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HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3265567

>video games
>art

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3265574

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3265576

>>3265567
that pic is hilarious

Autistic_Anon 3265584

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>>3265574
I was thinking about posting the definition of "art" and pointing out which qualities art and video games share in common.
But honestly, who cares?

Anonymous 3265641

>>3265567

define art

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3265773

Video games are art in the sense that they require visual 3D art. That is it.

Anonymous 3265779

>>3265773

What about the music, writing and voice acting?

Anonymous 3266197

They're boring enough.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3266201

>>3265779
oh right, and the music
>writing
technically art, but
>implying video game writing is on anywhere near the same level as writing of basically any other kind

>voice acting

voice acting is a skill, not an art

BMO 3266206

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Ow, my emotions.

Anonymous 3266211

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>>3266206
VIDEO GAMES KILLED THE RADIO GAME STAR

BMO 3266215

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3266319

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>>3266215
20 people are killed by a Pegasus each year?

Anonymous 3266560

>>3266201

>>implying video game writing is on anywhere near the same level as writing of basically any other kind


Art is not a synonym for "good".

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3266604

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>>3266197

>Art

>Boring

Anonymous 3266750

>>3266604
The art that's called 'art' tends to be.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3266768

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>>3266750

Like what

BMO 3266790

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Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3266810

>>3266560
hence why I said it was technically art :^)

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 3266824

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Elitist cucks!

3266838

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>>3266201
Hm...

Let's see...

Twilight vs. Bioshock.

50 Shades of Grey vs. Portal.

Ever played Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War?

Nope. I have no idea what you're talking about. There are many instances when writing in games is better than traditional writing.

Anonymous 3266957

>>3266838

he(she?) is going to accuse you of cherrypicking and then bring up some universally acclaimed literary masterpiece and say there is no video game equivalent (which will probably be true, as of now).

just a warning

Power Chord 3267011

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>modern rappers
>"artists"

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3267188

>>3266838
pseudo-pornography vs a shooter with super epic magic powers. neither are art

pornography vs puzzle game. neither are art

flight simulator. not art

Anonymous 3267210

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3267220

>>3267210
something with artistic value

Anonymous 3267242

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Autistic_Anon 3267257

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>>3267220
copypasted from merriam-webster:
the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced
b (1) : fine arts (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art

A significant amount of video games require the conscious use of skill and creative imagination
Therefore, a significant amount of video games have artistic value
/thread

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3267493

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>>3266957
correct! Because she is cherry picking. However I'm not going to compare it to a literary masterpiece because I shouldn't even need to. Also I love how Bioshock is pretty much the go to in every argument that argues that video games are art. As if like it's the only game that actually can compete with any other actual art form.

Anonymous 3267532

>>3267493

>Also I love how Bioshock is pretty much the go to in every argument that argues that video games are art


Well, here, have some others then:

Fallout series
The Elder Scrolls series
The original Halo trilogy--yes I know Halo is universally considered a pleb game but it has an enormous amount of lore and was pretty original for its time, even if it helped usher in a terrible era of casual shooters dominating the market.
Mass Effect series
maybe Dead Space from a strictly horror perspective

^^^I would say all of the above fit this >>3267257 criteria of:

>the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects


I don't get why people are so afraid to accept that video games can be art, as if that makes other art less valuable.

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 3267537

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>>3267532
The Alice series were pretty awesome too. I only played the Madness Returns though.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3267793

>>3267532
>Fallout series
definitely not

>The Elder Scrolls series

>bethesda
>art
LOL

>The original Halo trilogy--yes I know Halo is universally considered a pleb game but it has an enormous amount of lore and was pretty original for its time, even if it helped usher in a terrible era of casual shooters dominating the market.

even the -books- aren't art for halo. fuck off with that

>Mass Effect series

is being a cuck an artform?

>maybe Dead Space from a strictly horror perspective

>JUMP SCARES: THE GAME
>ART
LOLOLOL

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3267795

>>3267257
>aesthetic
>implying video games fall under that criteria

Anonymous 3267799

>>3267793

>definitely not

>LOL
>fuck off
>meme
>LOLOLOL

you are really not worth arguing with

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267809

From my steam games

Deponia and it's companies other games like night of the rabbit.

