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Future of /fic/ - Electric Boogaloo 7185

#ImageBoardProblems #ThisThreadAgain

Let’s not beat around the bush here… /fic/ is dying. What was once a fairly vibrant community that attracted newcomers and new threads daily is now a board where month-old threads are still on the front page.

But what to do? Well, we’ve been asking this question for some time. The same old ideas get thrown around a lot—contests, advertisements, more reviews, etc. These are all good solutions, but they still don’t address the elephant in the room.

We’re split between two websites.

Facing facts: MLPchan has not provided much organic traffic from other parts of the site. It’s pretty much just been us here for the last 8 months. The few outsiders who have come around to stay came as their own community, deciding to stick only to their own threads that could just as well go in /anon/. By contrast, Ponychan’s /fic/ is still getting posts in it from curious outsiders looking in.

The only way to sustain a community is if there are new members joining as old ones leave. Without this influx of new users, we are left with what we have now.

So I wonder if moving back to Ponychan is a possibility. I decided to reread the last thread of the move discussion (reading that thread in hindsight is kind of depressing; do not recommend), and the prevailing points of contest regarding the move were:

– Edit feature
– Auto-reloading threads
– Replies displayed in post header
– Collapsible text
– Dedicated mod
– Mature content allowed

The first four are all already implemented at Ponychan by default, so those issues are already solved. All that’s really left are those last two points. To figure out if they were non-starters, I contacted Ponychan staff about them.

Regarding a dedicated mod, Seattle_Lite was offered the position a while back, took it, then sort of went AWOL, so they’re obviously interested in providing this. I was offered the role should it be deemed a beneficial solution.

Regarding mature content, I discussed with Orange whether or not Ponychan would allow posting of mature-rated content in /fic/. I described it to him as this:

> WebFaction don’t allow stuff that’s “lewd or pornographic”

> What is and isn’t pornographic could be slightly open to interpretation. one definition is “obscene pictures, writings, drawings, motion pictures, videos, or the like intended primarily to cause sexual arousal and having little or no artistic merit”
> I think in most cases it’s easy to tell whether an author is approaching such material in an artistic manner or not.

To which he agreed that that could work and he’d be willing to implement a filter. I presume some additional clarification will be required as to what is and isn’t okay, which is what I hope to get from this thread.

The main take away here is that the Ponychan staff are willing to accommodate /fic/’s requirements. I propose we consider a move back to our old home and that any problems with such a decision be raised so that we can see if they may be addressed.

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#thisthreadagain indeed.

The inevitable response to what I have to say is going to be "then this thread wasn't for you," but all the same I'd rather say it rather than saying nothing.

I've made some friends and contacts, I know how to reach these people, and I'm just generally less married to /fic/ as a unit. If this board falls silent and its members are scattered to the winds, then the people I would have met here might find landfall elsewhere, and maybe I will meet them there.

I want the best for /fic/ and all that it represents, and I hope that it can become–or, rather, continue to be–something really good.

However,

I would like to encourage everyone to adopt my mindset, and be open to the possibility of merging or radically changing,

And I would like to say that no matter what happens in this thread, there is no way that I will not find it to be pointlessly protracted and, possibly, petty.

This sounds like a goodbye post, but really, you haven't gotten rid of me in any meaningful way–sorry about that.

Anonymous 7188

So what is it that /fic/folk want more of?

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>>7188
We really just want more writers who genuinely want to improve their writing. The problem is that there's really no incentive to get your story better than "good enough." Why bother posting a great story when an okay one will get the same viewcount?

Anonymous 7190

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>>7189
Well, there's that, but isn't there another angle? It's my impression that "write a lot, edit a little" is generally the best strategy for improvement. Polishing one story to within an inch of its life will get you the best story in the short term, but it slows growth, and it's also less fun.

How to motivate more better writing?

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>>7190
Well there's a difference between editing a little and only bothering to make sure that your story is free of obvious surface level problems.

Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 7192

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>>7191
^this.

As to the OP, I don't bother with this site much anymore. Ponychan's my real home, and I spend a lot more time there. I vote for the move back, assuming I have enough of a hoof left in this community to vote.

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 7193

I thought Ponychan was dying too. I actually stopped going there a month or two ago.

Furthermore, Fimfiction's been burgeoning with reviewing groups. I can't speak for all of the EQD pre-readers, but with word of TTG being inactive/fractious/supplanted by /fic/ on Fimfic, and there now being other options, I've stopped directing people here too. (Of course, there are other things going on in pre-reading right now that make the process confusing, but still.)

Me, I just care about where the writeoffs are. But then, there hasn't been one for a while either.
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soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 7194

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Wierd, my post didn't post.
>>7186
You realize you're going to have to stop posting things like rainbow dash in a horse fleshlight if we go back to ponychan, right? Actually, you shouldn't even be doing that here.

As for the move, I'm for moving back to ponychan. They have the things we previously moved here for and consolidating /fic/ here won't work, but consolidating it there would. There's still the fact that nothing's sending us new traffic, but we could probably figure that out after we've got the whole gang together, as it were.

