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What would you explore with these characters? Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 400275

Fuck the Hasbro police, you've been given control over what the show is allowed to explore and how in terms of the characters and their backgrounds/psychological makeup/whatever.

What would you do?

Anonymous 400279

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#Wonderbolts

Anonymous 400305

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Twilight Sparkle needs to learn to appreciate her wings. As does the fandom. You may rage. Good opportunity to contrast Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy's differing relationships with flight.

Also she can crash and stuff and not be a 'natural' and try to balance hands-on practice with book research. Or even combine her flight tutoring with Scootaloo's.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 400312

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Where the fuck are the toilets?

Anonymous 400326

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>>400312
Dodge Junction has an outhouse. But I'm pretty sure Ponyville has indoor plumbing.

I assume ponies use some sort of standing toilet. Wouldn't make sense to sit. Wiping bums might be a trick… maybe incorporate a Japan-still water spray with the flush.

Anonymous 400360

If I've truly been given full control over Hasbro and the Show, I'd turn it into an animated, pony version of Crossed.

Why? Because I could. That's why.

Cazic Thule !EvIsule5tM 400372

>>400275
Mayor Mare. She is Such an important character and we don't even know her fucking name. or at least.. I hope that isn't her name. what kind of a parent names their daughter Mayor Mare? Maybe Mayor Filly? Nope.

Anyway i want them to go into who she is/was/does. As she is far from my favorite, we at least cannot overlook her importance.

Also Testing File Size Limit.

Cazic Thule !EvIsule5tM 400376

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Anonymous 400513

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The princesses. I know there's an allure in having their origins remain mysterious, but goddam there's a lot of potential.

Cazic Thule !EvIsule5tM 400552

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>>400513
Too much if you ask me. They have apparently been around forever. Covering 1/100th of the important things they have done Should take hours.

Anonymous 400607

>>400275
>What would you do?
I've said all this before, but maybe not in one place. First, I'd give the CMCs their cutie marks and focus MLP:FiM on them, leaving it a TV-Y rated show, and I'd spin the Mane Six off into a new show with the same rating as The Simpsons. TV-PG? I think so.

I'd explore AJ's feelings about the deaths of her parents. I'd establish that Dash was raised by a single parent, her dad, and that he was a "Winning isn't everything, IT'S THE ONLY THING! NOW HUSTLE, YOU BITCH!" type. I'd take the degree to which Fluttershy was bullied up to unambiguous levels of abuse, and reveal that her parents were even worse than Dash's. I'd show that Rarity's parents, while decent, were gauche and uncultured, and that they embarrassed her constantly. I'd put Pinkie's parents in an alternate universe, accessible through a bubble created by Dash's rainboom, and I'd establish that everypony there was weird. And Twilight…

I'd hold a writers' meeting to talk about what to do with her. She's been pushed into serious unrelatable territory — star pupil of Celestia, babysat by a princess, brother who has major league talent himself… I don't hate her becoming an alicorn per se, but when you add all the other crap we know, she's looking way too privileged to identify with.

Fixing some of the problems that have developed might require a break in continuity and a partial reboot. I'd want to run the idea of a retcon up the flagpole and see how many of the other writers salute it. I'd try to get Lauren involved as a consultant, too.

The obvious way to retcon it would be to have the most egregious developments turn out to be "Onwy a Dweam," but that's cheesy and overdone. I'd look for a more creative way to do it.
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400657

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>>400552
>tfw that pic will never happen because now twilight is an immortal alicorn

Cazic Thule !EvIsule5tM 400663

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>>400657
>Immortal.

Where is every other Pterripus? I have a feeling that we believe they are everlasting but if so we should have seen more than just 4 right?

Ivynn !Bro...SupU 400697

>>400657
>Twilight is immortal because she is an alicorn
What

Anonymous 400735

>>400697
winged things don't die

Anonymous 400741

Same guy who wrote this: >>400607. I need to learn how to answer these questions better. How you guys doin'? School okay? What did you have for lunch?

Stage name!!PJzkqS1qZb 400787

>>400275
I would make Rarity die.
No, seriously. She dies, and the rest of them have to cope. It would be a great few episodes where they have to get over it, and a lot of good lessons would be taught on the show.
Also I love seeing sperglords cry.

Cazic Thule !EvIsule5tM 400793

>>400787
Rarity is my favorite, however i wouldn't cry just because she died. It would have to be really heartfelt, Like Sacrificial savior. Smiling/Crying/Falling at the same time from valor. Yeah that would make me cry.

Anonymous 400794

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>>400787
These ponies need to learn harsh lessons.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 400801

In all honesty, the most I'd probably do is assign someone to keep some sort of leash on continuity, upgrade the show to PG or so, and maybe sit in on discussions to lend some input, and other than that hand control back to DHX. I think they do a pretty good job with only the most general guidance. That said, some of the general guidance I might give would be to mix in more world-building and character development.

Anonymous 400810

>>400787
>I would make Rarity die.
The writers might agree with you. After they decided she just wouldn't work in "Spike At Your Service," I started to wonder how they can fix her without pretending that a whole lot of canon never existed. Why couldn't they rewrite the episode with her as the co-focus without making her look like a bitch? Switching it to AJ was like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It demolished any explanation for why Spike was so eager to pursue his made-up "Dragon Code," and why he became such an incompetent klutz.

Maybe it was just a Merriwether thing. If anyone has ever revealed the details of how that went down, I don't know them. I do know that Polsky was credited with the story and Merriwether the teleplay. I assume Polsky wrote the Rarity version and Merriwether changed it. I suppose it's possible that nobody ever grilled her about her decision to change protagonists. Maybe it was more like Meghan just threw story at her and said, "This makes Rarity look like a jerk. Fix it. I don't care how," and Merriwether proceeded with her usual hackwork.

They have to crank stuff out fast. They can't afford to revise scripts forever. At some point, the story editor has to just let things fly.

>>400801
Looks like you said about the same thing I said here >>400607, but not in as much detail. We're totally in agreement with the TV-PG thing. I wouldn't even push it into terribly dark, edgy waters. I like its lightness, and think it should be preserved, but they do need the freedom to get darker at times than they get. It needs that both for spice, and to explain the characters' motivations.

It's already obvious that they could only work around the TV-Y rating for about one season without repeating themselves. What originally came off as self-aware humor and lampshade-hanging is now looking more like shtick.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 400815

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I hire a continuity specialist, tell marketing they sell toys based on the show not vice versa, and other then that let the staff do their thing.
Oh and I leak the flash assets and show bible.