Don't starve
Our Darker purpose
Skullgirls
A bunch of other point and clicks I have.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3267819

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>>3267532
>those games
massive kek, maybe fallout kind of, but massive kek those aren't art. Not even close. Elder Scrolls is a fantasy jerk off series, halo has a shit story, Mass Effect is muh drama, and dead space was from what I've heard a shitty game anyway. Fallout I would consider sort of like bioshock in that the music is fantastic and the atmosphere is great, but it's still not art because games in themselves cannot be art. They cannot express abstract concepts. Games are by their definition for entertainment. Art is not explicitly for entertainment, whereas games have to be, otherwise they're not games. If we accept that video games are art, then we have to accept that board games are art. Also I like how the games you listed are basically just the M rated games with some of the biggest fanbases right now (other than Dead Space, but that was an extremely hyped and popular game when it came out).
>>3267809
At least this person seems to have scratched beyond the surface.

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267820

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Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267826

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>>3267819
This is porn.

Anonymous 3267832

>>3267819

>but it's still not art because games in themselves cannot be art


see >>3267257

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267834

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Deponia

3267838

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>>3267819
To be fair, most novels are just as contrived and shitty.

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267841

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Anonymous 3267846

>>3267819

also:

>They cannot express abstract concepts


bullshit

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/abstract

video games can and have done literally everything on that page, unless you have some completely different idea of what "abstract" means, and even if you do I don't see why art has to be abstract at all.

you act like in order for something to be art it has to be something you personally like.

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267858

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The only thing don't starve has going for it is the art.

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267887

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Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3267899

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>>3267826
What is?
>>3267832
>i know, I'll just copy and paste a dictionary definition instead of actually making a point
vore is technically not porn according to the dictionary, but you're never going to see it allowed on any kind of safe for work site.
>>3267846
>more dictionary definitions
Asking what is art, and what one dictionary's definition of art are two entirely different things. Nobody has the single answer to what art actually is, it's something you're supposed to take a stance yourself and defend when needed. I'm defining art as something which can express an idea without literally expressing an idea. You can write a musical piece about the war of 1812 without mentioning the war of 1812 at all. Same with drawing art, writing, hell even architecture. There's also the fact that, like I said, it has to be able to be used beyond entertainment purposes. Otherwise things like dildos are art, because they were sculpted and therefore art.

I see where you're going with this, and it's the position I used to take. The position of "art is anything that requires creative input". I realized though that not only is that an extremely boring position to take that has no room for discussion, but in that case anything is art, which makes art a meaningless word. That's part of why we still argue what art is, because it's such a broad field that it's basically impossible to come up with a definition for it. That's why it's ridiculous to just point to one dictionary definition and say "yeah, that's what art is", as if that one dictionary has some sort of divine authority as to judge what is art and what isn't. It's something that, like I said, you have to take a position on and defend. So if you're position is literally the dictionary definition of art, which I think is incredibly lazy, ok, go ahead, argue it, I'll listen.

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267909

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>>3267899
A very, very, very bad game.

Pernicious!hBUbOWvHak 3267930

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I created lots of art in minecraft using wool blocks. Before survival mode was added minecraft was a big 3d art program using blocks. There was not much else you could do.

https://youtu.be/c74D7kQywBY

Anonymous 3267938

>>3267899

I was supporting the dictionary definition because those definitions are generally the ones that the majority of people have chosen to agree upon, but then again I guess that would be argument ad populum.

You basically just admitted that art is subjective yet at the same time your concept of art is "better" than mine. And for the record I DON'T believe that everything is art, I don't even believe that all music or literature is art.

I think art is something that has to take effort, be original, be creative, have depth, push boundaries, invoke emotion and wonder. Video games can certainly do all of that, just because they don't for you doesn't make it objectively false.

And I get that when you judge the artistic value of video games relative to the best artistic works of other art forms, they seem inferior, but as others have pointed out most (pretty much all) artistic mediums are flooded with far more shit than anything significant.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3267978

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>>3267938
Art is completely subjective, however that does not mean you can't argue your perspective. People assume that just because something isn't objective, you can't argue about it, which is definitely untrue. You just argue why your perspective is right. There's always the understand that it's not the objective truth, but it's your truth and you have to explain why you believe what you believe.

