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Season 4 Episode 20 Streaming/Discussion Thread The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 473549

This week's episode is titled Leap of Faith and is written by Josh Haber The synopsis is:
The Flim Flam Brothers' cure-all tonic promises Ponyville citizens a chance to be rid of their ailments. Applejack has her doubts about the merits of the tonic, until Granny Smith begins taking it and appears to be cured of all her aches and pains.

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Anonymous 473550

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Here comes Applejack's key

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 473826

Applejack's key is money

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 473833

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*Predictable story that went exactly the way you'd think it goes after seeing the first 4 minutes of the episode. Apparently the EW preview clip revealed the whole story, as well. I'm really glad I didn't watch it beforehand. Not to say the story really came off as a surprise, but I don't think that's the way you should do things
*Mandopony in the background. That's… That just feels wrong to me, it does.
*Pony with braces. I've never liked the look of those things. It is a minor thing, but I didn't like that.
*The song didn't feel as grand as the earlier one, at least to me. It felt a lot more subdued, if you know what I mean.
*The idea of the episode is nice, in that AJ has to decide if happiness is more important than the truth. However, in this case there really was no option. As was demonstrated in the episode believing in the tonic created dangerous situations. There was really no benefit to lying other than disappointing your family and afterwards being revealed as a liar. They are important things, sure, but I felt there really was no other option for Applejack. A scenario where it wasn't so clear-cut could have been a better way to use this idea.
*Merry May was a judge. I like Merry May. She's the green pegasus. Also Lyra, I guess. Having one judge of each type of pony was a nice touch.
*We got lots of new ailments in the episode. Worldbuilding is always cool when it doesn't break existing shit, I don't think this did.
*The plant's character seemed really, really odd. "I felt it was wrong to lie to ponies but thanks to you I realized honesty isn't the best policy!"…that's not what he acted like when he saw them earlier. And his later confidence felt a bit odd, too. But oh well…
*AJ's key is money. Okay, wow.
*The episode followed the basic structure of a key episode I had outlined for myself. Pony is normal, she starts acting against her Element because of some reason she finds important, later on realizes the error of her ways and sees the rainbow, acts according to her Element again and in the process teaches somepony else about it, preferably somepony who hadn't shown they understood it earlier. At least some consistency here, and with this I believe I can call this the actual theme, even though not all of the episodes went by it.
*The name of the episode is boring and could be more connected to the episode itself. Yes, yes, faith is related to placebo and all that, and Granny was leaping but meh.
*Tons of BG ponies in the shots, I think I might have some new Sparkler pics if I want to cap her. Also Cloud Kicker. Didn't quite notice Rose, though. Maybe she is smart enough to not fall for that crap?
*Speaking of crap, did FlimFlam bros get away with no repercussions (and all the money) again? I guess the papers will spread the story, but come on.
*I like Granny Smith.

Overall, the episode had some good things going for it and it wasn't offensively bad, but it felt very underwhelming and safe. The story took no risks and went on the rails everyone could see a mile away. After AJ knew the tonic didn't do shit I didn't feel there was really any escalation in the episode, we simply got scenes where Granny proved she could do stuff, very much the same as before she figured it out, only this time she tried to go with it to have Granny happy. I guess the whole "AJ-approved" and the spotlight she was getting could be seen as escalation, but to me I didn't feel the tension rising at all, or anything really being at stake there. Well, her reputation as an honest pony, I suppose, which could be a big thing for her, but as a viewer I didn't feel that. There were really no high points for me. Well, other than Merry May and happy ponies, but you know, storywise.

Might rewatch sometime since it has a good amount of Granny Smith and so on, but certainly not a favourite of any kind. Not the worst this season has had, but not very good either. Fairly meh and disappointing for me.


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Applejack's key is money
Hey, this is a huge step for the writers.
Her key wasn't apples


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Also, I noticed a little something about the key episodes that wasn't really touched on. It's just a possibility, but I want to mention it, in case it comes to be. What is these objects the ponies are getting aren't really the keys? What if it's just symbolic. What if the real keys are:

Cheese Sandwich
Silver Shill

It just seems odd that four out of five of the characters involved weren't established prior to the episodes, like each of the key episodes is specifically introducing someone. Maybe it goes to what Rose said about teaching others and spreading their elements.

