenged (without any insult or mean-spiritedness from the opposition) immediately spouts a tired meme meant to project.


>>5985

No, I don't have to, but here you go. Now it would be excellent if you would left now that you got what you wanted.

Anonymous 5987

>>5986
>oh no, someone gave their honest opinion about me based on behavior they have observed!
>better call them mad and claim they're spouting untruths because opinions can be untruths

I am also for a filter now.

You need to do a little growing up.

Anonymous 5988

>>5987

>spout bullshit

>call people mad and childish, proving my own childish and hypocrisy

Yes, *I* am the one who needs to grow up.

Anonymous 5989

>>5988
>demand the right to speak my opinions
>call all other opinions "bullshit"
>call someone mad before anyone else does
>then justify it ex-post-facto because they countered by implying I must be mad, even though I said it first
We can do this all day, of course, but it would probably escalate to a point where you'd demand I be banned for stalking you or something.

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5990

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So, yeah, this thread is no longer any sort of site discussion and has degenerated into people going back and forth at each other. Unless it starts moving away from that, I'm going to lock it. Friendly warning.

My better judgement tells me I should probably lock it anyway until Arctic finishes his thing, but I'll hold off on that in hopes that something positive might be created from this.

Anonymous 5991

>>5989

Mhmm. Classy.

>>5990

Ironic. NOW you want to moderate interpersonal conflict.

Anonymous 5992

>>5991
>Ironic. NOW you want to moderate interpersonal conflict.
So… you're mad they're starting to do what you're insisting? So there's just no pleasing you at all, I guess. Good to know.
>Mhmm. Classy.
>start a greentext lolfight
>call "classy" when someone greentexts back at you
Filter pls.

Anonymous 5993

>>5992


1/10

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5994

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>>5991

I would say that it's rather ironic that now you -don't- want me to, in addition to a few other things I've seen displayed since leaving this topic, but I'm not going to be pulled into this and aid in the downfall of this thread.

Keep discussion productive and civil on /site/, please. Thank you.

Anonymous 5995

>>5993
>le meme rating face

>>5994
Lock pls.

Anonymous 5996

>>5994

Not saying I don't want you to, just funny that now you're trying to after taking the position you did earlier.

K.

>>5995

Or you could just leave.

Marisa the Ordinary !LWitchfcEo 5997

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>>5995

If you keep it up I'm going to have to, so kindly knock it off, thanks. You're not helping the situation, especially in the long-awaited time of peacefulness /site/ has been in need of for a long time.

Instead of moving backwards, let's move forwards. I would rather like to hear about any progress that's been made if Arctic stops by.

Anonymous 5998

>>5997

Fair nuff.

6000

To be perfectly honest dude, you just sound more and more like an entitled little shit.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still working on the filter, and I do sympathize with your problems, but my god. tone it down.

Anonymous 6001

>>6000

You are welcome to call me a little shit, jerkoff. <3

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6002

>>6001
I don't even know how to respond to that.
Just, have a good one.

Anonymous 6003

>>6002

You too. Honestly.

Anonymous 6004

>>6002

Also, if you took offense, I'm sorry. That was a joke.

DesertPoni !GummyfZBao 6018

i have the filter script

u jelly?

Anonymous 6019

>>6018

Kinda. Why?

DesertPoni !GummyfZBao 6020

>>6019
i
dont rly has it

Anonymous 6021

Oh,

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 6025

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Oh hey, it's the issues we've been having.

Thony and the mod team, why do you not do your jobs? You're just lazy when it comes to conflict, and clearly it's not only us who's ballsy enough to speak up about it.

Anonymous 6034

>>6025
By "we" I take it you mean /pony/…
I think you're simply realizing that what MLPchan is supposed to be is not what you want. What you're asking for is for MLPchan to start acting more like what Ponychan is supposed to be. If both sites were operating as they purport to, you'd be over there in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately all I see is favoritism, persecution, and general incompetence on both sites, so it's not like I can truly say you'd be better off on Ponychan…but don't act like MLPchan is actually supposed to moderate the way you want to. They'd be completely abandoning their mission statement if they did.

Anonymous 6035

>>6034

That's funny, I didn't know that you owned the site/talked at length with the admin to figure this out, because what you are saying is 100% wrong.

Anonymous 6036

>>6035
Oh? Am I wrong that Ponychan and MLPchan are supposed to be different? Am I wrong that, of the two, Ponychan is supposed to be the more strict? And has teh_Foxx0rz not expressed a desire for MLPchan to start being more strict than it has been?

I took that information and concluded that teh_Foxx0rz might prefer Ponychan in its ideal state over MLPchan in it's ideal state. Is this not a reasonable conclusion?

I then added that it is my own opinion that both sites are failures, but that's an opinion, so don't bother telling me it's wrong. So, ignoring the opinion part, do you still have a problem with my assessment?

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 6037

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>>6034
>>6036

Um, the alternative to lazy moderation isn't only Ponychan moderation. And in fact, Ponychan moderation is just as lazy as here, only it's "if in doubt ban" rather than "if in doubt leave alone".

What both sites fail to do, and what this very thread is about but in the small segments I've read and at the end here no one seems to have understood yet, is actually mediating conflicts. Step in to relay both sides' arguments to better facilitate the resolution of the conflict, things along those lines. I've only ever seen seen mods, on both chans, when asked to step in, go "why should I have to get involved in your petty arguments? Go take it off site and sort it out yourselves and stop shitting this thread up". There's a difference between removing conflict and…dealing with it. You can sweep it under the rug and make people feel they have to deal with their shit themselves, or you can actually get involved to help resolve it and foster a more cooperative…*community* atmosphere to the site.

