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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3242521[Last 50 Posts]

>tfw people think you are a right wing conservative redneck for superficial reasons

Heavy Mole 3242554

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>>3242521
Did you ever get that test back?

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3242560

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>>3242554

I did.

She responded with "Don't be ridiculous."

Anonymous 3242567

>>3242560

biased question indoctrination lady?

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3242568

Anonymous 3242569

>>3242568

Are you gonna report her?

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3242572

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>>3242569

When the semester is done I'll have a talk with the proper people about it.

I've got way too much to do and coming up to get tied in that sort of shit right now.

Anonymous 3245117

To be honest, libertarian doesn't really mean anything to me anymore. It's really just the thing every right-winger says they are, even though in another breath they'd be a-okay with banning contrary opinions even words which can be used to express ideas they dislike like "transphobia". Not talking about you, just right-wing "libertarians".

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3245247

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I did the quiz too woohoo.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3245250

what quiz is this?

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3245251

Anonymous 3245277

>>3245117
I don't think I've encountered that, but I've noticed that "States Rights" generally means "I want a federal law for this but I know I won't get one so maybe I can at least get my way at a local level." There are plenty of memes like this where people attack the process because they lost via the process, not because they actually disagree with the process.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3245310

>>3245277
States rights makes sense for a lot things.

Take minimum wage. The cost of living in Alabama is a fraction of what it is in California. It wouldn't make sense for them to have the same minimum wages. Calaforna's would need to be higher to compensate for the price of living there.

But that would create an incentive for business to move to Alabama, where they could pay employees lower pay(as measured in dollars)while giving them. higher pay(as measured in purchasing power).

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3245311

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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3245319

God damn

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3245323

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>>3245311

>Even more of a hippie than me


Cheater!

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3245327

Y'all a bunch of hippie communists

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Ha.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3245353

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>>3245347

Site confirmed for invalid

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>>3245353
Butthurt detected.

Anonymous 3245367

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>>3245310
If minimum wage should depend on cost of living, then we could have a national law that sets the minimum wage in each region based on a particular cost-of-living index.

>that would create an incentive for business to move to Alabama

Well, sure, but isn't that a feature. If a business can operate just as well somewhere cheap as somewhere expensive, it should move to the somewhere that's cheap. That's generally good policy and efficient use of resources.

Of course, that's only efficient if the cheap place is actually cheap -- not merely low on regulations so that you can push your negative externalities onto the surroundings.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3245369

>>3245355

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Party_%28United_States%29

>The party believes that the United States is a Christian nation founded on the basis of the Bible and that jurisprudence should be restored to what the party claims is its "Biblical foundations".[13] It has been described by its critics as a theocratic party, as with its predecessor, the U.S. Taxpayers Party.[14][15][16][17] The Constitution Party advocates a platform which reflects the Party's interpretation of the principles set forth in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States, the Bible, and the Bill of Rights.


Yeah, no thanks

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>>3245369
HAHAHAHAHA!

Wat.

Probably cause when they asked the question if I wanted to remove all instances of God on state currency I said no.

That shit's funny doe.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3245385

>>3245379

Such a misleading name

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>>3245385
Most of the questions were silly.

Funny part is the site seems to think I side with everybody. I don't have less than a 75% across most of the board.

I should get an award for breaking it.

3245416

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I think what it is, is that while I answered a lot of questions similarly to this particular party, my reasons for giving those answers are DRASTICALLY different.

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3245422

>>3245416

I get what you mean. My reasoning for keeping God on the money was anyone who'd get offended over that ought to be laughed straight out of the country.

3245440

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>>3245422
Well yeah. Plus, reprinting all the bills and such would be a waste of resources. It is what it is.

Also, the one that asks if we should raise property tax in order to lower income tax. I said no. But that is because my basis for this is that most property is owned by a few individuals, overall. What this means is that if we force taxes on the people that own the properties and lighten taxes on everyone who makes income, we are going to be crunching the economy by dumping the burden on the main economic arteries.

The Constitution Party's reason is because they support the rich and income tax can be spoofed due to red tape, and they don't want to pay higher taxes on all the property they own. Returns on investments do not count as income in the normal sense and can be used to cut income tax costs from what I know. This is a shitty thing to do, but overall trying to force the bulk of taxation on the minority of the population is going to create an economic chokehold.

