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Horsefuc/k/ers thread BATTORU RAIFU edition 2954431[View All]

1. Battletoads
What do you personally define as a "battle rifle"? Do they still have place in modern warfare?

2. I want to cum inside-
What is your favorite battle rifle design? Why?

3. inb4 SHTF
What are the most widespread (if any) firearms in your immediate area? What caliber is the most common in your immediate area?

4. Future is coming, hide the watermelon
Caseless ammo, recoilless cannons, exoskeletons, dem drones, and so on. Which science fiction (or just underused) armament would you like to see come to life? What effect would it have on combat in general?

5. OPERATOR
Operator.

6. Just like cowadooty!
Let's say you have a free pass for one modular attachment for any firearm, within reason. What do you get? Doesn't even have to be legal where you live.
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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257511

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>>3257501

>People in CA are allowed to carry guns. They just need a permit to do so. If people wanted it so badly they could easily do so, but obviously they don't want it that badly since it doesn't seem to happen often.


Permits that are functionally unobtainable without connections, which you would know if you looked into it.

But, this is changing soon, thankfully.

http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-concealed-weapons-20141113-story.html

http://www.contracostatimes.com/breaking-news/ci_26923155/concealed-gun-ruling-stands-appeals-panel-wont-revisit

http://www.scpr.org/news/2014/04/14/43439/good-cause-gone-orange-county-sheriff-issuing-conc/

Thousands of people are jumping on this because it's actually becoming possible to do. You can't practically bar people from doing something and then say they didn't want it anyway because you've made it too difficult to even attempt.

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>>3257497
Also, you don't seem to understand human mentality.

If you allow open carry, then people will visibly know someone is carrying a gun. This will instinctively make them feel vulnerable, prompting them to also go out and buy a gun, until everyone is carrying one. Once that happens, those that don't are now at a major disadvantage against those that are, making them pretty much forced to also buy one just to be able to function in society.

So yes, instating open carry will easily lead to owning a gun being essentially manditory, lest you want to feel like a guppy in a shark tank.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257526

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>>3257515

>Also, you don't seem to understand human mentality.


I think you overstate your understanding

>Other people having guns will make people want to buy their own


Not really, if they're as hoplophobic as you seem to think then I doubt they would do that.

>Once that happens, those that don't are now at a major disadvantage against those that are, making them pretty much forced to also buy one just to be able to function in society.


Yes, they would be at a major disadvantage when it comes to protecting themselves from criminals, while their fellow law abiding citizens who arm themselves will be more capable.

As far as functioning in society, nah, no advantage there.

>So yes, instating open carry will easily lead to owning a gun being essentially manditory, lest you want to feel like a guppy in a shark tank.


Sounds like a personal problem. Feelings don't come into play, nobody is legally forcing anyone to do anything.

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>>3257526
Oh, see where I live the criminals don't wear big jackets that say "criminal" on the back so it's hard to tell who is one and who isn't. So maybe that's why I don't see how that would help matters.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257538

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>>3257532

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but it's irrelevant regardless.

You can't preemptively restrict a person's legal right to carry because they might commit a crime.

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>>3257538
No, but "being able to protect yourself from criminals" might as well be saying, "being able to potentially protect yourself from every human being you ever encounter".

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257546

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>>3257542

And you see a problem with that?

You should have the capability to protect yourself from anyone.

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>>3257546
I don't see everyone as a potential threat because the majority do not have a means to instantly kill me, so I do not have to stress out about it nearly as much. If everyone had a gun, I WOULD have to worry about every single person I meet.

What part of that don't you get?

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257568

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>>3257558

>I don't see everyone as a potential threat


That's your choice, and it's one that carries inherent vulnerabilities.

>the majority do not have a means to instantly kill me


Unless they're a cripple, they absolutely do.

>so I do not have to stress out about it nearly as much


You don't have stress about it either way if you'd take proper precautions.

>If everyone had a gun, I WOULD have to worry about every single person I meet.


No, because 99% of people aren't going to try and hurt you. And everyone being armed would make that 1% who might rethink their decision.