And that "community" atmosphere was exactly what Thony wanted. Interaction…integration with the community. Sure many of them are active posters on many boards (except /pony/ :/), but there's being active and then there's working with. In conflict as well as play…

However, in the many arguments I've been in with the mods here, they've only ever excused their laziness…
"We can't know what's going on! We don't wanna get involved and mess things up! I don't see why I should have to deal with other people's shit!"

Makes me wonder why they're mods, personally.

Well, you'll probably try and convince me that the style of moderating I'm trying to put forth is wrong, however…

Anonymous 6038

>>6037
>Well, you'll probably try and convince me that the style of moderating I'm trying to put forth is wrong, however…
Not at all. I think it would be very nice. I just don't think it's actually what Thony intended.

Anonymous 6039

>>6038

It is what he intended. Been through this song and dance more than a few times. He stated as much in PAD, at one point.

Anonthony!1NZ....... 6041

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>>6037
>>6039
What is intended, and what is pursued, are active, engaged staff who intervene as appropriate in as timely a fashion as is feasible when (and preferably before) issues and argument get out of hand.

That doesn't always happen. And that's sometimes going to be the case. When examples arise we take them as lessons and try to improve. By and large 9 out of 10 times everyone is hunky dory and satisfied with not only the intent, execution and 'mission statement' but with the general environment that style creates.

I've been through this with the OP and we continue to. I don't hold anyone entirely blameless here. What's being described though, isn't laziness, if anything it's reticence. Because, at least in Foxx's specific post, what's being asked for instead of what we are doing, is to basically act as pyschologists and kind of help everyone work out their issues and 'how do you feel about what X said about you, Y? what did you mean when you said Z?' etc etc. That's a nice thing to do, but it isn't the job of moderating. The job of a staff member is to act as police, to keep the peace and enforce the rules, what we have, and if possible, assist in that capacity, as police often do in, say, domestic dispute cases. Their role isn't school counselors. They (in fact, no one on this or hardly any other site I know of) is qualified or employed to help people work through interpersonal issues with each other. We can all try, and sometimes do, but demanding that be the standard reaction - that it's a responsibility to make people reasonable and basically be debate mediators between people who are having a fight, isn't something I've ever seen on any website in my entire life, ever.

Yes, the interpersonal issues are nuanced, and often intricate. They aren't simple. The expectation that at a moment's notice, another person from somewhere in the world, who happens to staff here (or anywhere), can be directed to an ongoing argument between two or more people they don't know, about a topic they are not aware of, instigated by person(s) or situation(s) that are rarely readily apparent, and featuring what is often typical internet argument style of insults and angry emotional words, and start without hesitation untangling the mess of people's emotional, reactionary, argumentative interpersonal issues, is an expectation that sounds like something people get payed a helluva lot more than nothing for. Particularly, when there are often strong personalities involved who, knowingly or not, meddle in such things either out of good intent thinking they are helping or because they simply think they're smarter and more righteous than anyone else, when in fact their behavior often causes the very problems they subsequently bemoan the reactions to.

We all do the best we can, as users and staff, to ensure people have both freedom and a sense of security in their posting and communication, and by and large we have resoundingly achieved this delicate balance, and in these instances where we don't, we will as I said take them as lessons for improvement. But it is not, and will not be taken as, a sign of anything more, or of a wholesale change needed in anything.

Anonymous 6042

>>6041

Which is why they happen with astounding regularity, correct?

Anonthony is a !FAGGOT47u2 6043

>>6042
If by "astounding regularity" you mean the 3 instances I can recall you having in the 8 months of the site's existence thus far, I guess you can say that.

Anonymous 6044

>>6043

It's not just me, if you remember. I've had to deal with more than a few things happening to friends of mine, and then them being dealt with in the worst way possible, by others and occasionally by yourself.

Anonthony is a !FAGGOT47u2 6045

>>6044
Since we're obviously unable to bring up any of these specific instances, and maintain your anonymity, that puts me in the unfortunate position as unable to rebut that kind of assertion. Such as it is, I can only again apologize that occasionally people are dissatisfied and continue to do the best we can in juggling the needs of everyone who comes here.

Anonymous 6046

Anonymous 6047

>>6045

But *I* can bring up the time I had to talk to you for a good ten minutes after you mod utterly failed for you to even take me seriously, and the time after that when you simply insulted me.

Anonymous 6048

>>6047

And you know how effective your moderators were in THAT instance. So that's…2/3 of my specific instances gloriously mishandled, and after one of which you flat out admitted there just might be a problem. And I don't REMEMBER the third one, so that could have been messed up too.

!!Applejack 6049

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>>6047
The response >>6041
Is the same as it was prior, my commentary on things in their totality is unchanged.

>>6048
As above.

Anonymous 6050

>>6049

It is entirely laziness. The mod in question said that he just couldn't be assed to read any of the thread. He just told us to get out. You just didn't want to deal with it. And in the other instance, you got angry and then you did fuck all even though you admitted what happened was over the line.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 6051

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>>6047
>>6050
>I had to talk to you for a good ten minutes after you mod utterly failed for you to even take me seriously
>The mod in question said that he just couldn't be assed to read any of the thread. He just told us to get out. You just didn't want to deal with it. And in the other instance, you got angry and then you did fuck all even though you admitted what happened was over the line.


Dude.

It's like we've lived the same lives.

>and try to improve


Yet every instance has been met with the same approach. And when I'm not generalising, there's only been one or two instances out of the many that we've had where you've actually gone some way towards effectively dealing with the issues at hand.

>is to basically act as pyschologists and kind of help everyone work out their issues and 'how do you feel about what X said about you, Y


No, you're just trying to paint the extra work as something exceedingly difficult. All I ever find myself doing is saying "X says A, Y says B, you try to keep it cool, that's not what Y is saying, pay more attention to X".
I never said psychologist. I said mediator.