Cazic Thule !EvIsule5tM 400816

Anonymous 400824

>>400801
>…assign someone to keep some sort of leash on continuity…
>>400815
>I hire a continuity specialist…
I assume Lauren did that, among a dozen other things. I don't know whose job it is now. Meghan is in a good position to handle it, but she isn't the showrunner, I don't think she has very much power, and her duties are obviously split with having to write.

Last I heard, Jayson was officially the showrunner, but he seems temperamentally unsuited for that job. I can imagine Lauren telling the Hasbro executives, "This is how it has to be, because…" but Jayson seems more like the "Yessir, yessir, three bags full!" type.

I'm not sure anyone is officially in charge now, except the Hasbro executives themselves. The show has the feel of being run by a committee. You can't maintain continuity in that kind of environment, and it's unlikely that Hasbro cares if they do.

Their attitude is probably, "Fuck continuity. It's just a cartoon. Twilight can be Ali Baba in the next episode for all we care, and then Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk, and then the Little Fucking Mermaid after that. Be creative! You people are creative, right?"

As far as Hasbro is concerned, it's just a toy ad aimed at little girls.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 400949

>>400810
>We're totally in agreement with the TV-PG thing. I wouldn't even push it into terribly dark, edgy waters.
I wouldn't even push to make episodes above G, just change it so they have the freedom to push the limits a bit further when and if it's called for.

FiM shares a few qualities with Animaniacs and TTA which appealed to me. Something that gave the impression that the makers were having *fun* with what they were doing. Things were pushed a bit further in the WB shows though, sometimes making me wonder how the hell they got away with it, but the point is that they had the freedom to go there. DHX needs that sort of freedom.

>>400824
>Fuck continuity. It's just a cartoon.
I can even accept that to a degree. How many weird and completely different situations has Bugs Bunny been in over the decades? But it works because, even if it makes no sense for him to be in the old west one day and on Mars the next, it's just a backdrop to his pranks. You can do that in cartoons–to a degree. He was still pretty much the same Bugs each time (glossing over him being more of an asshole in the very beginning, but I'll chalk that up to them still refining the character). FiM can play loose with some of the rules some of the time and have it still work. But not in all ways, and that's where I'd want a continuity manager to rein things in when they go in directions that don't work, examples of which have been talked to death already in other threads.

>>400787
>I would make Rarity die.
Ohai Joss.

LyraTheFlirt!!Ah2q8cdspr 400955

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>>400275

I would let the show have complete creative freedom, allow the show to go past tv-y to tv-pg.

Attempt to bring back lauren for mostly show creation supervision.

Keep merryweather but have her episodes be checked out by other more experienced writers but in a very co-operative fashion rather then "make sure she didn't fuck up!".

Stop trying to sell shitty inaccurate toys and remake molds to be more show accurate.

Allow more community freedom when it comes to fan made games.

Possibly create spin-off series of 5-10 minute shorts involving daring-do or something. maybe not at all. idk.

Ask writers to think of a way to bring back sombra and add way more backstory. if they cant come up with a good Idea then scrap the Idea and dont force them.


Sell toys of other charachters like discord, Iron will, parasprites and other characters that aren't really ponies.

end the show at s6
If ending was not satisfying bring back.


start new pony show with new cast.

Anonymous 400956

>>400949
>I wouldn't even push to make episodes above G, just change it so they have the freedom to push the limits a bit further when and if it's called for.
We see that the same way, then. I should add that some of the need for the PG is due to our standards having become so much more restrictive. Jonny Quest was essentially G-rated when it was produced, although no ratings for TV existed back then, but it was often violent, and Jade smoked. So did Fred Flintstone and George Jetson, but you have to carry a TV-PG even to depict such normal behavior these days without turning it into "A Very Special Episode." Spare us the "This is bad, mmm-kay?" bullshit, please!

They need the PG just to do what was suitable for family viewing twenty years ago. That's how restrictive things have become. Younger viewers might not even know that. It got rolling before most of the people on this board were born.

>>400949
>How many weird and completely different situations has Bugs Bunny been in over the decades?
A lot. I was thinking how often Popeye the Sailor changed hats, too. However, this is a different kind of show. Its characters are more complex, and its continuity needs to be more consistent. It has elements of adventure and drama, as well as comedy. I think it deserves to be taken a little more seriously than Bugs.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401027

>>400956
>I think it deserves to be taken a little more seriously than Bugs.
Er, no, I wasn't suggesting MLP be turned into a WB cartoon. It was just an example, not something to be taken quite so literally.

Bugs was still identifiably Bugs no matter what the story or situation, whereas FiM has an issue with characters being very unlike themselves at times in ways which don't make sense and certainly don't add any sort of believable complexity to them, and the gag value didn't make it worth it. Again, just an example–Bugs is obviously a much simpler character.

Point being, you can get away with some types of irregularity in cartoons. (But not all types. Which types will work depend on the cartoon and story.)

Anonymous 401109

Shoot! What happened to your image?
>>401027
>…I wasn't suggesting MLP be turned into a WB cartoon.
I probably wouldn't have taken it so literally if Merriwether hadn't done just that in "Putting Your Hoof Down." Amy Keating Rogers kind of did in "Fall Weather Friends" too, and I probably don't need to point out how often Pinkie is Pepé Le Pew-like. At some point, an homage starts to feel more like a ripoff. I think Merriwether crossed that line. AKR didn't quite, but she sure toed it.

>…FiM has an issue with characters being very unlike themselves at times in ways which don't make sense and certainly don't add any sort of believable complexity to them, and the gag value didn't make it worth it.

Yeah, the "Rule of Funny." If Hasbro put me in charge, I might absolutely ban that trope. To me the most egregious example was Fluttershy having to be dragged into the Everfree Forest, when she'd gone in there alone to help the CMCs. She can't stand up for herself, but Twilight needed her. She rallies in that kind of situation.

I'm still freaked that the guy who wrote "Swarm of the Century," "Sonic Rainboom," "It's About Time" and "Ponyville Confidential," stumbled so badly, but looking at his episodes, his track record is mixed.

It's probably good that he's sitting the fourth season out, but if somebody said to me, "You could lose Merriwether, but you'll have to bring Larson back," I'd take him back in a heartbeat. I'd just watch his scripts like a hawk. Most of his mistakes are relatively easy to fix, but I don't know how you fix a "Mare Do Well." It should have been killed at the concept phase.

I'd probably be a lousy story editor. My report to Hasbro would likely be along the lines of, "The good news is, I shot down all the lame concepts, dumb scenes, and out-of-character moments. The bad news is, the revisions took so long, we only have enough time to produce a six-episode season, and half of the writers quit. What do you want me to do now?"

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401183

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>>401109
I clicked a wrong image is all.

