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Anonymous 365622

Is there anyone else that think that the Griffon the Brush Off was a very good episode? About my provements the most of the fandom don't like it. I think it was very good. I mean Rainbow pone and Pink pone hangs out, and i liked Gilda too.

Anonymous 365636

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I think Griffon is well-regarded on /pony/. It shows us a lot of Pinkie as well as Rainbow Dash, and defies expectations (that Pinkie would use party pranks to get back at Gilda, that Gilda would be reformed by episode's end).

It also builds the relationship between Pinkie and Dash in the first place! Strong enough to spawn a fleet of ships.

Heavy Mole 365756

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It's a good episode. Manages to develop three characters without a parental figure stepping in. Leaves the door open on an interesting antagonist (she is a griffon, after all).

It's also interesting because it's part of a set of early episodes which seem directed at a particularly young audience; it's funny to observe the progression of tone the series goes through. Remember when pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey was a major plot point?

365801

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>>365622
I'm kind of against the message of turning your back on old friends so quickly.

Anonymous 365803

Shit man this episode is what got me on th3e ride to begin with.

Anonymous 365931

>>365622
It's no "Suited for Success," "Hurricane Fluttershy" or "Sleepless in Ponyville" (the best episodes of S1, S2 and S3, in my opinion), but I think it's quite good. Post >>365636 said why.
>defies expectations
It really does, not only in having Dash turn out to be the prankster and Gilda remain unreformed, but also in having Twilight, Little Miss Raisonneur herself, deliver a preachy, predictable, politically-correct sermon (you're just jealous, need to improve your attitude, blah-blah) that turned out to be wrong, wrong, wrong.

Not many cartoons would do that with their (ostensible) main character.

>>365801
>…turning your back on old friends so quickly.
Dash didn't, though. This was long before she became Rainbow Douche. Gilda drew the lines in the sand:
>Come on Dash, we're bailing on this pathetic scene. Come on Rainbow Dash. I said, we're leaving.
>When you decide not to be lame anymore, gimme a call.
Dash was pretty hot-headed, but that's just Dash. Gilda chose to walk.

Anonymous 365940

>>365801
Gilda pretty much wanted dash to leave her new friends. They didn't want Dash to leave Gilda. In this situation i'd choose the m6 too.

Agiri 365994

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I liked that it showed that not everyone in the mane6 were automatically best friends. Dash didn't wanna hang out with Pinkie at first, but when they found something in common, they started spending time together.

It makes their friendship more believable.

Anonymous 366120

>>365994
>It makes their friendship more believable.
A lot of their relationships still seem strained. I wish the writers would go back to exploring that. Fluttershy is apparently close to both Dash and Rarity, even though things can get a little caustic between them sometimes, but she doesn't seem to have much of a relationship with Twilight or AJ, and I don't even know how she relates to Pinkie. I can think of at least two occasions when Pinkie got on Flutters' nerves: this episode ("I'm a year older than you") and "Putting Your Hoof Down" (obvious is obvious).

She might have been a bit put out with Pink in "Wonderbolts Academy" too, but then, they all were. So was I. So was everybody.

Anonymous 366122

>>366120
>So was everybody.
Speak for yourself, I thought she was adorable in that

Anonymous 366131

>>366122
Okay, then. Everybody but you.

Scootapuff!saU4Tsd4dU 366133

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>>366131
>>366122
Yeah I seriously don't get how she was "adorable" there. She was acting like a complete fucking retard, not just sorta offbeat like she should.

Anonymous 366233

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>>366133
>She was acting like a complete fucking retard…
Why, whatever do you mean? Didn't you think standing there and checking the mailbox over and over again was the BEST… GAG… IN… THE… WORLD?!

"Gag" is about right. I retched and gagged. It was physically painful. And then there was the fact that Dash was only gone for a week. A WEEK!

A week is like, "Oh, you already back? How'd it go?" If you're going to write a military-style episode like that, then at least give it a basic-training-like duration: eight, nine weeks. How hard is it to write, "See ya in two months!"