>The expectation that at a moment's notice, another person from somewhere in the world, who happens to staff here (or anywhere), can be directed to an ongoing argument between two or more people they don't know, about a topic they are not aware of, instigated by person(s) or situation(s) that are rarely readily apparent, and featuring what is often typical internet argument style of insults and angry emotional words, and start without hesitation untangling the mess of people's emotional, reactionary, argumentative interpersonal issues, is an expectation that sounds like something people get payed a helluva lot more than nothing for. Particularly, when there are often strong personalities involved who, knowingly or not, meddle in such things either out of good intent thinking they are helping or because they simply think they're smarter and more righteous than anyone else, when in fact their behavior often causes the very problems they subsequently bemoan the reactions to.


Let me on it and I'll show you, and stop trying to paint the issue as out of your reach. Well, it is if you're lying on your back lounging around, yeah.

Anonymous 6052

>>6051
>lying on your back lounging around
oh wow

Anonthony!1NZ....... 6053

>>6051
>No, you're just trying to paint the extra work as something exceedingly difficult
I am 'painting' it as not in the realm of what it is the job of these people to do. And it's not. Though we try to do it when we can anyways, and will continue to.

Mediator? Not the best word.
> The expectation that at a moment's notice, another person from somewhere in the world, who happens to staff here (or anywhere), can be directed to an ongoing argument between two or more people they don't know, about a topic they are not aware of, instigated by person(s) or situation(s) that are rarely readily apparent, and featuring what is often typical internet argument style of insults and angry emotional words, and start without hesitation untangling the mess of people's emotional, reactionary, argumentative interpersonal issues, is an expectation that sounds like something people get payed a helluva lot more than nothing for. Particularly, when there are often strong personalities involved who, knowingly or not, meddle in such things either out of good intent thinking they are helping or because they simply think they're smarter and more righteous than anyone else, when in fact their behavior often causes the very problems they subsequently bemoan the reactions to.

Anonymous 6054

>>6053

You've yet to respond to my points. You know what happened and you know why, and you know part of it was a mixture of laziness and cannot be assed. Why to you continue to assert the same thing when confronted with this?

Anonthony!1NZ....... 6055

>>6054
I can't get into specifics since you wish to be anonymous and discussing the situations that occurred would undermine your right. I am more than willing to discuss it with you privately if you'd rather continue to be anonymous.

Anonymous 6056

>>6055

Sure.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 6057

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>>6053
>not in the realm of what it is the job of these people to do

I dunno. I wouldn't hire a mod because they follow the instructions well. I would hire them because they understand how things work and will be prepared to do what they're capable of to resolve the issues which may come up.

>two or more people they don't know


I find that's usually irrelevant to the issues they're having.

>about a topic they are not aware of


It only takes a bit of reading and asking what the hay is going on.

>instigated by person(s) or situation(s) that are rarely readily apparent


Chains of events can always be traced back to an origin, or at least a discrepancy between the two parties. Even whether it was instigated intentionally or not.

>and featuring what is often typical internet argument style of insults and angry emotional words


…Of course people get heated in arguments. So? That just comes with the territory :/
Maybe moderators should be seen more as firefighters than "police"…

>and start without hesitation untangling the mess of people's emotional, reactionary, argumentative interpersonal issues


…I've always found that the easiest route to solving issues, myself. …Otherwise you're just pushing people back behind walls who are still at arms with each other.
Obviously I'm wrong.

>is an expectation that sounds like something people get payed a helluva lot more than nothing for


Well I've done it without provocation for the best part of a year now and never thought of comparing it with a paid job until shit started springing up here about the lack of it. It was just the most effective way of dealing with drama back in the early days. "What the fuck is going on in here guys?"

>Particularly, when there are often strong personalities involved who, knowingly or not, meddle in such things either out of good intent thinking they are helping or because they simply think they're smarter and more righteous than anyone else, when in fact their behavior often causes the very problems they subsequently bemoan the reactions to.


Well you've got to tell them what they're doing wrong then.
In line with the very method I'm trying to support here~

I hope this clarifies it for you as it seemed as though I was conveying it to be a much bigger job than it actually was…

Anonymous 6059

>>6057
The problem with such an approach is that it might come across as the mods enforcing their own ideologies on users.

I am familiar with /pony/'s community and its atmosphere, and I see how what you're suggesting could be beneficial there, but it could easily be taken too far in what would amount to the most annoying moderation any site has ever seen.

(off-topic)
>>6041
>Particularly, when there are often strong personalities involved who, knowingly or not, meddle in such things either out of good intent thinking they are helping or because they simply think they're smarter and more righteous than anyone else, when in fact their behavior often causes the very problems they subsequently bemoan the reactions to.

Oh boy. Ohhhhh boooooyyyyyy. Thony, I want you to imagine that, right now, in the middle of the night, you step out your front door, and directly in front of you, about two miles away, is a group of searchlights pointing at the sky. You look up to see what they are pointing at, and you see an airplane leaving a smoke trail. It is writing, in very large letters:

YOU WOULD KNOW

Anonymous 6060

>>6059
It would be incredibly annoying. To be treated in such a way, is the treating like children people want to avoid specifically.

That's a helpful bit of hyperbole, dontcha think, and totes relevant. But what's that matter, you had a fahnny joke to make.

Anonymous 6089

Look who never contacted me -_-

Anonthony!1NZ....... 6091

>>6089
I don't know when you have or don't have available.

Message me when you have the free time.

Like you could have done instead of that post, since you have me on Skype, Steam and have at least once emailed me when I sent you something.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 6096

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>>6091
>I don't know when you have or don't have available

Maybe you could arrange a time.

Anonymous 6107

>>6091

Right. You offer to talk to me and then you never message me, and it's on me. Okay.

Anonymous 6108

>>6091

I'm sorry, I don't know when YOU are available. Message me when you have free time.