I'm probably not terribly consistent in how I critique episodes. I know I was more analytical when I first got into the show and had a lot more enthusiasm for nerding out on details and creating headcanon to fill in blanks, and I was probably more willing to overlook inconsistencies too. Too many disappointments and stupids from Hasbro have tempered things a bit, making me both more critical of and more ambivalent about the show.

Anonymous 401201

I still don't know who to believe when it comes to what freedom is allowed on the show. I've seen so many mixed things, even from Hasbro Studios themselves.

I just essentially say "fuck it" and enjoy what's good.

Anonymous 401274

>>401183
>I'm probably not terribly consistent in how I critique episodes.
I'm not either. It varies from character to character. I went from S2E7 ("May the Best Pet Win!") up to but not including S2E22 ("Hurricane Fluttershy") screaming, "What the fuck are you guys doing to Dash?" and by the time that 15-episode train wreck was over, I found I didn't much care how they handled her anymore.

I can say the same for Pinkie since S2E1 ("The Return of Harmony Part 1") up to the present. Chocolate rain turns her into a traitor? Hoo-boy! Okay, then. Season One Pinkie has never really come back. Rather than seeing brief little scenes with her being out-of-character, she seems OOC to me all the time, and we get brief little scenes where she's almost like her old self.

Rarity has also been relegated to dumb exaggeration and cheap comic relief. Even "Sleepless in Ponyville," an otherwise outstanding episode, did it.

>…headcanon to fill in blanks…

I've never been much for headcanon, except to the extent that I try to figure out where the writers are going with a character. If they do something I don't expect, that's fine, just as long as where they go is logical and they don't leave part of the character's personality behind. Unfortunately, with the three I just mentioned, it wasn't, and they did.

I tend to be obsessively protective of Fluttershy, and I can't honestly say whether that's because she's always been my favorite, or if it's because ("Magic Duel" excepted) the writers have never messed her up. The only answer that feels right is "Both." I do think her development is logical, I appreciate the explanations they've given us for her emotional problems, I anticipated most of it, but also, she is my favorite. There's a double-whammy working there.

They've never really messed up Applejack either, but there's not much there to mess up. She's a simple soul.

And Twilight? We'll see, but honestly, it doesn't look good. They've made her so special — babysat by a princess, a world-class hero for a brother, star pupil of Celestia, now a winged princess herself, yadda-yadda — I can't relate to her anymore. Even if they keep her nerdy, neurotic personality intact, she's a fuckin' Superhorse.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401314

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>>401201
>I've seen so many mixed things, even from Hasbro Studios themselves.
Everybody. Lies.

>>401274
I was fine with the first two seasons on the whole. Probably a bit more like the anon above you, willing to enjoy the ride and accept what stories they wanted to tell. As long as any negative bits didn't stand out too loudly, which is when I'd pick away at things to figure out why they bugged me.

A Canterlot Wedding was my personal shark jump point. It had a lot which was well done, it just…well, the negatives really don't need to be rehashed all over again. Suffice to say they were jarring enough to drive home just how much the IP holders were willing to sacrifice for whatever new toys they wanted to pimp. Then season 3 happened, and what used to be mostly good and enjoyable with a few bumps along the way turned completely upside-down. It stopped being a fantasy world I could immerse myself in, and became just a tv show.

As for headcanon, it was mostly for NMM. I adored her from the moment she first appeared and wanted more, but there was so little official about her. About all I could do was over-analyze what few tantalizing clues there were to see what could congeal. I'm not sure I want to see how they handle her in S04. Really, where do you take a villain once she's declared her barrettes to be fabulous?

Anonymous 401328

>>401314
>A Canterlot Wedding… had a lot which was well done, it just…well, the negatives really don't need to be rehashed all over again. Suffice to say they were jarring enough to drive home just how much the IP holders were willing to sacrifice for whatever new toys they wanted to pimp.
I started to formulate a reply when you said "shark jump," but then you wrote what I would have said. What a roller coaster ride that episode was! At least it piled its worst sins up front. That's the only thing that kept it from being a complete shark jump for me — that, "Sleepless in Ponyville," and maybe, maybe "Too Many Pinkie Pies." I continue to hope that someone on the creative team will tell the no-talent hacks in suits to butt out.

It didn't help that "The Crystal Empire" repeated all of ACW's sins, and every one of them was obviously the product of executive meddling. Pimping indeed! Sometimes I think if Lauren Faust took a flamethrower to Hasbro's Mahogany Row, no jury on Earth would convict her.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401333

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>>401328
Gawd, Crystal Empire was such an exercise in blandness. Sombra was boring, the crystal ponies were boring, the story was forgettable. That's what I meant by things turning upside down after the wedding. S01-02 for me were mostly fun with some niggles along the way. S03 was like a drive through North Dakota with a few positive points along the way. Sleepless was a highlight of the season, perhaps the highest highlight, even though it suffers from some of the dullness that pervaded S03 and Rarity being her now-usual useless and unlikeable self. It still rewarded with some long overdue warm fuzzies though. Not that my appreciation for Dashie, Scoots, and NMM/Luna biased me at all.

TMPP was meh for me. They did bring Pinkamena back slightly, which I appreciated for the continuity. One Bad Apple started out ok, I liked Babs once I got past the accent, then the show derailed somewhere around the parade and never recovered. Magic Duel and Apple Family Reunion I'll have to watch again to refresh my memory. Wonderbolts I liked–and I know I'm in the minority there–for Dashie getting into the academy, Lightning Dust being a fun new character, and Dashie getting a chance to show her real colors again when she told off Spitfire. The Spike episodes I didn't care for, Games Ponies Play kinda dragged, and the finale was just annoying. But more than the individual stories, the season just felt off, like nobody really enjoyed making the show anymore.

Wait, so you were ok with Flutterbitch? I wrote that one off as toonish inconsistency.

And yeah, AJ's not too terribly complex. Didn't even much care for her at first either, though she won me over in Sisterhooves.

Anonymous 401338

I would make it a vehicle to teach children about magick, psychedelic drugs, ploymory, nontraditional gender roles, crossdressing, and generally parody things that go over not only the kids heads, but their parents as well.

Anonymous 401359

>>401333
>Not that my appreciation for Dashie, Scoots, and NMM/Luna biased me at all.
I didn't care much about any of them until that episode, but it made me care. Too bad Corey couldn't do the same for Rarity in it. Small as Luna's role was, it altered my perception the most. It was nice to finally see her doing something kind for someone who couldn't help her in the slightest, and to see that she actually has a job beyond raising the moon. I had begun to wonder if the rest of her life was like Martin Sheen's at the beginning of Apocalypse Now.

