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Season 4 Episode 13 Streaming/Discussion Thread The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 467494

This week's episode is titled Filli Vanilli and is written by Amy Keating Rogers The synopsis is:
"When a member of the singing group, the Ponytones, has to drop out of an important performance, Fluttershy takes drastic measures to ensure that the show goes on."

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The episode will air Saturday at 10:30AM Eastern 7:30AM Pacific

Stream and chat is available at http://www.bronystate.net/theater/applejack/

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Anonymous 467644

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She's pulling out all the stops!

Anonymous 467645

Episode 14!

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 467648

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We're entering the second half.

BMO 467750

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Heavy Mole 467791

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Rarity: "You know what I haven't had in a long time? Big League Chew."


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well shit, i just missed this ep

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 467956

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I… I'm surprised to say it, but this episode made me feel good. Yes, Pinkie was acting absolutely insensitive in a way I don't think she really would or should have, and everypony should have known about Fluttershy's stage fright already. It did rehash earlier Fluttershy episodes and the similarities with Hurricane Fluttershy were rather striking in some scenes. But overall? Happy Fluttershy was happy and the episode didn't really focus on her feeling bad for her inability to do things but on her gaining more and more courage and learning to enjoy performing more and more. AJ's comment on Flutters probably just hiding somewhere felt rather cold to me, though, but that could have been due to the cat pony next to her.

I liked the style of the new songs, a capella is something I enjoy, and even if I'm not certain there weren't any instruments there I don't mind, the style was nice. The lyrics weren't particularly deep or anything and the song in and of itself didn't bring the story forward, but that's something I liked about it. Though, feeling the music in you was relevant in the episode. Pointless rambling is pointless but figured I'd write my first impressions down right afterwards.

Good show!

Heavy Mole 467957

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Fun ep, but it felt like the real conflict of the story only started to come out in the last three minutes.

And come on! You don't have do be a sound engineer to understand how a voice coming from a barrel wouldn't balance naturally with three people on stage.

Plus side: the Applejack/Big Mac confrontation was amazing.

BMO 467958

>Fun ep, but it felt like the real conflict of the story only started to come out in the last three minutes.
Agreed. I'm glad a lot of singing was featured, but it was more like they had an 11 minute plot padded out with songs. Not that I dislike that, honestly. I mean, that episode just made me feel happy, not simply just me enjoying it. That's not something every episode does.

BMO 467959

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I reiterate:


Though, it was funny and made sense in the episode. STILL

Heavy Mole 467960

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I wouldn't even say it felt /p/added. The pacing would have been entirely natural if they had six or seven more minutes to work with.

And dancing Fluttershy should be enough to make anyone happy!

Heavy Mole 467961

Fluttershy's next hiding spot:


Rambling!Rose//pzOM 467962

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>Fun ep, but it felt like the real conflict of the story only started to come out in the last three minutes.
Sounds like you think that's a negative. I would strongly disagree with that since that is something that has already been addressed in earlier Fluttershy episodes and would have just been treading the same ground. Because the conflict really only came up at the end of the episode Fluttershy had already started to enjoy performing and had gotten more comfortable with it. Because everything had went so well and Fluttershy had unintentionally faced the situation she had so feared the only big question that needed to be asked was "was it really that horrible?". I don't quite see the point of having the conflict come up earlier for needless dramaz. If you have some idea why it should have I'd be interested to hear those.

>voice coming from a barrel

Fluttershy clearly has a powerful voice!

>11 minute plot padded out with songs
Personally, I greatly prefer that to the alternative. See MMC where they had a 40+ minute plot that they crammed into 20 minutes with songs. When I talk about the slower pace of season 1 this is exactly what I'm talking about. This episode was in no hurry to go anywhere, and it shows. At no point did I feel the episode was rushing in some direction.

Obviously this is a matter of preference, so if you aren't a fan of that, that's fine. For me, this was the first episode this season, and probably last season, too, that really just made me feel happy to watch ponies.

Agreed, though I don't think it made that much sense even with the context.

If you were given those six or seven minutes what would you have done with them?
…and yes, I admit, dancing Fluttershy really does make me happy, at least!

BMO 467963

It didn't feel padded. It was just of a slower pace. It was like they had an 11 minute episode of some other show, where the plot was that simple, but then had it traverse a longer time with out it having to overly reiterate anything. They could have spent time reiterating her fears over and over, but didn't. They could have made the end part longer, but it didn't need to be.
It's like they had a shorter show's plot length and simply had it naturally play out over a longer time, which made it feel more natural, and of course fit in the mlp length of show.