Anonymous 6110

>>6108
>>6107
Wow. Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen an admin of any site with more than a handful of people expected to initiate private conversation with someone having an issue, rather than being approached by that person. Fascinating look into the far different way things are here, especially in terms of administrative involvement and active engagement with the community, that it is so high it is actually expected to be like the former.

Carry on.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 6117

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>>6110

You feel like that same anon that's been hating on me in that other thread.

>Fascinating look into the far different way things are here, especially in terms of administrative involvement and active engagement with the community, that it is so high it is actually expected to be like the former.

Sure is non-judgemental in here…

Anonymous 6118

>>6117
Do you ever respond to the content and not the tone or sarcastic side commentary about how you feel it applies to you? I mean, other than huge textwalls breaking down every little phrase piece by piece.

Alternatively we were done in that other thread, are you that desperate to keep it going and save face? Jesus Christ, kid.

It was a simple post, and a simple observation, and a valid one. The fuck is your problem.

Anonymous 6119

>>6110

If you say, hey, do you want to talk? And then you don't go and talk, I don't care who you are, that's on you.

!!Trixie ## Mod 6120

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I gave a warning about fighting each other in here earlier, and I'm giving one last one. I swear to god if I see this stuff continue here or spilling over into any more threads, I'm going to start handing out time-outs.

Cut it out. /site/ is for the discussion of site policy, not picking away at each other and having e-peen contests.

Anonymous 6121

>>6119
It's been less than 48 hours, half of that on a Monday. People have lives, work, school, I'm sure you understand.

Furthermore though, that doesn't in any way negate my observation, that I've never known anywhere that owners of something personally come chat you up about things instead of responding to someone initiating a conversation with them (most of the time, not even responding if you try), and you've commented on more than one occasion how you regularly talk to this one, yet jump to getting pissy when it's not asap sooner than right now this time. Calm your tits, son. Petulance is ugly.

Anonymous 6122

>>6121

Mmm. K. Right.

>>6120

k

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6128

Sorry I've been away and not updating on progress
Yes I'm still working on it.
I'll tell you guys when it's ready.

Marisa the Ordinary!LWitchfcEo 6154

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>>6128

Take your time, no need to rush. Your work is appreciated.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6155

>>6154
testing starts soon <3
it's pretty much finished being written, but, I need to make sure the user input stuff works fine.

Tex 6157

I think this is a good idea, perhaps refrain from making Anonymous filtered, but still. It is something that every imageboard needs.

I also would like to comment that the moderation is better as it is now, more hands off, and that this is a good way to settle some peoples issues.

Anonymous 6159

>>6155

Thank you very much. Take all the time you need.

!BabsseeDZ6 6174

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I need this now

Anonymous 6175

>>6174
I agree.

6179

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>>6157
>refrain from making Anonymous filtered

Well, there goes any use I'd have for this feature…

Anonymous 6191

>>6157
>perhaps refrain from making Anonymous filtered
This

!BabsseeDZ6 6192

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>>6179
I'm guessing if someone makes a plugin that someone else can come along and edit it so we can filter anons.
I don't understand at all why people seem to think you're obliged to deal with anonymous posters if you don't want to.
Like, in 4chan culture the point was to separate identity from the message. The persistent joke was that anonymous was a single person. So why do people to whom chan anonymity is appealing get upset and surprised when you flat filter them all?
imo a community like this doesn't have any constructive use for anonymity, but even if someone disagrees with my opinion on that, why should theirs be forced on me instead?
If a filter is made, it's only fair to let it be used any way we wish. What's the difference between filtering five anons you don't want to talk to or five trip users you don't want to talk to?

6195

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>>6192
Eh. I've just never liked Anonymous posters.

Anonymous 6198

>>6195
Even when they are being perfectly nice?

6199

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>>6198
So much this! I actually enjoy anons. They tend to me more supportive at times.

!BabsseeDZ6 6202

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>>6195
Me neither. I was agreeing with you.

>>6198
>>6199
Filtering anons would block decent folk who aren't there to ruin threads and make people miserable, but it's a trade off. In exchange for not even having to see this crap out of the corner of my eye (which is worth a lot to me) I give up a few one time conversations I might have had? It's a fair trade. I don't talk to 90% of people now, so what's the difference.

Anonymous 6203

>>6202
Not fair to the anon, to be filtered for doing no wrong.

Anonymous 6204

>>6203

Is everyone going to be filtered fairly? Does everyone get listened to fairly when they are seen?

!BabsseeDZ6 6206

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>>6203
Like I owe you something?
This can't be that hard to understand. If out of ten anons, eight are sucky, filtering them all greatly improves the good-to-sucky-post-ratio.
But don't despair, for all is not lost for the two poor souls caught up in a cruelly cast net!
Just. Put. On. A. Name. Simple! Oh the horror!
All anons have the power to not be filtered, but you shouldn't be forced to put on a name any more than I should be forced to read your posts. There's consequences to both. Pick the side you'd rather be on because the filter is coming regardless.

6211

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>>6203
Posting as Anon is like wearing gang colors in known gang territory. You may just like the color blue. But you know full well the consequences for doing so, so if you get shot for it, you really have no right to complain. You may not be a bad person. But anon is more or less 'the internet hate machine'. You take up the moniker, you reap the reputation.

Anonymous 6222

>>6203

And in addition, you have to realize why people are anon. It's usually not for some ideal. It's to hide and avoid responsibility, most times. Most anons I've met are shit posters.

Anonymous 6223

>>6211
>But you know full well the consequences for doing so
Maybe you don't, though.
The very first day you showed up on Ponychan, did you put on a name? I didn't, because I thought it would be presumptuous to draw attention to myself without first getting used to the place for a few days.

Anonymous 6224

>>6223
I'm confused at the opposition. There are filters available for Ponychan. There are filters available for 4chan. There are filters users can custom make themselves for just about any forum, message board, imageboard, etc. Why is the fact that a users asked for a filter to be made, and another user decided to go ahead and make one, actually drawing any debate?