What part of that don't YOU get?

You're afraid of everyone else to the point that you want to make them all victims instead of trusting them with tools that enable better self defense.

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>>3257568
I live in a world where people will start brawls in a McDonald's over being overcharged by 40 cents for an order of McNuggets. The last thing I want is these people having access to firearms.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257576

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>>3257573

They'd probably get into fewer fights if they did.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257580

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>>3257576
No. They really wouldn't. They would get into the same amount of fights, but more people would die as a result.

If you're going to get into a FIST FIGHT over MCNUGGETS in a McDonald's, rational thinkibg thinking is PROBABLY not your strong suit.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257583

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>>3257581

>No. They really wouldn't. They would get into the same amount of fights, but more people would die as a result.


Except that's wrong.

Violence goes down in areas that allow carry.

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>>3257583
I call bullshit.

You put guns in the hands of the average person and this is what you're gonna get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4LHDKrUnd8

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>>3257583
See, where you and I differ is that you are afraid of criminals.

I'm not afraid of criminals. Criminals are logical. They have a goal. They want something, and when they get it, they have no reason to hurt you. They have an objective they are trying to complete and because of that they are predictable.

Average people who are just angry are not logical. They are not predictable. They want to hurt you to make themselves feel better. They can't be negotiated with. They can't be reasoned with. They are way more dangerous than the average criminal because they have no set goal. They are being violent out of blind rage and no other reason.

Those are the people you need to fear.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257642

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>>3257603

Except that's not reality

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/05/14/disarming-realities-as-gun-sales-soar-gun-crimes-plummet/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/chicago-crime-rate-drops-as-concealed-carry-gun-pe/?page=all

In your own example of people starting fights at restaurants, Virginia saw a 5.2% reduction in crimes involving firearms in the institutions that allowed customers to carry inside in the first year they allowed it.

>Gun Crimes Drop at Virginia Bars And Restaurants, Richmond Times-Dispatch, August 14, 2011, reporting data from the Virginia State Police



CC'ers are also 5.7x less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
13.5x less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public

>An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Carry Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population, William E. Sturdevant, PE, September 11, 1999


Crime rates involving gun owners with carry permits have consistently been about 0.02% of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988.

>Florida Department of Justice


>>3257621

No, Toy, where you and I differ is that I'm aware of what criminals actually can and often do to their victims.

>I'm not afraid of criminals. Criminals are logical. They have a goal. They want something, and when they get it, they have no reason to hurt you. They have an objective they are trying to complete and because of that they are predictable.


This is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CGxDk4Hsks


>Average people who are just angry are not logical. They are not predictable. They want to hurt you to make themselves feel better. They can't be negotiated with. They can't be reasoned with. They are way more dangerous than the average criminal because they have no set goal. They are being violent out of blind rage and no other reason.


Blatant delusion seeing as the facts don't agree with you.

>Fear everyone except the violent criminals


This is why nobody takes your opinions seriously.

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>>3257642
You have to fear everyone. It's just how much you fear them is based on what they have at their disposal.

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>>3257642
You are content to believe people are rational enough to let someone else having a gun deter them. I don't have that much faith in people.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257694

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>>3257649
>>3257670

I'm content to believe the facts as far as we can tell.

And they support gun ownership and carry as deterrents to violent crime.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257699

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My new Bulgarian grip came!

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>>3257694
You support them because it lets you play with your toys.

Which is fine. I just wish you would be honest about it.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257721

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>>3257713

That's just a bonus.

It is possible for a hobby to have beneficial effects on society too you know.

>I just wish you would be honest about it.


And I wish you would be honest about hating the idea of people not being totally reliant on the state.

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>>3257721
People shouldn't be reliant on the state. The state is fucking awful.

Unfortunately people cannot really manage themselves so they need to have someone manage them, so even though it's shitty, it's nessicary. Leaving people to their own devices is worse. I wish it wasn't, because then you wouldn't need a state, but unfortunately you do.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257735

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>>3257734

>Unfortunately people cannot really manage themselves so they need to have someone manage them, so even though it's shitty, it's nessicary. Leaving people to their own devices is worse.