Anonymous 3267985

>>3267978

I agree with all of that.

...I don't really see a reason to keep arguing.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3267990

>>3267985
Well you didn't explain your reasons, you just kinda stated it. I gave reasons why I believe what i believe.

Anonymous 3268034

>>3267990

What do you mean? I said here>>3267938

>I think art is something that has to take effort, be original, be creative, have depth, push boundaries, invoke emotion and wonder.


If you mean why I believe that's what art should be, it's mainly because I believe that if you can call literally anything art, then art doesn't really have any meaning at all, and that defeats the whole purpose of art. Now, I don't think that everything I consider art has to be a masterpiece, but I think that art should contribute something to the world that the average entertainment doesn't. That said, I do think art and entertainment can often overlap. I guess my take is to find the best border between being an elitist snob, and being a casual who settles for less than they should/need to.

Overall I don't think there is any ultimate objectivity in art (or anything really), but I think trying to analyze and debate it anyways is very fun and healthy, and as human beings we all have to adhere to certain standards whether we believe they are objective or not.

I guess that's the best I can explain my position.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3268074

>>3268034
>but I think that art should contribute something to the world that the average entertainment doesn't
I agree
>That said, I do think art and entertainment can often overlap
Agreed
However I think the difference is that I think that for it to be art, it can't be ONLY entertainment. Otherwise, porn movies are art, because they're film.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3268448

you're both wrong, art is 100% objective
art is a depiction of beauty, which is an indirect depiction of god

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3268535

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>>3268448
define what makes good art then

BMO 3268639

>>3268448
Huh, would Socrates not believe in a true form of games?

Or would he say that in the forms that there is games and that we are projecting a less than perfect version of it? In such a case, games do have a beauty, but so do all things that have a form of beauty to be emulated in the heavens.

Autistic_Anon 3268703

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>>3267795
from dictionary.com:
relating to the philosophy of aesthetics; concerned with notions such as the beautiful and the ugly.
2.
relating to the science of aesthetics; concerned with the study of the mind and emotions in relation to the sense of beauty.
3.
having a sense of the beautiful; characterized by a love of beauty.
4.
relating to, involving, or concerned with pure emotion and sensation as opposed to pure intellectuality.

from that definition, it's concerned with beauty, which from the same website is defined as:

the quality present in a thing or person that gives intense pleasure or deep satisfaction to the mind, whether arising from sensory manifestations (as shape, color, sound, etc.), a meaningful design or pattern, or something else (as a personality in which high spiritual qualities are manifest).
2.
a beautiful person, especially a woman.
3.
a beautiful thing, as a work of art or a building.

And to say that there are no "beautiful" video games, well, that's a subjective view. And if you were to say something along the lines of "oh, but I know what beauty is" then you would be answering a question that a lot of philosophers struggle with. And I'm not giving you enough credit to make that judgement.

By all means, don't let me stop you from trying though. I'm sure you're itching to do so anyway.

ThunderStruck 3268713

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>>3268034
>>3268074
>>3268448
>>3268639

What if we were all looking at video games being art the wrong way?

Evanesca 3268715

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>Same guy who's a Akimbo Dodge faggot that plays as Jacket in Judenday 2.

...Which is probably the joke, isn't it.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3268727

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>>3268703
already did
>>3268448

>>3268715
1. i was just trying that out, i think i'd rather use a nugget
2. jacket is the best character, at least he's from a good game. besides i needed to get him to get the based tony mask

Autistic_Anon 3268730

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>>3268727
And I don't think that statement has any credibility to it. So I guess this is the end of the line for me.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3268731

>>3268730
heathen

Evanesca 3268734

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>>3268727
Maybe if you built for Nuggets you'd enjoy Snipers like the rest of us faggots that build for hitting hard instead of a Sonic Speed Dodge faggot with two DPS shooters in each hand guided by green.

...Also 'Jacket' is not how you spell 'Bonnie'.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3268735

>>3268734
bonnie is fat and gross and i already infamy'd so that build is gone

Autistic_Anon 3268738

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Evanesca 3268749

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>>3268735
Yet I was still allowed in your game, through 'Thony no less.

First Infamy shouldn't do that much shite either since there's 25 levels now and OyVeyShill put it on 'par' with Cawadooky.


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