Are any of you that personally invested in MUH FREEDOMS?

Because this is just a philosophical wank-fest now about the nature of internet discourse, which is about as useless a conversation I can imagine on a social website.

It's a function a user is making that people can use if they want, one that just about every other similar place has available either as built in functions or third-party extensions.

tl;dr deal with, because if you go to any other website, pretty much anywhere, you already are and you either know it and have cognitive dissonance or don't even realize it because it doesn't effect you in the slightest.

Anonymous 6225

>>6223

I did. But if you get filtered, that's on you.

Anonymous 6226

>>6224
>Because this is just a philosophical wank-fest now about the nature of internet discourse
Yeah, exactly. I'm not contesting the filter, all I'm saying is, "I think it's a bit dickish of someone to want to filter all anons." If you do it, go ahead, but put yourself in their shoes first.

>cognitive dissonance

What in the god damn piss are you on about?

tl;dr anons overreacting to anons

6228

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>>6223
Actually, I was here on day one because I jumped ship from Ponychan first chance I got.

If someone posts as Anon and people say 'You should use a name, we don't really do that here.' And the response is, "No, names are for faggots.' Then I have no real pity.

!BabsseeDZ6 6231

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Toybox puts this a lot better than I do.

Anonymous 6232

And on top of that, think of what a filter is for. If you don't like someone and you don't want to talk to them, you filter them so there's no drama. Do we want to get anons special protection? Do they deserve it because they don't pick a name? Should things just not apply to them?

Hell no.

Anonymous 6233

>>6228
>Actually, I was here on day one because I jumped ship from Ponychan first chance I got.
Yes, but it's essentially the same community, and you obviously weren't "new" when you first came here as you were when you first posted on Ponychan.

Anonymous 6236

>>6233

This is a community of people with names. In a community like 4chan, a community where everyone was anonymous, having a name was attention whoring. Here, it's the norm.

Anonymous 6237

>>6236
I sort of feel like my point is being missed…

When I first came to Ponychan, I posted anonymously. It wasn't until a few days later that I started noticing that everyone else used a name and decided to use one too.

I feel like many others probably choose to do the same when they're new, and that having people filter them out because the newbies are ignorant is "unfair".

Whether you give a shit about fairness is entirely up to you. I am only asking people to consider that before adding "Anonymous" to their filter.

Ivynn !Bro...SupU 6241

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>>6237
My first post in Ponychan was with a name. But then again, I've never posted in 4chan, so…

Anyway, it is one thing to ask people to consider not adding Anonymous to a filter, but an entirely different thing when >>6157 seems to be suggesting that Anonymous shouldn't even be able to be added to the filter. I just can't really see justification for giving users an option to block certain trips that they don't want to read, but then refuse to let them block all anonymous posts if they didn't want to read them.

Tpwpfluttershy 6246

>>6241
>I just can't really see justification for giving users an option to block certain trips that they don't want to read, but then refuse to let them block all anonymous posts if they didn't want to read them.

The point of the block feature is to deal with the interpersonal drama that can develop between users by allowing a user to block another user they don't like.
With anonymous users you cannot tell who they are so interpersonal drama becomes impossible.

6247

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>>6246
Until that person you blocked realizes you blocked them, so posts Anonymously just to harass you without you being able to do anything about it.

Honestly I see the whole block thing as unessicary and retarded. If someone really wants you to see their post, they can just change their name and trip and bypass it.

The whole concept is akin to the Maginot Line. Sure, it may stop anything coming right at it, but it really isn't that hard to just go around it.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 6250

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>>6247
>Until that person you blocked realizes you blocked them, so posts Anonymously just to harass you without you being able to do anything about it.
Which is (in my opinion) equivalent to ban evasion and should be treat as such.

>Honestly I see the whole block thing as unessicary and retarded. If someone really wants you to see their post, they can just change their name and trip and bypass it.

It does two things. It limits the situations in which staff need to get involved in users disputes; as disputes can be resolved with "just block him if he is bothering you"
and if that doesn't work it creates a verifiable pattern of harassment. (getting blocked and changing your name to avoid the block)


>The whole concept is akin to the Maginot Line. Sure, it may stop anything coming right at it, but it really isn't that hard to just go around it.

It works to prevent the need for staff intervention when it's just two people who have a problem with each other. If someone is going around it then it is clear that it's not a simple case of people's personalities butting up against each other but that it's one user harassing another. It also makes it very clear who's harassing whom.

Ivynn (mobile)!Bro...SupU 6251

>>6246
>The point of the block feature is to deal with the interpersonal drama that can develop between users
Um…when was this ever said that this is what the point was? Cause I'm not gonna scour the whole thread, but all I know is that the OP asked for a blocking feature because he "doesn't like dealing with jerks".

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 6252

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>>6251
Jerks are just people you don't get along with.

Anonymous 6253

>>6252

Heheheheheheh. You haven't met many jerks, then.

6254

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I personally don't think this has been a major problem.

Besides, blocking Anonymous users is never going to happen mainly due to the fact the site Admin posts anonymously half the time.

I just don't see the point. If you're not blocking to stop harassment then just ignore the user in question. It really isn't that difficult.

6256

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Also, I've personally always seen blocking as a childish way to 'fix' disputes. It's akin to putting your fingers in your ears an going, 'LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!' in the middle of a conversation just because it isn't going your way.

It honestly doesn't solve anything.

Ivynn !Bro...SupU 6257

>>6252
So…people posting as Anonymous can't be jerks?

>>6256
>It honestly doesn't solve anything.
Um…what? I don't see how it solves nothing. If I dislike everything or most things that one person posts, but still want to post where that person does, then I don't see how just blocking them doesn't solve it.

Anonymous 6258

>>6256

Some people don't want to fix anything.