I also said that illegal immigrants should not have access to government subsidized health care. The CP wants to just deport illegals. I don't fully agree with that, but my stance is simply: "If you don't pay taxes, you shouldn't have access to government subsidized anything."

Etc.

Solstice 3245447

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I got mainly democrat last time I took this thing. I seem to have deleted my results image

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Also, it mismatched me with the green party due to my stance against Fracking and drilling.

I could give two fucks about the environmental impact. The problem is that we are too reliant on oil as a nation and it's stunting our economy. We need to force energy companies to diversify because as it stands the oil monopoly on the energy market which is creating an economic sinkhole which is strangling the flow of funds.

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3245458

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>>3245447

>Crisp

>BBQ

3245462

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I don't fit well into political charts because I have no allegence to any of the players.

I have no allegence to the rich.
I have no allegence to the poor.
I have no allegence to religious right.
I have no allegence to government right.

My only allegence is to efficiency and productivity. I don't care who wants what.

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3245467

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TERRORSQUID

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>>3245467
I am triggered by people being triggered.

Eliza!zIANOLEeck 3245483

>all these people who didn't click the "other answers" box
this is why your results are bad

Anonymous 3245949

>>3245422
>>3245440
"In God We Trust" really doesn't belong on our government shit, but it would be silly to go to some big hassle just to remove it. I figure next time we're updating our money minting/printing, just don't include that shit on the new designs. Bam, no hassle.

Also, fuck the penny, get rid of that shit.

Agiri 3246020

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>>3245311
>>3245247

absolutely haram

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3246291

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HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3246293

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HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3246295

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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3246782

>>3246020

I'm surprised

Crimson Risk !RISkQqf4EM 3247842

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Crimson Risk !RISkQqf4EM 3247845

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Anonthony!AppLeJAcK. 3247898

>>3247845
tfw not living in a place that believes what i believe

Anonymous 3247910

>>3247898
tfw living in a place that believes jet fuel can melt steel beams

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3247938

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Are you ready to have your mind blown?

Party affiliation.

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3247939

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political spectrum

wait for it...

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3247941

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How is this even possible?

3248218

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So I decided to retake this and answer using the advanced answers.

Site still seems to be confused.

3248219

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3248220

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3248241

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>>3248220
I decided to check those little red areas.

Seattle
LA
Boston
Washington DC
Chicago
Miami
New York
San Francisco
Philadelphia

Apparently all the major landmark cities in the US are the only things that agree with me.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3248389

>>3248241

Are you surprised?

Anonymous 3248397

>>3248241
>>3248389
High population areas lean liberal, low population areas lean conservative. No surprises there.

Of course, most of the land mass is low population areas, so looking at land mass instead of population it looks like a few liberal patches and a huge blanket of conservatism.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3248408

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Retook it cause it's been a while

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3248409

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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3248410

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HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3248547

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>im the furthest right person here

3248988

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i just clicked on what sounds good lol

3249018

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...and whatever the fuck this means

Agiri 3249067

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>>3247938
>>3242521

>still the most libertarian person here


git gud

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249073

>>3249018

It's a multidimensional map that includes libertarian and authortiarian (up and down) views with the economic views (left and right).

3249078

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>>3249073
oh ok

the only thing im finding is that i am mostly neutral with all this bullshit

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249096

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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249098

>>3249078

You're pretty close to exactly center. As long as you're in one of those 4 squares around dead center you're a centrist.

3249104

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>>3249096
*pets*

>>3249098
sounds good to be

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249117

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Anonymous 3249128

>>3248988
You're down with the Greens but a terrible match with the Socialists?

...maybe I don't understand what the Socialist party stands for.

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>>3249117
yw

>>3249128
thats ok, because neither do i

then again i always thought socialists were people who favor communist ideals

unless this is a different kind? idk

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249141

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>>3249135
they said i dont leave b friends at all so im trying to

3249150

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>>3249141
that would be nice. we need more /oat/meal patriots

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249158

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>>3249150
so whos all out here ?

3249172

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>>3249158
from /b/read?

well you got GA/hands, smiles, neko, me, tracer (sometimes), demon lord

about all i can name so far

and some others. hopefully once the merge gets on the way. our traffic will increase

Trixishy!.TrixiSHY. 3249181

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>>3249158
I really enjoyed that anime!