Not very hard. I just did it. That might be long enough for Dash's friends to start missing her. And, when they do, how 'bout not turning Pinkie into a moron?

Attaching the image on this post was actually painful. I had to look at my Pinkie folder. Made me go, "Awwww…" I really do like her, or I do in the first season. She's cute. The writers have just rode that poor little pony hard and put her up wet.

Poor Pinkie…

Anonymous 366235

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>>366233

A week is easily long enough to miss people, if you usually see them every day. And I could see checking the mailbox multiple times a day because you're so eager to receive an expected package or letter. But, yeah, nothing justifies standing by the box, opening it again and again, thinking each time you open it that there might be a letter. That's brain-damage tier.

Anonymous 366489

>>366235
>A week is easily long enough to miss people…
If you're eleven years old.

LyraTheFlirt!!Ah2q8cdspr 366530

>>366235
You know, alot of people seem to hate that bit.

I for one think it was kinda cute. It was an interesting character development for pinkie pie to be attached too one of her friends. This was one of the few good characterizations of pinkie in S3.

We have to remember it's Pinkie. She clearly loves making friends and having a close friend go away for a week made her a bit anxious. Realisticly nobody would do that of course, but when taking this reality bending, clearly not straightforward thinking fourth wall breaking pony and giving her this obsessive trait, it definitely shows how much she cares about her friends.

Now they could have wrote that bit a lot better. Maybe tone it down a notch. They should have just had pinkie go with applejack. Her explanation was the extremely stupid part.

" But, yeah, nothing justifies standing by the box, opening it again and again, thinking each time you open it that there might be a letter."

It's mostly the "checking the mailbox over and over" was the cute part. It's quirky and adorable. We are talking about the same pony who thought looking in the reflection of a trophy and yelling "wooooo" was just applejack having fun, and which she also thought it was fun.

Anonymous 366603

>>366530
Well, looking in your distorted reflection and yelling "wooo" IS fun.
Applejack was simply acting like Pinkie Pie there.

The mailbox thing was rather retarded. Everyone knows that the letter won't be in there the next time you look in.

Anonymous 366645

>>366530
>This was one of the few good characterizations of pinkie in S3.
No, it wasn't. It sucked. Her only decent moments in S3 came after she got depressed in "Too Many Pinkie Pies."

>>366603
>Well, looking in your distorted reflection and yelling "wooo" IS fun.
Beautiful example of great silliness from when the writing was still outstanding. It was perfectly believable silliness, because it's exactly the kind of thing that people who are so sleep-deprived that they've hit their second wind do.

I was once on a 19-hour bus trip where no one could sleep, and people started swinging from the luggage racks and making monkey sounds. They way they depicted sleep deprivation in "Applebuck Season" was PERFECT, but then, every writer has experienced it.

>>366603
>The mailbox thing was rather retarded.
It was completely retarded. I'm surprised no one has fanwanked it by saying, "Maybe it was a MAGIC mailbox! Maybe letters COULD just appear in it!"

Don't. Just… don't.

dorko4u!d/OyiUXKhg 366861

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>>366645
>I'm surprised no one has fanwanked it by saying, "Maybe it was a MAGIC mailbox! Maybe letters COULD just appear in it!"

Well, now that you mention it…

Anonymous 366872

>>366861
>Well, now that you mention it…
Did you see my last line?
>Don't. Just… don't.
I mean it. Buddy, I could fanwank the fuck out of this show. I could fanwank circles around this whole board. I'm the world champion! (eeeeee) I can fill plot holes faster than a Chinese coolie and I could tie up every continuity error and out-of-character scene with a big, red bow and deliver it to Hasbro like Santa Claus, but I won't.

Here's why: it's stupid. Writing mistakes are writing mistakes. Just go, "Oh well," and move on.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 366972

>>366872
>fanwank circles around this whole board. I'm the world champion! (eeeeee) I can fill plot holes faster than a Chinese coolie and I could tie up every continuity error and out-of-character scene with a big, red bow and deliver it to Hasbro like Santa Claus
>Just go, "Oh well," and move on.