So much dancing! She was a ball of joy most of the episode!

Well, it kinda sounded terrible without the episode. Like, Pinkie Pie was the biggest dick in the universe.
But in episode, it felt more like Pinkie Pie being Pinkie Pie and getting carried away in her own thoughts. And… climbing a wall all creepily.

No no, I don't dislike this pacing at all. I didn't mean to say that in a negative way, it's just a quick way to describe how it felt. Like some other show COULD have crammed it all into 11 minutes.
In fact, the pacing is probably why I like this episode so much. That, and dancing/singing/happy Fluttershy

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 467964

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Right, right. Sorry, I guess "padded" just has negative connotations in my mind even if it shouldn't, and you of course mentioned you didn't dislike them doing this. I apologize.

And yeah, I suppose it is a rather handy way to get your message across, it being padded to fill the 20 minute slot rather than an 11-minute one. I agree on it feeling more natural this way, too.

>Like some other show COULD have crammed it all into 11 minutes

You don't even have to look into other shows, necessarily~ But yes, you are correct.

Heavy Mole 467965

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Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe you're right about that. Now that I think about it, the kind of send-off ending this episode had would be perfectly at home in a lot of "11-minute" cartoons.

So, why don't you storyboard, and I'll be the "consultant producer"?

Well, in a full-length episode that kind of structuring can feel strange, like a theme which has been set up is not being properly explored. It's not quite "running into a wall" (like last week's episode), but I still feel a bit blue-balled as a viewer.

Also, see above reply.

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 467966

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I would agree that in a full-length episode it can feel strange. However, depending on the episode it also might not feel out of place at all. In this episode I didn't get the feeling they hadn't explored the theme properly enough, in fact, had they spent more time on Fluttershy's stage fright I would have gotten annoyed considering it has been addressed multiple times already. If it was a completely new thing I would agree it could have done with a bit more exposure and time spent on it, but that wasn't the case here.

Do note that I'm not making any calls whether or not they should do this with all of their episodes, simply that in this episode I found it worked really well because of the subject it was about. If you are thinking about episodes in general rather than this specific one then we are talking about two different things. I know that has happened to me a bit recently. As for last weeks episode, I don't quite get what you are referring to, though admittedly I haven't really given it that much thought.

>So, why don't you storyboard, and I'll be the "consultant producer"?

I don't quite follow.

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 467968

Aww, listening to the songs again it turns out there were instruments in the actual performed versions of the songs, just the rehearsal one was all a cappella. Oh well, still, nice songs~

Smokeydapon3!L9hT7oDU1E 467970

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Loved this episode. Though i was hoping for another flutterdash duet.

Anyways 7/10, pretty good for an s4 episode, unfortunately it was another fluttershy episode about her being afraid and then barely overcoming her fear only to still remain scared of fucking everything

"Dear princess celestia, today i learned the same thing i learn every season: to stop being such a pussy"

The music was really good , im startin to like the newer style of music they use, hopefully we get some dubstep in season 5

Heavy Mole 467971

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The problem is that Fluttershy never overcomes any kind of struggle, but the set up of the story is such that there is anticipation for that to happen. The real conflict of the plot is that Fluttershy has a love for music, but can't perform in front of others; her passion develops as she apparently gets more enthusiastic about each performance, and even pushes the group to more shows than they would normally accept to do. It seems to me the logical climax would be that she finds herself in a situation where her love of music clashes against her fear of exposure, where her talent and "true self" are tested in a fearful crisis.

As it is, though, the ending is her friends saying, "You're just being irrational, Fluttershy,", with the latter going, "You're right", but not undertaking any kind of trial to test the verity of her whole dilemma. It's a little like a symphony that ends without a final movement.

I tend to take each episode on its own terms. I don't have much of an interest in world building, so for me thematic integrity is more important than the elaboration of some kind of over-arching canon. Instead of seeing it as "Fluttershy has already done this," I think of it more as "here's a basic idea, and a simple conflict which is related to it that creates a theme. How are the characters, symbols, and structure interacting to make that theme manifest?"

>So, why don't you storyboard, and I'll be the "consultant producer"?

This was a joke that if BMO started our own studio, these would be our roles.

Rambling!Rose//pzOM 467973

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>As it is, though, the ending is her friends saying, "You're just being irrational, Fluttershy,", with the latter going, "You're right", but not undertaking any kind of trial to test the verity of her whole dilemma.
But Fluttershy did do just that. At the very end she performed in front of her friends, something of which she was afraid of at the start of the episode. Yes, it isn't some huge climax like Hurricane Fluttershy's was, but the show itself pointed that out. Baby steps.