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>>7193
Not really sure about that, since a thread I made earlier today on /pony/ has now gotten over 200 posts. Granted the site definitely seems more active if you use /all/ like I do.

To add to the plan of moving back to Ponychan, I would also suggest that we become regular members of #ponychan. If we want them to add #fic to /irc/—which we do, since that'd mean more traffic—then this is something we should do. I would also suggest that we become more active in some of the fimfiction groups, though that would be more up to each individual member.

We gotta do something to bring more traffic to /fic/. They're not going to come to us if we're just sitting on our butts, doing nothing.

Grif 7196

Ohey. Look what I found.

As always, the crux of the issue has always been how insular the community has been, and how newbie-unfriendly we appear to be to outsiders. (A legacy of samurai-anon, Vimbert, Nick and Snarkle-era.)

As Present noted, the bulk of fic-reading users have now moved onto FimFic and there's nothing that will compete with FimFiction for the reasonable future. We might as well start thinking of migrating along. I'm not saying we should abandon the chans, but moving the base of operations there might do wonders if you're looking for new blood.
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7200

>>7196
I'd just like to poke in and say that there is a perfectly serviceable /fic/ group on FimFic…if anyone would like to use it.

7201

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>>7196
>>7200
Well, we tried moving to fimfic, but no one really used the group. I got a couple of discussions going, but that's it. And then it died completely when it was taken over by a tyrannical dictator…
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soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 7202

>>7201
Which fic group? Because the first was run by an absentee landlord and the second was run by someone who sort of went and made it on their own without consulting anyone and running it themselves instead of having someone the community decided on.

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>>7202
The second.

Yeah, that's kinda the problem with Fimfic groups, but I suppose we could try going back to the first one since Pascoite, Filler, and Grif are the admins.

Edit: I've made a poll. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1BGOq2ezSZVdhPuEcCOsuC4CTj1Soi0jTinZlwyMu1Fc/viewform
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Ion-Sturm 7204

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Do whatever is necessary to keep the spice reviews flowing (within practical reasons). If it means merging with another group on FimFiction, do it. /fic/ is about helping people, not a brand name (regardless how much I made a cult of impersonality for myself).

For my own end, I hardly even lurk anymore, and my one review claim in the TG was a resounding failure; I do believe I've lost the drive. Not sure how often or when anyone will see me, so take this as a sort of tenative goodbye. Hope everything works out for you folks.

Keep your stick on the ice.

7206

Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but I see this as a very compelling argument for going back to Pchan.

When you see it: http://www.ponychan.net/chan/irc/

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Reposting this here from /meta/ because I want other people to see it. http://www.ponychan.net/chan/meta/res/146852+50.html#147431

***

I've had some time to think about it, and I believe that I've figured out the real reason why /fic/ is so dead.

Back during the break between S1-2, /fic/ was the pretty much the only place to find critique for pony fanfiction if you didn't know anyone. At this point ff.net had over a thousand stories, so it really wasn't a popular place to go for Ponyfic. After Samurai's thread got a bunch of traffic then everyone wanted their own thread, so TTG was made.

But now there are loads of places to find writing critique. /fic/, as a reviewer board, is really antiquated. We really need to let go of the idea that /fic/ must be for reviews, or /fic/ will die. It should tell you something that even MintyRest can't have an active review thread.

I'll admit that, thinking on it now, the IRC really isn't a good place for review requests either. The entire idea hangs on the possibility that the EqD PRs might start sending people there, which really isn't going to happen while there are other places to ask for that.

We really need to think of something else to use /fic/ for. It sure isn't going to be for reviews…

Anonymous 7210

>>7209
…oh, is everyone in an IRC? I sort of wondered how y'all socialized without a /fic/ serial thread.

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 7212

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>>7210
At this point, the IRC channel is a more definitive home of /fic/ than either chan board is.

7213

>>7209

> It sure isn't going to be for reviews…

I suppose this is pretty much correct, at this point. But what can it be used for?

>Writeoffs

>Discussion Threads
>Social Threads
>not anon-spaghetti greentext threads
>Other events

I'm still wondering whatever happened to the first one, by the way. The main problem is, of course, that these are all passive activities—they're not active ones like reviewing. Without reviewing, we lose most of our ability to draw in people from outside; our advertising is diminished, you might say. So what do we do without enough people present or interested to make these threads/topics worthwhile?

7215

>>7213
>I'm still wondering whatever happened to the [write-off], by the way.
I had some changes to the site I wanted done before making a new event, which got done about three weeks ago. Then I was going make one for this weekend, but then I had something come up, so scheduled it for next weekend. But then the thing that I thought was this weekend was actually next weekend, and by that point it was too late to make it for this weekend, so it got kicked over to the weekend after that.

Aside from that, I don't know if I'm supposed to make the thread here or on Ponychan. I could put it on both boards, but last time I did that it just got really confusing for people, with reviews of stories (and responses, and responses of responses) getting half duplicated on both, which is just something I'd rather avoid for the sake of keeping everyone sane.