The first one sound like much more fun though

Anonymous 401784

>>366872
Are you a wizard?

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 401948

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>>366972
>I can fill plot holes
Goodnight everybody!

Anonymous 402136

>>401948
I wonder how many people get that. Animaniacs is starting to become ancient history.

"No, fingerprints!"

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 402178

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>>402136
>I wonder how many people get that. Animaniacs is starting to become ancient history.
Which would place the shows I watched as a kid somewhere around the Triassic. :/

>"No, fingerprints!"

"I don't think so."

Anonymous 402200

>>402178
>Which would place the shows I watched as a kid somewhere around the Triassic.
Hell, I was in my thirties when it aired, and I loved it. (Same with Batman: The Animated Series.) I'm probably the oldest person on this board.

Virtually all the cartoons I grew up with in the 'sixties and 'seventies were, to be charitable, crap. Almost all of the good stuff was either done before I was born, or started with the animation renaissance of the 'nineties, long after I was already an adult.

I grew up in Hanna-Barbera/Filmation Wasteland.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 402290

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>>402200
So you were around when Looney Toons were still good and before Rocky & Bullwinkle had a movie. Flintstones and Jetsons were lame but Hong Kong Phooey wasn't bad, as a kid at least. You also had The Inspector, Superfriends, Underdog, Mighty Hercules, Spiderman, Tom & Jerry if that was your thing, plus Krofft freakiness, Shazam/Isis, Batman, and Addams Family for live-action fun.

Damn. Now I want a bowl of Count Chocula. And wacky clackers.

Anonymous 402406

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>>402290
>So you were around when Looney Toons were still good…
Maybe up until I was about five years old, then WB was started licensing its characters out to inferior studios like DePatie-Freleng. That was when they started doing weird shit like pairing Daffy Duck and Speedy Gonzales. It felt cheesy and strange.

>Rocky & Bullwinkle

That one is a classic for the scripts and voice work, but the animation was nothing to write home about. It was practically illustrated radio, but it was good.

>Flintstones and Jetsons were lame but Hong Kong Phooey wasn't bad…

I didn't care for any of it, although you could tell they were trying with the scripts. The Flintstones wasn't really a kids' show at first. H-B's animation went to hell, then the scripts followed shortly thereafter. Jonny Quest ('64-'65) was really the last good thing they did.

>The Inspector, Superfriends, Underdog, Mighty Hercules, Spiderman, Tom & Jerry if that was your thing…

Tom and Jerry fell apart right before I was born, when MGM stopped doing them in-house and farmed them out to an outfit in Czechoslovakia. I didn't care for the rest of those properties, although looking back at Underdog now, it was kind of witty.

>Krofft freakiness, Shazam/Isis, Batman, and Addams Family for live-action fun.

I was talking about animation going to hell, which it did for about a quarter century. Batman and The Addams Family were fun, but as you said, they were live-action.

Star Trek was probably the best thing created during my childhood. That, at least, is still going strong.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 402519

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>>402406
I really haven't gone back to watch many of them as an adult. Things like Flintstones I'd watch as a kid if I couldn't find something better on another channel, with a sort of optimistic expectancy that maybe this time it'd be funny. Most of the rest were entertaining. The Bugs Bunny/Roadrunner hour, or whatever Looney Toons in general I could happen onto, was what I almost always specifically tried to catch before getting kicked out of the house to play, and there was no telling what era episodes they'd be showing. Man, was that one a disappointment when they tried to bring it back after Mel died, though. But for the rest, I liked the adventure of the action toons, and even as a kid there was something to the stylistic quirkiness of shows like The Inspector that appealed to me. I think WB and Bullwinkle are the only ones I've gone back and watched again a little. Not sure I want to try many of the others; they may be best left as nostalgic memories.