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249190

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>>3249172
and you got me now
yeah

>>3249181
i loved it too hope season 2 comes soon
also hi trixi

Trixishy!.TrixiSHY. 3249201

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>>3249190
I can't wait either, I really loved watching the two outwit every opponent.
Hi Lexi!

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249204

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Heavy Mole 3249208

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Hoh boy. Let the heartaches begin!

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249210

>>3249208

Jesus christ

Heavy Mole 3249219

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>>3249210
Who knew?

Oddly enough, I think of myself as more of an anarchist than anything. Perhaps I'm one of those "grudging" liberals.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249221

>>3249219

You're straight hippie

Heavy Mole 3249233

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>>3249221
Surely you mean "pussbag".

Agiri 3249234

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>>3249172

I should start posting in the /b/read

>>3249219

> I think of myself as more of an anarchist than anything


then you probably voted for the things that sounded good without considering that the questions imply that these things will be done through federal mandate?

>>3249158

This show looks gorgeous.

Is it good?

And that girl kinda looks like Konata

Heavy Mole 3249241

>>3249221
Though honestly, I wasn't thinking about the practical side of these questions until about two thirds of the way through. So it's pretty much straight up hippie daydreaming.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249245

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>>3249241

Try it again with practicality in mind. It'll come out much different.

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249258

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>>3249201
yeah and now they have to take the furfags land

>>3249204
GA ?

>>3249234
yup its good
called No Game No Life

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249262

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Heavy Mole 3249263

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>>3249234
Yes. Well, the tipping point question was whether I would require immigrants coming into the U.S. to learn English. I thought it seemed like a good idea. Then I realized, "man, how am I going to pay for that?" I'm sure with a little civil engineering there would be a better way to do it.

>>3249245
Maybe later. That was fun, though.

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249267

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>>3249262
oh hi you remember me right?
*hugs*

Agiri 3249279

>>3249263

To me, it's not so much an issue of "who would pay for it", but more-so that when the government "takes over" something, they limit the market's ability to solve the problem in a better way

the public school system is a perfect example, I think

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249286

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>>3249267

Peut-Γͺtre...

Pepper...?

Lexi !RoseHTMUBk 3249288

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>>3249286
Alexis

Heavy Mole 3249295

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>>3249279
I don't think one is inherently better than the other, as is often supposed and argued. Markets can't exist without government (businesses are bureaucracies too!) and law really has no point without enterprise.

I thought about the questions like it was a video game. I have x values; these are the rules; these are the current conditions. What do? Not the most sophisticated approach, and certainly a skill that could use some refining.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3249298

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>>3249288

...Je suis incertain

Agiri 3249304

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>>3249295

>I don't think one is inherently better than the other


It is though, because competition creates incentive

Only fools think that a system can exist free from the laws of incentives

Heavy Mole 3249318

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>>3249304
Well you know, good marketing will get you a pretty long way! I remember one of my first major disillusionments as a music performer was that, no matter how good you do what you do, you won't get anywhere without promotion. It's necessary. And there are a lot of guys who are really good at that, but their commitment to their craft is more questionable. And there were a lot of other guys who might change the world with what they were doing, if people really saw or heard it, but they were only okay or poor at promoting themselves. So, certain recent MLP season premieres notwithstanding, I have to add some nuanced qualification to the "incentive" argument.

Agiri 3249326

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>>3249318

How is that an argument against incentives?

marketing is a legitimate skill

If you have a good product but you don't market it well, you're doing the world a disservice

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3249329

>>3249304
>It is though, because competition creates incentive
That's profit

Competition regulates industry to maximize value while minimizing cost.

Heavy Mole 3249341

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>>3249326
I'm not arguing against incentive, just pointing out that the outcome is not necessarily innovation. It's an argument along similar lines of those Ayn Rand types that would contend that a person's lust for wealth would drive him to become a great doctor; well, okay, or maybe a "financial consultant" behind corporate leveraging schemes!

And marketing is a legitimate skill--just one that has nothing to do with music!

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Agiri 3249351

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>>3249329

the incentive is that you have to be better for society than the next guy

sometimes that means sacrificing profit for long-term customer loyalty

>>3249341

>And marketing is a legitimate skill--just one that has nothing to do with music!


Not true!