7216

>>7213
We could bring back that game Ion had going or we could try something like 30 minute ponies. I dunno, we'll think of something while the write off is happening.

>>7215
I would strongly suggest making it on Ponychan only, since Pchan's /fic/ still gets a little traffic from the other boards. I'd also really appreciate it if you put a link to #fic somewhere in the write off post. I know a few places that I can plug the write off in return.

dolfeus!doseuxbE3s 7218

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>>7215
>>7216

I agree that if you're going to have a Write Off thread in only one place, it should be Ponychan.

Anonymous 7220

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>>7218
You might tempt /anon/. They're pretty into written stuff.

Do write-offs need the competitive emphasis? I feel like they could be more exciting if writers are free to discuss ideas/what they're doing without worry of compromising objective judging (or aiding a 'competitor').

7221

>>7216
I wouldn't want people to mistakenly believe that discussion of the write-off ought to go in #fic (rather than the discussion thread made specifically for it).

>>7220
I must emphasise that people are free to talk/post about their work whenever they'd like. The write-off exists mainly for adding that competitive edge to writing.

If the issue is about compromising anonymity, you don't need to use a name to talk about your ideas. Just post with a pseudonym ("Author of <storyname>" seems popular) or as Anonymous.
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7222

>>7221
Then make it clear that the write off thread is for write off discussion and the IRC is for whatever else.

7223

>>7222
But why would I be posting about #fic when it's only tangentially related to the thread?

7225

>>7223
Because that way they're more likely to keep coming back to fic.

7226

>>7225
I don't see the relation there. It might get more people into the IRC channel, but that doesn't convert well into people contributing much on the board.

The IRC is sort of anathema to what the write-off is about. People have requested temp bans from it for the duration of the event just so they could finish their entry.

7227

>People have requested temp bans from [the IRC] for the duration of the event just so they could finish their entry.

This.

This.

Forever this.
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7228

>>7226
>>7227
Okay, forget I mentioned it then…

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 7229

You're gonna make me go back to Ponychan? :|

7230

>>7229
Is there any reason to stay?
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Anonymous 7231

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>>7230
Is there a reason to operate out of any imageboard? What purposes does a /fic/ serve better than some other space? (For a reviews-only structure, a board is probably only so-so. Threads prosper when anyone who sees them is free to post in them with minimal barriers to entry.)

If you're to operate out of an imageboard, however, I do not see an option preferable to MLPchan.

7233

>>7232

oh my god what the shit happened here why are we talking about self-inflicted shame scars and livelihoods and shit

the whole reason why i made the post that i did was in order to pointedly not be doing this

thank you for all your good work, good luck with the publication, congratulations on your new resolve, why the fuck does this have to be this way

7234

>>7233
Well it doesn't help that I had to fight off NickNack all by myself…

7235

>>7234

Nicknack was and is one of our finest.

What. The hell. Is going on here.

Ion-Sturm 7237

>>7235
Great reviewer, not so good at the whole "friendship" thing.

>>7232

Okay, what's up with all the melodrama? I don't even know where to begin with a post like this. Resolve is great and all, but this is silly.

7240

>>7237
Weren't you in the middle of finally admitting your lack of usefulness and quitting this community?

Anonymous 7241

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Um…

Be nice, please?

!!Big Macintosh ## Mod 7242

I need to lurk /fic/ more, you guys really are writers, god damn.

>>7240
Be nice, I got a report, no need for that in this thread.

7243

>>7240
I rest my case.

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>>7242
Somebody reported that?

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Present!PeRFeCt9JM 7247

>>7232
wtf

also why would you boycott #fic

7248

>>7247
It'd take too long to type up an explanation, so just read the read the thread starting here: http://www.ponychan.net/chan/meta/res/146852.html#147321

At this point, so long as #fic stays in /irc/, I don't care what NickNack does. It'll be just as futile as when Golden_Vision kicked the other admins out of the second /fic/ group and took over.

7250

>>7247
Probably would be more accurate to describe it as abstaining.
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7259

I must say dolfeus is going about this all wrong. Nothing good will happen when you just swear off something "just because". Also, giving up your name smacks nothing more of running away from facing matters. No one cares what name you take. You'll still be dolfeus. But that's me.

In any case,
>>7202
>Which fic group? Because the first was run by an absentee landlord and the second was run by someone who sort of went and made it on their own without consulting anyone and running it themselves instead of having someone the community decided on.

I fully take the blame for that. It never really took off and I just lost interest afterwards. (That was during my general downward spiral to uselessness, but still no excuse.) I'll be happy to pass it on to someone who would actually do something with the group. Much clutter would have to excised from the group, however.
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I've made a list of all the Fimfic groups that I recommend joining to be a more active member on the site. Please, have a look.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17y3q43_nkakbD3DqnhPQOchebcLsHFF741WfC4blUVI/edit

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 7266

And speaking of writeoffs, with one starting Friday, where's the thread gonna be?

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