I disagree.

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>>3257735
I'm aware you do. Unfortunately you are not correct. I wish you were. I would love for people to be responsible enough to manage themselves, but they are incapable of doing so. They require leashes, cages and pens simply to prevent them from distroying each other.

Maybe one day they can get past this, but that is not today.

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The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3257915

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>>3257745

>I'm aware you do. Unfortunately you are not correct.


But you're the one who's wrong. It's been demonstrated over and over.

If you want so badly to be a slave, go to North Korea.

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>>3257915
See, here's the thing. There is a gradient of "freedom" between "total anarchy" and "total oppression" that you seem to be completely oblivious to.

Just because you have SOME rules doesn't mean you hate freedom. It's just that some people will fall off the edge of the stairs without a handrail and then wonder why the person who built the stairs hates them so much.

Being trapped inside a plexiglass box seems like shit until you realize there is a whole pride of lions outside said box, then that box becomes a pretty nice place to be.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3258194

>>3257999

>SOME rules


Right, just enough to take away anyone's ability to prevent abuse, so that you can make whatever rules you want!

If you think people are so unable to take care of themselves, why do you trust the people in government? They're human too you know, they're not magically superior to everyone else no matter how much you want to believe they are.

Your cognitive dissonance amuses me.

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>>3258194
I don’t trust the people in the government. I never have.

But the system is a meat grinder. Once you get in the gears there is only so much room to move before it eats you alive. Don't trust people in the system. I trust the system itself because it holds the people in it by the neck and makes what they are capable of limited enough to be predictable.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3258226

>>3258214

Lol, you have no idea...

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>>3258226
Really?

Then why are you the one always shocked when you hear things that the government is doing?

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3258231

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>>3258228

I'm not shocked, I'm disgusted. There's a big difference.

Your complacency with it is just about the only thing that surprises me.

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>>3258231
It's because being disgusted serves no real purpose.

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>>3258237
I guess I should elaborate.

Disgust is an emotional response. Like panic, anger or sadness.

Emotional responses cause biased reasoning. Once you've inserted emotional bias into the equation, it starts to skew your views of the situation. You start marking things as "bad" and "good", which is counter productive. Because then you try to eliminate the bad and keep the good without realizing that it doesn't work that way.

It's like trying to solve a Rubix cube by doing one side at a time. You can't do it. You have to get everything to move into place at the same time. You can't just get one side right and then try to get the others to line up without breaking it. It's futile.

Having some good and striving to keep it pristine will not allow you to fix everything because you're limiting your options based on your own emotional bias.

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>>3257699
huh, that looks pretty nice

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3258607

>>3258570
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It looks like it belongs rather than the American one I had on there.

Snowbell galaxy 3262553

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New workbench is coming along.

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3262590

>>3262553

Is that a pipe with railroad spikes on it

Snowbell!MbICrazyYs 3262634

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>>3262590

Yaes, is the "tomahawk" from FO;NV Honest Hearts.

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>>3262590
You didn't know that one of Snowbell's hobbies is recreating real life versions of Fallout weapons? I would not be surprised if he has a working Shishkabab or Rock-It-Launcher.

Snowbell galaxy 3263397

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>>3262796

One of mates wants me to build a bear trap fist, though I could that sounds really, really dangerous.

Also, bear traps are expensive.

Nohorse !8AbeAPw8Wo 3265038

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Can't put my hands in my pockets.
Don't have a Concealed Carry permit.

Agiri 3270360

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>mfw I JUST realized the thing on top of the spas 12 is a folding stock

Snowbell!MbICrazyYs 3270412

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>>3270360

The umbrella handle looking thingy is an arm brace for firing one-handed.

Agiri 3270645

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>>3270412

Right, so then you could have two of them. Makes sense.

I always thought it was like a carrying handle/rear sight hybrid like on the M16

The Reverend Hands!Slavshit.Y 3270655

>>3270225

>That winged spear


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