>If you have a good product but you don't market it well, you're doing the world a disservice

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3249425

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>have a great musical product
>market it extremely well
>everyone hears about it
>they all download your product off of thepiratebay and you don't make a cent
>the ones who actually want to pay for it pay through some subscription service that gives you peanuts
even in korea they're only able to make money off of kpops anymore because they can use them to sell stuff that people will actually buy, like food

Agiri 3249452

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>>3249425

>even in korea they're only able to make money off of kpops anymore because they can use them to sell stuff that people will actually buy, like food


Merchandise is probably the best answer to music piracy, yes

The age of paying for information is coming to an end

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3249455

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>>3249452
too bad that'll only work for a very limited amount of people. in other words, the free market is currently an active detriment to the quality of music

Agiri 3249494

>>3249455

There's other ways to make money

but the point still stands

The age of paying for information is coming to an end, whether you like it or not

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3249523

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>>3249494
>There's other ways to make money

which means less time and effort is available to put into your craft, which is going to overall make it worse

>The age of paying for information is coming to an end, whether you like it or not


im not a musician so it doesn't bother me too too much. but my point stands too...the free market didn't work for music, regardless of how much society wants or values it as an art. convenience for the consumer won out dramatically over "the good of society" or whatever you were saying the free market supports. what that tells me is that an absolutely free market doesn't work the way you think it does

Agiri 3249562

>>3249523

that's because the music industry is too stubborn to adapt

evolve or die

or, um, go out of business

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3249585

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>>3249562
nah. the music industry is adapting as much as they can, but the truth is there is no adaption to make. you're trying to sell people something they can get for free with zero effort. even bottled water has more leverage over the consumer than music

there isn't a free market solution to this problem. if you think music is good for society, then you must also think that a completely free market is not. there's no way to rectify the two positions

Anonymous 3249953

>>3249585
>if you think music is good for society
This only applies to professional music made and sold as an independent product for a mass audience. There's plenty of room for amateur work and commissions and such.

Though it is still a point of concern.

Agiri 3250026

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>>3249585

>but the truth is there is no adaption to make


that's a very defeatist attitude

there's kick starters, there's merchandise, there's concerts, there's making tie-in deals with other industries

and probably lots of other things that I'm not smart enough to think of

Every problem has a market solution if you're creative enough

Anonymous 3250041

>>3250026
>Every problem has a market solution if you're creative enough
Is there a reason to believe this or is it mere wishful thinking?

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3250051

>>3250041
How about the fact that there are 7 billion people on this planet, every one capable of creative problem solving and everyone having a financial incentive to solve market problems.

Bᴦΰ₯¦ΰ΅¦α‘―maᴦe!BLaZerPcEw 3250111

>>3250051
they also have financial incentive to pretend to solve problems, financial incentives to convince you their solution works regardless of if it does or not, sometimes it goes so far as to convince you of a problem that doesn't exist and solution that doesn't even mean anything. The corporate world is a boring, terribly dry insane asylum of marketing words.

Agiri 3250756

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>>3250041
>>3250111

Oh my God...

I can't. I just can't.

Someone else can deal with these people, I just don't have the fucks.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3251441

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>>3249953
>This only applies to professional music made and sold as an independent product for a mass audience. There's plenty of room for amateur work and commissions and such.

as time goes on those will become less and less profitable as well

>>3250026
>there's kick starters
1 and a million chance independent of the quality of your product and getting worse, will be a short-lived trend

>there's merchandise, there's making tie-in deals

again, will only work for a very limited number of people with enough celebrity for it to be worth it in the first place
and that's also a number of people that's going to dwindle as time goes on and the music business withers

>and probably lots of other things that I'm not smart enough to think of


and apparently neither is anybody else in the industry after like 15 years or whatever dealing with the issue. i dont see how this is defeatist since what i'm saying is there's a way to fix the problem that -isn't- the free market

>>3250051
and the solution offered by the free market is to find a different job

Agiri 3251465

>>3251441

So what is your solution to the problem, then?

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3251474

>>3251465
the strong arm of der law

Agiri 3251482

>>3251474

you wanna go after music pirates?

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3251487

>>3251482
well since i pirate assloads of music every day no
but that's what i would do if i was a responsible and glorious leader

Heavy Mole 3251641

Alternatively, people could just take the market approach and buy what they like to support it.