I also don't see some huge crisis arising from this particular conflict, unless there is some catastrophy that can be prevented by singing in front of others. Again, what would you have done with it if you were calling the shots? I'm asking because I don't see it.

>I don't have much of an interest in world building

B-but! I guess I hadn't realized that before. Interesting. For me the integrity of the world comes first pretty much always, so I suppose I don't see what you see.

And okay, I thought that was part of the above reply you wanted me to check out, as well.

>The music was really good , im startin to like the newer style of music they use, hopefully we get some dubstep in season 5
pls no

>loved this episode
>7/10, pretty good
Mixed messages, man.

Anonymous 467974

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i like it better than goddamn showtunes lol

and it was feel good but it wasnt a 10 but it was better than some of the other new episodes

maybe im just being generous after season 3

Smokeydapon3!L9hT7oDU1E 467992

forgot to put my name, not tryna samefag

Heavy Mole 468137

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Meh, says the Mole. She just could have stayed at home if that's going to be the outcome!

By "crisis", I mean more in the technical sense of an inner dilemma caused by conflicting moral obligations, not necessarily some sensational event. Performing at the Apple Family Zap Apple Extrordanaire would have been fine for this.

It's too late for apologies!

Smokeydapon3!L9hT7oDU1E 468157

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f-forgive me mole-sempai………


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I'm a day late. Not reading other posts first, cause I don't want to be influenced at all in my opinions.

I really didn't think I was going to like this episode. It's opening Fluttershy song didn't grab me and having Rarity and Mac suddenly in a Quartet together felt weird and forced like the Season 2 finale. However, my desire to negativity couldn't last. The episode was amazing. What a great callback to season 1 and I really enjoyed the Quartet's song. Pinkie Pie was also great, hitting a level I haven't been able to put her on since The Last Roundup (raritycatchme) She made me exclaim wtf at least twice that episode. I can actually pinpoint the moment this episode hit 10/10 for me. It was when the Quartet was singing, and at that point I was already having a good time, song was great, Fluttershy was brimming with joy and suddenly Cheerilee fainted watching Big Mac. Throwbacks like this really get me and it was all in all just a great time, which is why I watch. I mentioned Pinkie already, but Rarity deserves mention too. She didn't too a terrible amount in the actual episode, but I always enjoy her perfect little lines like "Can we please stop running!" She always makes me smile.

As said, I thought it was a really weird setup at the start, but when it delivers like that I can't complain. This episode was just thoroughly enjoyable for me, and I don't even like Fluttershy all that much. Not a time I wasn't smiling or wtf- ing at something and I was certainly never bored. Great episode.

Sorry for the interruption. I'll be going now. Just needed to share this right away, because it's not often I'm able to drop such high praise for an episode.

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 468375

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>Fluttershy is considered remarkably beautiful and graceful and exceptional in singing voice in addition to other traits like femininity and natural animal bondage
Wow are you done Disney princessing.
Flutters pls.

>Plus side: the Applejack/Big Mac confrontation was amazing.
It does explain how a pony barely capable of speech can communicate around the farm. A bit of an exaggeration, but siblings (and other folks with extensive shared history) can often talk in very abbreviated fashion.

My sister and I confused the fuck out of everyone when we played Taboo, because our inferences only made sense to each other.

>"Dear princess celestia, today i learned the same thing i learn every season: to stop being such a pussy"
That's her primary flaw. It's bound to come up a lot. What other flaws does she have? Lack of ambition? Physical weakness?

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 468376

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>Big Macintosh suddenly can into words and even sings in public after his only established character traits were not talking and being shy

>Cheerilee wants Flutterguy's hawt voice

…I'll allow it.


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He actually talked quite a bit in the earlier days, before this yupping nonsense started. He's not incapable of it.

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 468388

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He spoke at the start of Applebuck Season, before his dysfunctional brain became a running gag (and consistent feature). Aside from that, he spoke inPonyville Confidential, wherein his character and Applejack's are swapped for a joke.

Is that all?

Heavy Mole 468390

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Don't I know it. I have brothers and a sister of my own, you know.

I never took it as retardation. It's just a way of characterizing him as a simple guy, who lives from day to day.

Heavy Mole 468391

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Actually, what would have been really kick-ass is for Daring Do to be part of the quartet. If you're going to roll with it, you may as well keep rolling, right?

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 468392

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Rambling!Rose//pzOM 468405

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>Cheerilee wants Flutterguy's hawt voice
>…I'll allow it.


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Yep. I was thinking of Applebuck Season, a very early episode.

Anonymous 469591

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…goddammit, Twilight.

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