>>401333
>Wait, so you were ok with Flutterbitch?
Which manifestation of Flutterbitch? We've known she has her limits since "Griffon the Brush-Off." Considering what we know about her past, I'd think she was a flat character if she didn't carry anger around with the rest of her baggage.

I usually like her dark side. Too bad "Putting Your Hoof Down" didn't explore it. Merriwether wasted the first seven minutes telling us what we already knew, then skimmed over the rest of the story. The only time Flutterbitch has ever bothered me was at the beginning of "Magic Duel," when Larson had her go from anger to hoof-biting fear in one-tenth of a second. Her anger was fine by itself, but that transition was unlikable.

He really raped her hard in that episode. Her reluctance to enter the Everfree Forest bothered me a lot more than her threats at the beginning. Bravery isn't fearlessness, it's going ahead when you're too scared to spit. She's always been brave when someone she cares about is in trouble. It was obvious that Larson was just swinging her mood like a pendulum for the lulz. He doesn't get her, and he's admitted it.

People who think Flutters is shallow have never connected the dots, but we all fail to do that with the characters that don't resonate with us. I have trouble connecting Dash's dots, but I think they're there. I'm not sure Pinkie even has any to connect.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 401407

>>400824
>I assume Lauren did that
The I fire that one and hire a new one. Someone who's done character continuity before.

>Jayson

Jayson is irreverent. From the OP it's assumed I'm the show-runner now.

Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 401459

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To answer my own OP some things I would address:

1. I would tie dragon lore together and give Spike a bit of significance. Also I would tell the staff it's time to cut the shit with him randomly regressing in maturity level. He's a lot better as a snarky voice of reason than an incompetent child.

2. More emphasis on character relationships rather than browbeating morals with the characters. We can save the moral lessons for CMC episodes.

3. Speaking of the CMCs, wrap that arc up already and give them their butt marks already. Those antics aren't amusing anymore.

4. Make ponies other than Twilight capable of dealing with a crisis.

I'm sure I could think of some more.

Elusive !WbIFmqkufk 401491

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>>401459
The Spike thing, I agree with for sure. Up or down with maturity is fine with me as long as it stops fluctuating. Consistence is key when exhibiting characteristics and this show can be terrible at it.

Fantastic Idea on the character relationship note. This hits all cylinders. Good for the show, good for the fans, and easy to develop.

Definitely overused story device on the CMC I agree. It would be an exciting day to eventually see some designs on their hind ends. That day will only come when the creators get sick of it themselves though.

As far as >>400275
I was Cazic Thule. So Basically Mayor Mare.

Anonymous 401505

>>401407
>The I fire that one and hire a new one.
Which one? Lauren phased herself out over the course of S2 and was gone by the end of it, but I say that only on the one-percent chance that someone might not know it. You don't want to fire Jayson or Meghan. They've been there since the beginning, and Jayson is a good director even if he isn't temperamentally suited to be showrunner.

Likewise, Meghan is an excellent writer even if she isn't so great as a story editor, and I'm not even sure how good an editor she'd be if she could lock the know-nothing, no-talent Hasbro executives out of her office. The series' worst sins have "EXECUTIVE MEDDLING" written all over them. Most fans don't even know the names of those who are fucking the series up. Hasbro doesn't want you to know about them. The "creatives" get to take the heat.

>>401407
>From the OP it's assumed I'm the show-runner now.
You'd have to be more than showrunner. That should be apparent from Lauren's resignation. To be in control, you'd have to replace Stephen J. Davis, President of Hasbro Studios. Cadance was named after his daughter. Hardly any of the fans even know who he is, but he calls the shots. Everybody else, the showrunner included, marches to his tune, or they can take a hike like Lauren did.

http://www.hasbro.com/corporate/hasbro-studios/bios.cfm

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401507

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>>401359
>Flutterbitch
The Iron Will episode is what I had in mind. I'll have to rewatch Griffon since it's been too long and I don't remember much more than the general outline. Also been a while since I've watched Apocalypse Now, for that matter.

>I'm not sure Pinkie even has any to connect.

She does. I didn't like her at first because she reminded me too much of previous generations, or at least my preconceptions of them, and most of the time she still plays the simplistic happy bouncy spaz. That aspect is easy enough to depict and hard to mess up (though it's been done–Wonderbolts Academy, for instance). If you pay attention to where she deviates from that, it definitely shows there's more to her. All the main characters do if you look, Even AJ who's also typically straightforward. Rarity is the one that gives me trouble, but I'll say that I don't really see her complexity rather than declare that she doesn't have any.

>>401459
Agree with 1, 3, and 4, nothing to add there. Semi-agree with #2: Morals don't need to be limited to CMC episodes and I don't mind them in general. I wouldn't mind if not every episode had to have the Wheel of Morality either though. Character and world building are definitely good, at least when done well.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401509

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>>401505
← See also.

Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 401525

>>401507
Yeah, I was moreso meaning that episodes should be written to entertain first and then, if applicable, a moral can be added. I wanna know more about the characters than necessarily have to shoehorn a moral in.

Anonymous 401526

>>401507
>The Iron Will episode is what I had in mind.
I expected that out of her. In fact, going into it, all I knew was that it was about Fluttershy going to a self-help guru to become more assertive. I had hoped he would release her inner monster (I knew it was there), and that's exactly what he did.

I didn't care for the episode, but that wasn't Flutterbitch's fault. All the blame goes to Merriwether. She didn't explain shit. She wasted a third of its running time on repetitious, ripped-off Warner Brothers shtick that told us what we already knew: Flutters is a doormat. Well, surprise, surprise!

How did Pinkie and Rarity get over being insulted worse than they probably had in their entire lives? We don't know, but one brief scene that included Rarity saying, "Pinkie, you know Fluttershy has been pushed around her whole life. That wasn't really about us," would have taken care of it. It would have been great character development for Flutters and Rarity both, but Merriwether didn't dig that deep, because Merriwether is a hack.

Where did Fluttershy's rage come from? Merriwether never told us. Fortunately, "Hurricane Fluttershy" did.

>…been a while since I've watched Apocalypse Now…

It opens with Martin Sheen slouching around a hotel room, out of his mind with boredom, waiting for his next assignment. He gets drunk, chain-smokes and trashes his room, but he straightens up once someone gives him something to do.

>…Wonderbolts Academy…

No kidding. It turned Pinkie into a full-retard. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I like Pinkie a lot more when she's depressed.

>>401509
>← See also.
Vogel is probably part of it, but the buck stops with Davis. Does Vogel have the stroke to throw visitors from the Marketing and Development departments of Hasbro out of his office? I doubt it. If anyone from Entertainment has the power to say, "HEY! Get your greasy hands off this show!" Stephen J. Davis does.