Anonymous 402531

>>402519
I'm an animation nut, as if it doesn't show. I've always loved it, but the art form languished for a long time. Even Disney slumped for about twenty-five years, roughly between '65 and '90. I probably don't have to point out that it's a labor-intensive process. It just became economically undesirable when quality took a backseat to economics.

Now, everything takes a backseat to economics. Money is everything. Art is nothing. MLP:FiM wouldn't even exist if it wasn't a toy ad, although it's a very, very good toy ad. The creative people behind it obviously care, but Hasbro funds it, and Hasbro's bottom line is, does it sell toys?

Obviously, it does. It wouldn't be getting a fourth season if it didn't.

Anonymous 402533

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>>402531
>Now, everything takes a backseat to economics. Money is everything. Art is nothing […] bottom line is, does it sell toys?

Anonymous 402649

>>402519
>…they may be best left as nostalgic memories.
I'm the same anon who wrote this >>402531 (and this >>402406, etc.), but I intended to say, they are. I'm not blinded by nostalgia. Like, I loved Scooby-Doo, Where Are You? as a kid, but being ten years old when it debuted in 1969 is why. It was crap, although later direct-to-video efforts like Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost (1999) weren't bad.

Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973-1974) was probably the best thing to come out of the Wasteland Years. At least it used the original actors, and Gene Roddenberry refused to let Filmation dumb it down. The studio originally wanted him to relinquish creative control so they could assign a kid to each senior officer, but he said no to that. Good for him.

It produced a few good scripts (some were edited-down versions of original episodes that didn't make it into production), the production design was decent, and the voice acting was professional, but the animation was still Filmation's usual stiff, cheap dreck.

Overall, the late 'sixties, 'seventies, and most of the 'eighties were just sad.

Hulkbow!SMASH/3FWA 402750

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>>402649
>I'm the same anon who wrote this >>402531 (and this >>402406, etc.)
This is why namefagging is useful at times. ;)

>I'm not blinded by nostalgia.

Oh, I wasn't trying to >imply. I've a bad habit of having a point in mind and forgetting to actually make it by the time I've finished blathering on for a while.

Time and again I've heard film students advise against learning too much about movie-making if you still want to enjoy movies, since once you start getting the hang of how things are done and why, movies lose all their magic for you. I've seen similar happen as I learned about other artforms and get what the students meant. You trade the ability to simply enjoy something for ability to appreciate how an artist made use of certain techniques and tricks to achieve his goal.

I enjoy animation, and I think I'd prefer to remain blissfully ignorant of too much of the technical aspects so I can still lose myself in their worlds. That shapes how I approach and analyze things…as well as whether I'm more likely to enjoy a show by how I remember it from years ago vs seeing it again. Those godawful post-Blanc WB revival toons drove that last bit home pretty hard, though at the time I thought I was watching the same toons as when I was a kid and couldn't grasp why they'd seem so terrible as an adult other than nostalgia. I know better now, but still sort of instinctively resist going back to relive old toons. Fortunately new toons come out almost constantly, and some are even worth watching. Pone was a pretty good find, for instance.

Anonymous 402771

>>402533
You just proved his point
.>>402649
Practically everything went to shit when Hanna Barbera came out on the scene and the hippies killed slapstick.

Anonymous 403972

>>402750
>Time and again I've heard film students advise against learning too much about movie-making if you still want to enjoy movies…
They'll get over it. I did. You learn to build a wall between the technical stuff and the appreciation stuff. In a sense, it's similar to how doctors (and artists too — I've had many hours of life drawing classes) hardly notice nudity in a professional context, but are still aroused by it in a sexual context.

>I enjoy animation, and I think I'd prefer to remain blissfully ignorant of too much of the technical aspects so I can still lose myself in their worlds.

You might have a bumpy road while you're learning, but you get beyond it. Animators still enjoy animation. Filmmakers watch other people's films. Writers read other authors' books. In fact, one has to.

>>402771
>You just proved his point
I assumed he meant to.


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