I dunno, I'm just throwing out ideas. It's possible.

Also, let's get some wet mane Granny Smith in here, in honor of her accomplishments!

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 473854

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Oh you~

>neo-Elements of Harmony
You know, despite considering the M6 teaching someone else about their Element a core part of the key episodes I hadn't thought of that at all. I was looking around and saw someone else suggest something similar to this in a comment about this episode, too. I would think the main reason for introducing new characters is that there aren't that many established ones they could have used for these specific stories, but that doesn't mean they weren't introducing them so they could use them later. I know I'd love to see Coco againā™„

It is certainly something to consider. I do still think the items being the keys is a more likely thing, but now that this was pointed out I wouldn't be surprised if they at least mentioned these characters in the finale. Maybe even give them some role, though with Seabreeze it might be a bit difficult. He is really the main reason I think this isn't that likely.

Heavy Mole 473860

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Good episode, I wasn't expecting to enjoy it.

LyraTheFlirt!!Ah2q8cdspr 473868

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Yeah me either. Was expecting another crap tier episode.

Also that grey pony reminds me heavily of bubbles from trailer park boys.

Anonymous 473872

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Meh. Not horrible, not great. Granted, my loathing for show tunes colors my perspective on Flim&Flam episodes a bit. I should've enjoyed the classic snake-oil schtick.

Yeah, I still try to avoid any spoilers so I can too. They never seem to help anything other than the itch for instant gratification.

>Mandopony in the background.

Wait…holy shit. It looks like you're right. Very poor decision, IMO. Including established background ponies the fans like is one thing, showing favoritism for a specific fan is Not Good.

Shill felt pretty forced to me too, as well as the weak characterizations all around.

Yeah, even discounting my musical bias, not enthused. The cameo revelation doesn't help either.

Anonymous 473875

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I don't know. It seems I liked it better then most people. Sure the song wasn't as grand but the rest of the episode was fine. I see this episode as just a plain old episode. It's good, but not too good.

Honestly, I prefer an episode like this over an episode that has me on the fence about whether I like it or not. At least it wasn't destroying some sort of canon or being inconsistent.

Anonymous 473898

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>I don't know. It seems I liked it better then most people.
You're allowed. Hivemind isn't required.

I don't hate it, it just felt blah and mediocre and unmemorable to me. But don't let my views ruin your enjoyment.

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 473962

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>Mando and possible favouritism
Agreed completely. Yeah, it's not exactly his pony, but I can't imagine it being coincidence. Maybe it was, which Sibsy seems to say, but if she says otherwise it would probably cause some trouble, so I can't just trust her completely on this.


This is the first season I've been avoiding them. With seasons two and three I tried to see all the spoilers whenever I could. You are right about the instant gratification thing, though it did help with the speculation angle and gave some stuff to think about. Probably still would, but going in mostly blind does tend to make it nicer for me.

>At least it wasn't destroying some sort of canon
And thank Luna for that. I've seen some arguments that the FlimFlams were portrayed as way more slimy than they were in the earlier episode, since here they didn't have an actual product to start with and were just scamming folks. I'm not that bent out of shape due to that, I feel they were pretty much the same, but people are different and all that.

But yeah, I didn't really hate it, either. When the biggest complaint I have is the episode being way too safe and predictable I think it says something, at least. There were some issues besides that, of course, but nothing super major. It just didn't really have enough going for it for me to like like it.

But yeah, as the other anon said, you are quite free to like it if you did, there's nothing wrong with that. I'm actually kinda happy for you.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 473974

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Yeah, ran across info discrediting the Mando thing. I had to look his OC up to compare 'cause I had no idea what his looked like before this weekend. On more careful examination, his mark appears to be an F-style mandolin, which would be less symmetrical than the non-cutaway acoustic guitar mark DHX seems to be using. Still interesting to see how people responded to it. And on the bright side, that's unmistakably Derpy doing a cameo.

Spoilers always seem to make things worse for me, since for one they tend to take away surprises, and for another they create expectations which usually aren't met. Going into it with as little info and associated pre-bias works out best for me. I can always go back for more viewings if I want to get analytical. Not just pone either; imagine watching Sixth Sense when you already know the twist, or even just enough to maybe guess it before watching.

-other anon, and occasional tripfag

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