Anonymous 401527

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>>401526
If Vogel said that, they'd listen. He's essentially the person who gets shit done and oversees all of the scripted shows on the channel. Davis is less hands on than Vogel is.

Pic related, Vogel seems like a cool guy

Anonymous 401543

>>401527
Cool or not, somebody is letting the suits make too many calls. I don't know where the problem is, but I don't believe it's in the creative staff itself. Whoever said, "Cadance will be a pink alicorn" would be a good place to start.

Anonymous 401549

>>401543
All I know is that Vogel and Davis are the primary two people trying to make Hasbro Studios more independent.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401554

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>>401526
>told us what we already knew: Flutters is a doormat.
Hasbro probably deserves at least part of the blame there, insisting that each episode stand on its own without needing to have seen others (two-parters excepted, apparently). So if a personality trait is crucial to an ep, the writers are required to spell it out so newcomers aren't confused.

>It would have been great character development for Flutters and Rarity both

Can't argue with that part. On the other hand, I don't fully get Floot's "inner monster," possibly because I haven't dug as deep with her character as I have with others to produce any sort of headcanon. Maybe I'd come to the same conclusions as you if I did…or maybe not. Her rage at the Gala, for instance, didn't make sense given what I knew about her, but moping in defeat would've been less funny.

>It opens with Martin Sheen slouching around a hotel room

Ah, right. I remember now.

>Mike Vogon

Have one of the soundbites from http://collider.com/mike-vogel-hasbro-studios-transformers-prime-comic-con-interview/
>Our job is to find that balance between giving the fans the characters and the stories they love, and then shaking things up that sometimes upsets them, but hopefully, at the end of the day, once they see what we’ve done, makes them go, “Okay, they’ve still got it. They’re still on track with what we love about these characters.”
He also thinks he's creative.

Anonymous 401603

>>401554
" When an episode of My Little Pony or Littlest Pet Shop airs, you can practically watch live, as fans are commenting on what’s happening. In some ways, that’s very cool. In some ways, it’s horrifying and stresses you out, beyond all belief. But, it’s good."

This guy is kind of weird.

Anonymous 401611

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bat pone

Anonymous 401640

>>401549
>All I know is that Vogel and Davis are the primary two people trying to make Hasbro Studios more independent.
Like everything else I read on teh innerwebs, I'll file that away under "maybe." It did occur to me that since Hasbro is a toy company first and an entertainment company second, the problem might be entirely outside of Hasbro Studios. It's possible, but if so, then it's all the more important that Davis be proactive. He's the heaviest hitter they've got.

>>401554
>…if a personality trait is crucial to an ep, the writers are required to spell it out so newcomers aren't confused.
The cold open before the credits was sufficient to establish that. Boom! Theme song ends. Open with Fluttershy finding a poster and going to Iron Will's seminar.

Merriwether beat us over the head with "Fluttershy is a doormat" for over seven minutes. Imagine stretching her cheering scene from "Sonic Rainboom" out that long. Fluttershy is soft-spoken. Yay. We've got that now. Time to move on.

>Her rage at the Gala, for instance, didn't make sense given what I knew about her…

It did to me. I've known a lot of people like her: gentle and soft-spoken to a fault, with a temper threshold that's WAY UP THERE — but if you cross it, God help you. Most of the ones I've known were women, but I've known a handful of guys like that, too. They came about it the same way she did. Push them too far, and anything can set them off.

I thought I had her with "Suited for Success, and "Green Isn't Your Color" nailed 'er to the barn. Her development proceeded about like I expected. Not even her outburst at the Gala surprised me, but it did make me blast explosive laughter and yell, "Whoa!"

I like that aspect of her. She wouldn't be cute without it. She'd just be saccharine.

Anonymous 401653

>>401640
Loeche is actually the biggest that they've got, since she's the head of The Hub. She's the one who keeps fighting outside control of her network. She's ultimately the one who has the most pull.

Davis is the president, but Vogel does a lot of day-to-day stuff and is essentially the face of Hasbro Studios. It's not a bad face to have.

I think all three of these people want as little to do with the toy division as possible and think of their own division first. As long as there's constantly interdivision conflict and fighting change, the show will have too much conflict behind the scenes for a lot of deep changes.

Colshy!x04iLINER6 401677

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Well since we now have Twilicorn, we'll need to work with that. She now needs to know the real responsibilities of being a princess while being herself and not acting as a Mary Sue. I'm sure that if this is achieved, many will be contented. I would also develop RD's and Rarity's life goals.

As for the other three, expand more into the loss of AJ's parents. Yes, I know that that is a controversial topic capable of igniting a shitstorm but I think it's essential to know more about AJ and her desire to carry every inch of responsibility in her shoulders.

For Pinkie, bring her back to S1 levels. A random yet thoughtful character contrary to the wacky over-cartoonish one we've been seeing lately. I would also make her face Pinkamena and her suppressed negative emotions.

Present Fluttershy's family, including a rough and demanding father with whom she'll have to confront.

Spike would get development too. Show some growth physically and in character. More powerful yet still naive to perks of being a dragon.

These are just the things I would do to the main characters. The background ponies would get more active roles, introduce new races (yes, bat ponies too), bring old antagonists (Gilda, I'm looking at you) shed more light into the princess' origins and history and expand the MLP world.

Anonymous 401755

>>401677
>Present Fluttershy's family, including a rough and demanding father with whom she'll have to confront.
That wouldn't be bad. I'd like any acknowledgement, even if she just said something like, "Be glad you had parents who loved you, Applejack. I never even knew mine."

Colshy!x04iLINER6 401820

>>401755

This may sound too extreme but if Fluttershy ran away from her family home because she could not withstand the character of her father would make an unexpected but potential character building plot.

Anonymous 401826

>>401820
It probably is too extreme for Hasbro, but I'd welcome it. We already know her childhood was no picnic. Might as well stop pulling their punches. She's emotionally damaged. That has been established. Soft-selling what did it is unfair to both the target and breakout demographics.

Anonymous 401829

>>401826
They could imply she ran away and not have to show too much about her abusive father. Just be subtle. Almost anything can be done if you're subtle enough about it.

Anonymous 401836

>>401829
It would be better if dad abandoned her and her mom after being… shall we say unpleasant to both of them. Flutters seems broken, but she doesn't seem like she was a runaway. That would have toughened her up. She's not tough.

Anonymous 401846

>>401836
Or just abandon it all and say she never knew her parents and she grew up in an orphanage.

Anonymous 401849

>>401846
Anything like that would be better than, "We gave her a perfectly normal, loving home life. We don't know why she's the way she is."