6259

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>>6257
If that happens I simply don't respond to that person's posts anymore.

Seems to work fine for me.

Ivynn (mobile)!Bro...SupU 6260

>>6259
How is that any less "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"?

6261

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>>6260
Eh. I don't know, actually. I've never actually needed to do it before. I just assumed that's what I'd do if for some reason that ever happened. Which seems unlikely.

I just don't see why the mods need to write code for something you can just do yourself.

Ivynn !Bro...SupU 6262

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>>6261
Because it both makes it easier, and makes it so that I don't even have to see the post to remember that I should ignore it?

Not having the posts made by a poster whos posts I don't even want to read never even appear to begin with is just extremely convenient. Too, it will prevent "accidentally" reading their stuff, before being reminded "oh yeah, I wish I couldn't even see that to begin with~" if you know what I mean.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 6263

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>>6257
It's extremely rare.
It's hard to hold a grudge against an anon and nearly all the drama I see on this site has some basis on past interactions that have not been resolved.

I'd say the cost of allowing blocking of anons (Isolating an entire group of users, many of whom are trying out the site for the first time) outweighs the benefits (solving an extremely rare occurrence that can still be dealt with through current processes)

I'd be all for it if it was IP specific though.


>>6256
It solves a situation where another user is deliberately antagonizing you in a way that is not overt.

Anonymous 6264

>>6263

Back on ponychan, Anonymous posters got a reputation for either being shitposters, trolls, or tripusers who wanted to insult others. I have to say that's only slightly better here.

6265

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>>6263
Anonymous posters are more likely to be douchebags than named posters mainly because by having a name you start to build a reputation. Unless you want your reputation as a shitposter, most named posters try to be somewhat civil.

I'm not saying all Anons are assholes, it's just way more likely.

Also, regardless of how this goes, I won't be using this feature anyway. I don't like Anonymous posters, but I find blocking kinda silly in general.

6268

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>>6265
Most named posters also go anon when they want to say something unpopular, except for me and look where it got me.

I think blocking anons is stupid because the only time insults have any weight at all is when they come from someone you respect. That said, I don't really care if there is a filter or not, it'll change nothing.

Anonymous 6269

>>6265

There is no difference between ignoring people you don't like and blocking them, in the way you speak of it. Why call it silly?

6270

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>>6269
I guess what I'm getting at is that if you make it easier for people to ignore each other, they are more likely to do so than actually work out their issues.

To put it simply, the more weapons you give people, the higher the chance they will kill each other.

Personally, I understand how blocking might be useful in moderation, but I just don't think the userbase has the maturity level to use such a power responsibly. Just see it causing more problems than it solves.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6272

I'm very sorry this is taking so long, I've been very busy with real life, extra practices at band has been keeping me off of my keyboard as much as I'd like, as well as having a new love interest

I'll get back to coding, and I'll finish it with all the added whatnots and bits
user controls, ability to remove blocks, buttons which do all the functions, automation [that is to say, not having to click the block button every single time you load the page] and an area in the settings menu to shove everything into

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6273

>>6179
I am not adding any feature which makes anon blocking impossible.
Anonymous is just another name in the name field to the script.
I will admit though, I am not personally for anonymous blocking, but, hey, I'm just the grease monkey.
I don't actually believe in blocking of any kind, and to be perfectly honest, I find the entire point of this thread ridiculous and silly, but I am just another voice in the wind after all :3 and I also do not know the context as to why this user wants a blocking feature, so I dunno, maybe they are perfectly justified.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6275

>>6206
You are acting the very same as if I owe you the filter. Which I don't. I'm doing this out of the kindness of my heart.
I get your points, but there's no need to be a huge jerk to some anon.

!BabsseeDZ6 6276

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>>6275
I don't think I said anything that could be interpreted as "someone owes me a filter". I think it's a very good idea, and I plan to use it but all I said or tried to say is that anons don't get some special consideration from me for being anonymous.
Toybox already said it best. You choose to be anon, then you inherit the reputation of being anonymous. Like it or don't, reality bites.

!BabsseeDZ6 6277

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I should probably also thank you profusely before I forget. I'm looking forward to not having to see some things.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6278

>>6276
>the filter is coming regardless.

It isn't though. If I honestly believe that it'll cause more problem than good, I'm going to stop development immediately, and the way this thread is going, it only really seems to be creating issues.
As for the anonymous filter, I was thinking of making it so that posts made by mods that were logged in wouldn't be filtered by any filter whatsoever, so that well, if you see an anon post, than you'd know that it's a mod, but I'm getting to mac and thony about that anyway.

>>6277
And okay, I do appreciate the thanks. I just feel like I'm contributing more to a problem than a solution right now.

!BabsseeDZ6 6279

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>>6278
I said that three days ago. uhm okay ..
tbh, most of the friction in this thread was just debate about the filter, and doesn't say much of anything about what the board would be like with a filter (much improved imo).
The only issue is that some people are well aware that they might be filtered for going anonymous but would rather continue to inconvenience everyone else instead of doing the one simple thing they could do to avoid it.
I don't really care about their selfishness but they seem to feel entitled to post anonymously without the consequence of having a reputation. Tiny, tiny tears.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6280

>>6279
I'm more worried about what the filter will end up doing. There are only a few points in the thread that honestly have me at all worried, which is mostly just making the problems for the mods in which evasion of the filter is akin to ban evading.

Anonymous 6281

>>6278

I thank you for doing the filter, but it makes me nervous when someone keeps holding what they're doing hostage.

I really, really, really appreciate this, but..please don't do that.

>>6280

I think it would be more along the lines of harassment. If two people don't like each other and clash, that's just how things go. IF someone winds up blocking the other to solve the problem, that can be a reflection of maturity. No one else has to deal with it.