Heavy Mole 3251651

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Here's some level-headed reading on the subject:

http://www.treygunn.com/blog/2010/7/19/free-downloading-and-the-creative-process-part-one.html

In the follow-up, he addresses questions and surveys many of the major points in the issue, from the POV of a working musician:

http://www.treygunn.com/blog/2010/7/28/the-whinging-musician-and-downloading-part-two.html

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3251668

>>3251641
that's a personal approach, not a market one. the point is that people WON'T do that, and they've proven it

Heavy Mole 3251673

>>3251668
By "market approach" I mean conceiving of myself as an agent participating in a market system, i.e. "voting with my dollar".

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3251678

>>3251673
yes; but those votes have already been counted and it isn't enough to sustain music as a business

Heavy Mole 3251688

>>3251678
I do my part.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3251696

>>3251688
but the majority of the consumer base is not. that is the problem

Heavy Mole 3251701

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>>3251696
You should really read those articles I linked! They're not polemical. I think you'll find them genuinely interesting.

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>>3251701
i did read it (actually i read this years ago), i'm just not getting the point you're trying to make by posting it. you're presenting it as if it suggests that, if we band together and all just decide to pay for music, that the problem would go away. i don't see that as a thing that's going to happen, and tbh at this point it's almost like suggesting that the industry should be running off of donations

Agiri 3251794

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>playing new leaf
>become mayor
>find out all public infrastructure is built through donations

>New Leaf is libertarian af

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3251835

>>3251678
should music be a business?

Thauma!TURTLEsW8. 3251848

>>3251835
Why shouldn't it?

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>>3251835
the way i see it there's 3 options: public funding (iffy), tightening intellectual property laws to prevent piracy/compensate musicians when it happens (which isn't guaranteed to work), or to do nothing and indirectly force musicians to support themselves through other means which would reduce the quality of music overall as they'd have less time/effort to contribute to their projects (outside of a few select people who manage to leverage their music and popularity into celebrity/financial gain)

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>>3251715
Actually the "problem" is the same problem that's always been involved in making music for a living, just with different structural parameters. And yeah, if we engage conscientiously rather than go by the "I refuse to pay for it out of principle" route, then something more is possible (and the digital infrastructure to support that kind of engagement is developing all the time).

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy (Element of Self-descriptive Usernames) 3251955

>>3251848
Well I keep hearing people complain about musicians selling out and the industry being about money not art.

>>3251859
Or finding other ways of monetizing your work.

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>>3251955
I would have more respect for music in the modern age if 90% of songs were not just repeating the same line over and over again for 80% of the song.

The only band allowed to do this is Daft Punk because that is basically their trademark.

Lisbon!EZSlut7tis 3252075

>>3252040

I'd have more respect for music and other things if they weren't being made solely to make a profit.

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>>3252075
Profit is fine if it was actually worth what people are paying for it, but most of the time it isn't.

This is half because artists have gotten lazy and half because people have gotten easier to please.

To be a successful musician in the past, there was work involved. You had to put together a good demo, you had to travel from station to station trying to get on the radio. You had to play local gigs in front of real people and NOT FUCK IT UP live 3 times a week to get people to know who you are.

Now, you can download a program that synthesizes 400 different instruments and just upload shit on YouTube and hope people like it.

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Oh, and the people you are trying to impress are the same people that think Candy Crush is entertaining.

HolyGhost!Grimes./iQ 3252608

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>>3252040
the majority of music will ALWAYS be bad. that's just how stuff works: mediocre people make mediocre music, they're mediocre at their jobs, etc. the world goes round. complaining about that is like complaining about rain. but when you have more musicians, you're going to statistically also have more BETTER musicians

>>3251942
it's always been a struggle (like any line of work) but it's changed dramatically. even the absolute highest level of the industry is barely making money anymore, and that's with them STILL taking 99% of the profit of any of the musicians they "own."

and it has nothing to do with principle, that's just how people work. as a rule people don't buy for the long term. and that's the absolute only benefit that buying music has to anyone at all, in addition to it being less convenient, more difficult/impossible to obtain a lot of music legally, and other difficulties

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>>3252608
The benefit of buying music, or at least engaging in some kind of financial way with a musician, is that it supports the process that helps make the music possible. In a way, online infrastructure is even better than the old Big Industry model because it enables a more direct cash flow between artist and audient.

It doesn't require that everyone pay for all media they consume. That's old model thinking. But it does require that some people be conscientious about how they enjoy what they enjoy. I think it's within a reasonably intelligent person's capacity to do this.


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