Colshy!x04iLINER6 401867

>>401836

There's a limit into one can hold and if she cannot take any more abuses, she can snap and take drastic action. Look what happened when RD tried to take her to see the great dragon migration. In her desire to avoid her biggest fear, she decided to push and bring down her best friend who's stronger than her even not caring that she stepped on RD to get away. Fluttershy holds shit when things gets past her limit, she's someone not to be reckoned with.

Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 401882

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Oh, one would never need to cross a Fluttershy type. They're far to easy to manipulate into being on your side without any need for direct confrontation/oppression.

Anonymous 401885

>>401882
Manipulate in what way? She's usually pretty easy because her default mode is to be kind, and toward most things her attitude seems to be, "Whatever," but I sure wouldn't try going up against her core beliefs.

Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 401890

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>>401885
Well she's already by default a doormat, so elbowing your way would be effective to a degree. Long term, gaining her trust would really only require a bit of patience and a warm demeanor. Flutters wants your love and affection, but at the same time is scared of it.

Anonymous 401895

>>401890
I don't believe she'd be a doormat if you, say, insisted that she go trophy hunting with you.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401905

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>>401826
>We already know her childhood was no picnic.
We know this? She had a rough time with bullies for a while, though I don't think it was spelled out how long that lasted, only that she left (er, fell from) there to hang out with animals.

Elusive !WbIFmqkufk 401915

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>>401895
There is that inconsistency about her that i don't like. it wouldn't make sense to go trophy hunting in her world, but i do understand your analogy. we have seen times where she would go apeshit LOVE ME!! and I would love to know what in her past may be triggering these outbursts.

Anonymous 401964

>>401905
>We know this?
We only know what they've shown us, but I assume that's what the writers are thinking. You and I talked about headcanon somewhere else (I like your posts), and as I said there, I don't rely on it very much, except to the extent that I extrapolate.

They're pretty safe extrapolations. I don't go out on a limb. What they've shown us is about as much as they can show us and maintain a TV-Y rating. If it ever turns out that I'm wrong, I won't sweat it, but so far they've developed her like I expected.

>>401915
>…it wouldn't make sense to go trophy hunting in her world…
It doesn't make sense here either. I picked it because I'm not sure she'd object to hunting for animals that you're actually going to eat. We've seen her throw fish to ferrets. She also gave worms to birds, and in Equestria, how sentient are worms? She seems to be down with the "circle of life" thing, but she definitely wouldn't permit needless killing.

>…I would love to know what in her past may be triggering these outbursts.

Until I see otherwise, I'll assume it's just more of the same kind of thing we've been shown, but worse.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 402153

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>>401964
>You and I talked about headcanon somewhere else (I like your posts)
Thanks! Its interesting to hear your thoughts on Floots, since I've not dedicated quite as much time to figuring her out. But that was my point, that that bit was headcanon. Nothing wrong with headcanon, it's just very open to personal interpretation and rather likely that one person's won't be quite the same as another, even if they agree in some aspects.

>We've seen her throw fish to ferrets. She also gave worms to birds

We've seen her eat a burger in EqG. I know, different universe. Still surprised me; I thought she'd be at least vegetarian even when not a horse.

>Until I see otherwise, I'll assume it's just more of the same kind of thing we've been shown, but worse.

I've played along with the abusive parents schtick, mostly because it's a rather extreme conclusion and playing in extremes amuses me. (Don't worry, I don't actually wish abusive parents on Flutterbutt.)

Anonymous 402155

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>>402153
>But that was my point, that that bit was headcanon.
Sort of, although we didn't find out how badly being bullied had shattered her until "Hurricane Fluttershy," but I was already on that page. "Cutie Mark Chronicles" strongly hinted at it, and so did the rest of her behavior, but a lot of fans didn't accept it until HF.

Many still don't. They say she's overreacting to a little harmless taunting, and I say the writers have just gone as far as they can in a TV-Y rated show. Unless Hasbro loosens its standards, we're unlikely ever to find out.

>I don't actually wish abusive parents on Flutterbutt.

I don't either, but I figure it's in the past, and it would explain a lot. Like I said above, though, unless they up the rating and give us some steak to go with the sizzle, I'm content with her parents being as mysterious as AJ's. That might be indicative of where the writers want to go with Fluttershy but can't, or it might not.

In AJ's case, however, it certainly is.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 402613

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>>402153
I'm pretty sure that was a veggie burger. Its pretty green.

Anonymous 402631

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>>402613
Our school cafeteria's hamburger patties were always green. So were their hot dogs.

I don't think Flutters has any philosophical problems with eating meat, although the pony version might have physiological ones. If the writers ever depict her as a preachy, militant vegetarian, it'll be inconsistent characterization.

Anonymous 402653

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>>402155
>Many still don't. They say she's overreacting to a little harmless taunting,
Wouldn't that make her pathetic without making her sympathetic?

>>402631

Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 402657

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>>402155
On the flip side of that coin, some folks have painted Dash as the absolute worse kind of scum in Dragonshy for not being perfectly understanding and patient with Flutters when up until the very end of the episode she had been a detriment to herself and her friends. People tend to look at things through skewed lenses when they identify with a character strongly.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 402741

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>>402613
Maybe. Or maybe the writers and animators didn't analyze the situation beyond "What are typical school cafeteria lunches?" Which segues neatly into…

>>402155
>Many still don't.
>>402657
>some folks have painted Dash as the absolute worse kind of scum
It's kinda interesting to see how people can watch the exact same show and have different perspectives on the same character. We all tend to filter things whether consciously or not, accepting actions in one episode as in-character but discarding another with rationalizations like the writer not being good at depicting the character right, or something was only done for comic effect and doesn't count. Heck, people still argue if something counts as canon if it's in the comics, or in EqG, or said by one of the staff but not explicitly included in the show. Then, once again whether conscious or not, we tend to fill gaps in with what makes sense to us.

I'm sure this happens when evaluating other people in real life too–the same person can be seen as silly by some and an asshole by others because people will interpret what someone says or does differently. There's probably a whole psychological body of work on the topic. But that's getting a bit off track.

What the fuck was I talking about again?

Right, headcanon. The only "pure" way to interpret a character is to base it solely on what appears in the show, and to accept and incorporate everything portrayed in the show equally without including your own leaps of logic to explain aspects, yes? But who does that? Maybe someone who only watches it casually with no particular interest or investment in the characters. The rest of us who rant and argue about them care too damn much to just passively accept what's handed to us and instead mold them slightly to how we want to see them. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes it's easy to forget that none of us would be here debating any of this if a little girl in the '80s hadn't done exactly the same thing and created her own interpretations for us to argue about years later. My versions of characters might not always agree with yours but I still want to hear what they are and how you formed them.