BUT

When someone gets around the filter to start shit with someone who filtered them, it's obvious that they just want to start shit, and it's not their personalities that are causing the problem. It's that someone is itching for a fight. It becomes harassment and should be dealt with as such.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6282

>>6281
*sigh* I don't really mean it. Big words, little ideas.
I want to make this chan a better place, and I want to do good for it, but I am scared that the filter will do no such thing.

>>6281
I personally believe that people should work out their problems calmly, and if that isn't applicable than they leave each other alone.
I suppose it won't be too bad for the mods, I mean it won't be like every five minutes they'll have to deal with another personal infraction…
I'm just worried that the good I'm doing will be outweighed by the bad.

Anonymous 6283

>>6282

I don't understand how it wouldn't do good. I've seen plenty of situations where people just up and apologize to tons of people for how much of a jerk they've been being for little to no reason tied to the users themselves to know that a lot of times there aren't problems that can be solved by talking them out.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6284

>>6283
I'm certain that it will do some good, I'm just worried that the good it does will be outweighed by the bad.

Anonymous 6285

>>6284

I don't know what you mean. People are pretty much going to do what they want to. They're going to fight, or be mean, or snark at each other unless they damn well want to work things out, most times. I think the best thing to do is to provide a tool that makes it so that other people won't really have to deal with it, because the people who really suffer most are people who aren't part of the argument.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6286

>>6285
I suppose that's true.
Regardless, it's still being worked on, and it will be implemented as soon as it's finished.

Anonymous 6287

>>6286

You're a saint. *hugs*

Thank you.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6288

>>6287
No problem.

Anonymous 6289

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6298

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Alright, so progress update:

The filter technically works :D
I can Copy/Paste the code in the console on chrome, activate the functions per the rules, and it works! The hardest part is technically over.

The next step will be turning it into a UI capable program.
Nothing spectacularly hard.

Pic Very very Related.
yes, those are both html hackjobs, but that's what it'll end up looking like when it's finished.

Remmy 6299

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>>6298
Congratz you should be bretty fuckin proud of yourself.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6300

>>6299
no pride, only servitude.

Remmy 6301

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>>6300
I can tell.

!BabsseeDZ6 6303

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>>6300
Ignoble.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6309

>>6303
*shrug* gets work done.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6316

>>6303
regardless, my main motivation is for the users of the site, I'm not letting my own personal issues get in the way of a wanted feature, much less a feature that should make the site "much better".

!BabsseeDZ6 6326

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>>6316
Which I appreciate. I'm just concerned you've got the spine of a cheese string.
As much as I want this, I think you should scrap the project on the spot if you personally believe it's wrong.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6327

>>6326
It's not that I believe that it's wrong, and I don't have the spine of a cheese string. I offered to do this out of my own compassion, and I was never asked to do so personally. Check the top of the thread :P
It's not so much that I think it's wrong. I don't think it's wrong. I think there are many better ways to go about doing what needs to be done, and I personally don't like filters, but I won't withhold the work that I've already done simply because my own personal beliefs go against what I'm doing.
It's not as if this is a major issue. It's not like I'll do something like fuck over the environment for money, just because. I wouldn't do that, I fight for my own beliefs. This just isn't worth fighting against. Especially when there's such an overwhelming want for one.

!BabsseeDZ6 6329

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>>6327
That doesn't mean you've got to be the one to do it. I don't know how you can say you don't think it's wrong, and then that your personal beliefs go against what you're doing. It means the same thing.
I swear I'm not arguing just to argue, but you've got a really screwed up moral sense. It's genuinely concerning, and bizarre.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6330

>>6329
when I say personal beliefs, I mean something more along the lines of I would never use it myself.
If I were normal, and could think straight, I'd probably say that I was neutral on the subject of a filter.
Mind you, I haven't slept in 56 or so hours, so anything I say is kinda…thoughtless.

I have a moral code, I swear, it's just more along the lines of pleasing others, rather than myself.

!BabsseeDZ6 6331

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Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6332

>>6331
enjoy the filter!

!BabsseeDZ6 6333

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>>6332
You are weird

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6334

>>6333
very
but that weirdness is bringing you a filter. so enjoy it.

!BabsseeDZ6 6335

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6340

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>>6334
Ignore her, I'm sure plenty of people appreciate your philanthropy.

6343

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>>6298
OOOoooooOOOoooooo

Very nice!

This can help a lot.

Anonymous 6345

>>6344

You advocate people ignoring other people when things can't get solved. This is no different. People are going to get ignored whether or not you have a filter. A filter is just a way to make things easier for everyone. If a user not involved doesn't want to hear it, he doesn't have to. And in addition, this makes it so that people can't snipe at each other, an no mistakes can be made in people ignoring each others' posts, mistakes that wind up making people angry or more annoyed.

It dissolves a lot of tension. And really, if someone is going to filter another person, they were never going to talk to them anyway. Not in a way that wouldn't be absolutely agonizing or unpleasant for all involved.

6346

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>>6345
Might as well make /chat/ a forced namefag board now.

>It dissolves a lot of tension.

Sure, until people realize that they can start some drama by announcing it every time they filter someone.

Anonymous 6347

>>6346

And?

Anonymous 6349

I agree with Remember
Filters make drama

Royal !xMoon2pIQ. 6350

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>>6329
A person's moral beliefs shouldn't be a reason for them not to do something. Some of the sweetest happiness a person can feel is just in the act of making other's happy.

!BabsseeDZ6 6351

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>>6350
"A person's moral beliefs shouldn't be a reason for them not to do something"
That's the only reason to do or not do anything. "I should make others happy" is a belief itself, but when it goes against everything else you believe it goes from noble to crazy.

Royal !xMoon2pIQ. 6352

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>>6351
I think you may be taking the circumstances out of context. This isn't Legendary deciding to fight for something he doesn't believe in for the sake of preserving human happiness ala Joe Biden not taking a stance against gay marriage, he's building a script to allow people on MlPchan to block people who they believe to be a threat to their fun on the website. Hardly anything morally difficult to answer.

Anonymous 6354

Most boards have a filter. PONYCHAN has a filter. There are still plenty of anons, and hardly anyone uses it. This is a thing that will be seldom used unless this place has earned its reputation of being filled with dicks.

Anonymous 6356

>>6354
>ponychan has a filter.
To be fair, it has a third-party extension that has a filter as a part of it. It's hard to say how many people use the extension, since the vast majority of any site rarely if ever visits a site-issues board or wants to download and use such extensions, let alone how many have and use it and make use of the filter they downloaded. I can tell you that just by this thread it seems there's only even call for one by two or three people, so by and large 99% of people here seem to have no trouble dealing with each other 99% of the time. But if another user is willing to put in the work to create this to help those handful of people out, I see no reason to object and let them do what they want. It will have almost no impact on anyone else at all, and will help those few individuals who want it.

6359

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>>6347
The /b/read already has a fortress mentality of sorts, a filter would just make it even harder for new posters to get engaged.

Anonymous 6360

>>6359
and yet, it's the largest outsourcer of new posters to other threads.

6363

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>>6360
Exactly, just think what it could be in ideal conditions.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6368

I'm so so so so so sorry
Project development is on hold until further notice.
the only person I would even remotely consider a friend, for grade five and six, hung himself on Friday. At my school. He doesn't even go to my school. I will not be online anywhere. Please do not try to contact me if you see me on Skype. This isn't a problem I'd like for you guys to have to deal with.

Marisa Kirisame!LWitchfcEo 6371

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>>6368

christ. im really sorry for your loss

Anonymous 6375

I wish this was done sooner…

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6395

Thank you for giving me some time to grieve, work on the filter will commence during my springbreak, which starts next monday.

6398

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>>6395
based.

Anonymous 6497

updates?

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6499

>>6497
I'm really really sorry.
I normally don't have real life friends.
but I had them this spring break.
I have been on my computer around ~5 hours over the entire course of the last two weeks.
I'm really sorry xc

!!Trixie 6500

stop apologizing and go have fun or i may have to kill you

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6501

>>6500
okay okay okay.
party tomorrow anyways :P

Anonymous 6502

The day this filter is implemented is the day half the site leaves. All a filter will do is cause drama , I am sincerely begging you not to implement it. Everyone will use it on anons.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6503

>>6502
I feel the same way, but at the same time, I know that anonthony will not let it come to that, so I trust that if there is massive backlash, it will be removed.

Anonymous 6504

>>6503
Or better yet just dont implement it at all. The amount of people who dont want it far outweigh the number of people who do , and if this is implemented it will take months to remove if there is backlash just because of how the process of feedback works. Oh btw are you on skype?

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 6505

i doubt half the site is going to leave, because i doubt many people are going to download it. as for the people that are going to use it heavily, all they're really going to find is how crappy an already not very fast board is when half of its users are invisible

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6506

>>6504
I am
xhaderosx

Anonymous 6510

>>6502
Every other imageboard on earth has filters either on them or available as userscripts/addons/extensions. Even if you didn't know it, everywhere else you've ever been has had one people could use.

Therefore, you have no point.

BatBane 6512

Half the site wont jump ship because of this, at most a few people will and that is because nobody wanted to talk to them in the first place and got mass ignored, although my personal opinion is that there are to few posters on the site for people to have the ability to quickly just wall each other off it wont cause a site ending tragedy.

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6642

because the nature of the filter has been changed from an on site addition to a JS extension, I've been a bit lost as it how to do everything, as well as school kind of eating my time. I'm terribly sorry for making you all wait so long, and if I don't have it completely finished and working by this friday, I'm going to just hand the code over to macil so that he can get it out the damn door. I really am sorry for making you guys wait 7 weeks for this, that was really crappy of me :c

6643

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>>6642
don't be sorry at all. you did all you do. that's more than most would say.

look… i wanna thank you for even doing this much.

you have a life and you shouldn't be sorry for that.

6682

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>>6512
It's not like anyone can jump ship to efchan. I heard that one time they permabanned a new user for absolutely nothing, sounds a bit far fetched though so it's probably just one of those wild rumours.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 6683

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>>6682

efchan doesnt just randomly ban users without reason, unless the new mod they added is just that terrible. i doubt it though

Chaptor!DnH0jkg8I2 6692

It's not my fault if you can't handle my fag enabling powers.

Chaptor!DnH0jkg8I2 6693

>>6682
Who Remmy?

Apparently he had the same IPs as a previous poster named frost and was banned for it. Never really saw how he was frost but i'm still a little confused over that ordeal.
>>6683
That was awhile ago and the one who was banning was BB.

Also
Toho a shit.

marisa kirisame!LWitchfcEo 6696

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>>6693

you a shit

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6697

as promised, when I find where I stored the damn code, I will hand it off to Macil, so that he can tweak it and implement it.

Chaptor!DnH0jkg8I2 6698

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>>6696
Nah Muck you leather head.

maybe you and I should settle this right here in the ring?

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6842

delicious delicious bit of code :3

function filter(type, value) {
if (type == "email") {
return $(".email[href='mailto:"+value+"']").parents(".post").hide();
}

return $("."+type+":contains("+value+")").parents(".post").hide();
}

If I were to input this into the console, it would look something like this

filter("trip", "!!VhZ4lFrash")

(aftercopy pasting that first bit in, that is)

there is much more finished, I just don't have it on me right this second, I'll have it later today, at which point I will hand it over to macil, and a UI will be applied to it, and all will be good.
the part of code that you aren't seeing is what handles being able to remove filters

Legendary!!VhZ4lFrash 6856

Mac has the code(s)
here it is for you guys.

http://pastebin.com/ZyueVQSG


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