>>402657
>People tend to look at things through skewed lenses when they identify with a character strongly.
Or simply like a lot, even if they don't see part of themselves in the character. But yeah, I've noticed how often fans will say they like a character because "She's just like me!" Which leads to AAAALL sorts of fun debates when it comes to a certain grey peg with a fandom-created personality.

Anonymous 403956

>>402657
>…some folks have painted Dash as the absolute worse kind of scum in Dragonshy for not being perfectly understanding and patient with Flutters…
I'm a Flutterfag, but that didn't bother me. Their personalities would naturally conflict, and later in the first season we found out they've known each other longer than the others. They've got an "antagonistic sisters" thing going on, but I never doubted that they like each other. If anything, they're just express what they're feeling easily with each other, including the bad parts. Fluttershy doesn't hold much back from Dash, either.

>>402741
>There's probably a whole psychological body of work on the topic.
There is, and that's what makes the show so fascinating to me. They're such well-developed characters, the fans have strong reactions toward them.

>The only "pure" way to interpret a character is to base it solely on what appears in the show…

That could drive you crazy, because you'll find continuity errors and out-of-character moments in anything. Which is canon? That Fluttershy is such a stand-up mare she'll go into the Everfree alone at night to find the CMCs, or such a coward that she won't go in there in broad daylight when Twilight needs her?

Take your pick. My personal opinion, based on how she's been presented for the most part, is simply that Mitch Larson fucked up. His mea culpa right after "Magic Duel" aired supports my view, I think.

>…I've noticed how often fans will say they like a character because "She's just like me!"

I have to wonder if people who say that are under twelve years old, or if that's just the level of their emotional development. It's particularly heinous when they say that about Flutters. Obviously, they're nothing like her, because that character would never say, "I love so-and-so because she's JUST LIKE MEEEEEE!" If anything, someone just like HURRRR would annoy her.

I adore Flutters because she's NOTHING LIKE MEEEEEE! If I'm like any of those characters, I'm a Twilight/Rarity hybrid, which is why those two often make me roll my eyes. I get them. They make me want to scream, "STOP DOING THAT!"
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>>403956
>That could drive you crazy
Exactly my point, which is why one fan's Twilight can be different from another's without either being necessarily wrong. This is also, incidentally, part of why I enjoy Derpy so much. It's neat to see how a character with only the barest canon seed of who she might be grew into an unplanned, collaborative, fandom-created personality that emerged from the chaos consistently similar in so many ways even while some of the details remain as diverse as the number of fans.

>That Fluttershy is such a stand-up mare she'll go into the Everfree alone at night to find the CMCs, or such a coward that she won't go in there in broad daylight when Twilight needs her?

Here's a thought: She's extremely protective of the more defenseless–animals and foals–and her nurturing side can override her personal fears. Twilight, being a capable adult, doesn't trigger Fluttershy's protectiveness. Though I pulled that one out of my butt just now without having rewatched the relevant eps.

>If anything, someone just like HURRRR would annoy her.

Well, your version of her. ;) I can relate to some of the character aspects or experiences, but that's more or less like saying I can relate to my newspaper horoscope…and anyone else's horoscope too. Though on this topic and that of Ms Muffins, one of the more special headcanons I remember running across was someone whose version of Derpy was "an unrecognized genius, just like me."

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 404218

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>>402631
This is true. Flutters isn't the sort of person(or pony) that gets militant about anything. But in fairness from a vegetarian point of view giving meat to carnivorous animals that need meat is a bit different morally from eating it when you have alternatives

>>404215
>Twilight, being a capable adult, doesn't trigger Fluttershy's protectiveness. Though I pulled that one out of my butt just now without having rewatched the relevant eps.

Arguable: Twilight got petrified by that cockatrice in Everfree, in fact she's met something nasty nearly every time she went in there. I don't think it matters if your a capable adult or not. Everfree's is still dangerous.
On the other hand; Applebloom's gone in many times to visit Zecora and stuff rarely happens to her.

Statistically Applebloom is safer then Twilight.

Personally I think Everfree is only dangerous when the plot calls for it to those unfamiliar with it. You need to know which paths are safe and which are not. Applebloom knows how to get to Zecora's without crossing the territory of any monsters (though it does have a nasty ledge).

>>403956
>She's just like me!
I think a lot of them are simply latching onto the part of the characters they identify in themselves. They know that they aren't just like Fluttershy. It's an exaggeration.
I know I've said it, yet I'm I know i'm far too argumentative to be "just like Fluttershy".

Anonymous 404256

>>404215
>Here's a thought…
Except it also goes against "Dragonshy" and a bunch of stuff that's more tangential. She's protective of anyone and anything, except herself. "Magic Duel" featured a double-whammy: a friend in trouble and an antagonist who's at least as infuriating as Discord — that big… dumb… MEANIE!

I'm taking the path of least resistance, as well as Larson's word for it: he doesn't know how to write her.

>>404218
>Flutters isn't the sort of person(or pony) that gets militant about anything.
Except when she does. I think she'd be militant as hell about cruelty to animals just for the hell of it, as opposed to killing them for food. Cook and Price seem to get that about her (Issue #3, "Nature is so fascinating…"). I hope the show's writers are paying attention to Katie Cook.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 404258

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>>404256
Okay,
Fluttershy isn't the sort to get militant about stuff that any halfway decent person wouldn't be outraged by.

Anonymous 404265

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>>404256
Fluttershy wasn't remotely protective of her friends in Dragonshy until she was right there with a dragon towering over them. Up until that point, she was trying her best not to go into danger to help her friends. Kinda like Magic Duel.

Of course, Magic Duel didn't give her the opportunity to redeem herself by soloing the antagonist, unlike Dragonshy. But she did participate in the final victory.

Anonymous 404274

>>404258
By the time "Magic Duel" aired, Mitch would have been better off sticking with the anger that she manifested at the beginning of the episode, but it was obvious that he was just jerking her around for laffs.

It would have been better if he'd had her friends play her the same way Twilight did in "The Return of Harmony." Getting her worked up until she charged into that forest not only would have been funnier, but more like her. What's particularly odd is that Larson wrote both.

>>404265
Now this I'll admit goes straight to my own headcanon, although I'll defend it by saying it's straight extrapolation. I assume her attitude toward dragons is a full-blown phobia, not just her usual timidity. Her reactions toward them are consistently extreme.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 404428

>>404274
>Getting her worked up until she charged into that forest not only would have been funnier, but more like her.
But sweetie, that's funny "ho ho." I want funny "ha ha." The key to humor is the bucolic propensity of the known against the universal backdrop of universal truths.

>>404218
>yet I'm I know i'm far too argumentative to be "just like Fluttershy"
No you're not.

Colshy!x04iLINER6 404474

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>>404274

Given of what she learned in S2, it would had made more sense if Fluttershy had escaped into the forest with little effort form her animals. Still timid but trying to pack courage. It felt like she was pissed on all of her progression…

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I'd remove the crush Spike has on Rarity and shift it to someone else after an important event, making Rarity realize how much she appreciated his attention.
Doesn't necessarily need to end in fan service ship orgy 101, it can be done more subtly - and deliver a decent morale about friendships and relationship.

Also Fluttershy needs to actually develop her character further than "one episode per season she learns to be more assertive:.

Anonymous 404587

>>404481
>Also Fluttershy needs to actually develop her character further than "one episode per season she learns to be more assertive:.
To think that's what all her episodes are about requires a lack of focus bordering on the imbecilic.

Tom' the /♥/ bringer 404591

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Anonymous 404598

>>404591
But you're pleasant, I will say that.

Also, I agree with you about it being time for Spike to shift his affections. Not only is that joke worn out, but it's getting kind of creepy.

Tom' the /♥/ bringer 404600

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>>404598
What I meant by the fluttershy thing is that she seems to just have that gimmicky episode every now and then, with dragonshy or [whichever one was the Iron WIll one] where she learns to gain more confidence, and we barely ever see any consequence of that later on.
I understand every fluttershy episode isn't about that, that was poorly worded, it just seems like it's as far as she goes character-development wise.

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>>404481

>Also Fluttershy needs to actually develop her character further than "one episode per season she learns to be more assertive


I agree. It was cute at first but now she looks one-dimensional compared to the others. There has to be more to her. Something that not even her friends thought she would never do is enough to make her interesting again…

Anonymous 404625

>>404600
>…she seems to just have that gimmicky episode every now and then, with dragonshy or [whichever one was the Iron WIll one] where she learns to gain more confidence, and we barely ever see any consequence of that later on.
That was "Putting Your Hoof Down." Merriwether Williams wrote the screenplay from a story treatment by Charlotte Fullerton. I assume it would have dug deeper if Charlotte had stayed to finish it. Merriwether doesn't do deep.

>>404602
>It was cute at first but now she looks one-dimensional compared to the others.
I'm not sure where that perception came from, but as I said elsewhere, it's part of the hivemind back on /mlp/ and seems to have spread like cancer. I've seen it said so much, I eventually wrote a detailed post refuting it and saved it. I got tired of repeating myself.

Here it is again, along with the comment that induced me to write it:

Some anon on /mlp/ said:
> …despite the synopsis suggesting that it'll be the one episode that ISN'T about her overcoming her shyness.

I'm not sure where that perception came from. I guess it's just one of those things that somebody said once here on /mlp/, then everyone else started parroting it without a second's thought. Let's see, shall we?

1. "Dragonshy": About overcoming a phobia, not shyness per se.

2. "Swarm of the Century": Fluttershy wasn't central, but she was prominent. Nothing about shyness here.

3. "Stare Master": About not biting off more than you can chew. The similarity to her actions in "Dragonshy" showed she had actually learned something. The callback was good, but her shyness had nothing to do with it.

4. "Green Isn't Your Color": About not being up-front about your feelings. Rarity was equally guilty. Fluttershy wasn't so much shy (at least in an over-the-top dysfunctional way) as scornful of the attention. She hated it, but she wasn't terrified.

5. "A Bird in the Hoof": Fluttershy's compassion overrules her common sense, and she does something downright ballsy: she steals Celestia's bird. She's calm in this one. She takes puke in the face without flinching. Twilight is more fearful that she is.

6. "The Best Night Ever": Like "Swarm," this wasn't a Flutter-centric episode, but she stole the show anyway. Her shyness had nothing to do with anything. This is the first time she really loses her temper, and it's awesome.

7. "Putting Your Hoof Down": Again, this deals with Fluttershy's buried anger more than her shyness. It's not as terrible as Merriwether Williams' earlier efforts, but Williams' handling of the characters is still about as subtle as a cinder block, and her pacing sucks.

8. "Hurricane Fluttershy": About childhood trauma. This was the first time an episode delivered what had been hinted at all along: Fluttershy isn't just shy. She's messed up. She apparently has a touch of PTSD. This also might be the first time a character's breakdown was not played for laughs in any way, shape, or form. Fluttershy's humiliation wasn't funny. It was painful.

That's all the Flutter-centric episodes up till now (plus two she ran away with), and as you can see, they're a mixed bag. The idea that "she's a 'one-dimensional' character and all her episodes are the same" is flat-out stupid. It's a dumb lie that has been repeated so often, people believe it.

Now I want to go back and list some of her prominent but minor roles that helped develop her character.

1. "Griffon the Brush-Off": We see both her fragility, and her underlying anger.
2. "Suited for Success": We REALLY see her buried anger in this one.
3. "Sonic Rainboom": She's brilliant in every scene she's in. (What happened later, M.A. Larson?)
4. "The Cutie Mark Chronicles": Our first glimpse at how she was bullied.
5. "The Return of Harmony": M.A. Larson's Flanderization of Fluttershy begins. WTF?
6. "Luna Eclipsed": M.A. Larson's Flanderization of Fluttershy continues. WTF?
7. "Magic Duel": M.A. Larson's Flanderization of Fluttershy reaches a crescendo. WTF?!!

In short, the worst handling of Fluttershy was courtesy of M.A. Larson (with some mishandling by Merriwether, but she mishandled all of them in Season Two). Maybe Larson's later episodes are the only ones Fluttershy's detractors remember.

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>>404625

You're right in many points. Fluttershy was an interesting character up until S2. She has suffered a case of flanderization in S3 like RD had during most of S2. We can say that KCAFO gave her some gasp of air but still it feels like she has gone 2 steps back for every step forward she gave prior to S3, and yes, a blame it mostly on Magic Duel. She has not been consistent in everything she has learned and my biggest concern is that she'll be flanderized further in S4 into an exaggeration of what she was before.

Anonymous 404686

>>404679
>Fluttershy was an interesting character up until S2.
She only had two episodes. "Putting Your Hoof Down" wasn't as bad as most of Merriwether's dreck, but it was still Merriwether. "Hurricane Fluttershy" was good.

>She has suffered a case of flanderization in S3 like RD had during most of S2.

She did in "Magic Duel," but she was largely ignored. Honestly, I think Pinkie, Rarity, and Dash have suffered worse overall. Dash has been redeemed somewhat, but they still left her vulnerable side laying back on the road after S1, and she's less interesting to me because of it.

Season Four is make-it-or-break-it time for sure.


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