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Where we are, and where we are going !!Bloom ## Mod 6639

Hello,

As you may have inferred, I am now mod of /fic/. You may be thinking, "But, Roger, how will you handle the mountainous responsibility of moderating /fic/'s extraordinary traffic?" Now, yes, the extreme selflessness exhibited by myself in taking this position is certainly admirable, but rest assured that this burden which I have accepted is endurable.

Jokes aside, we have recently gotten some new neighbours in the form of the "Pony Transformation Fiction General". I'm glad that everyone's been able to live harmoniously with them, even if their culture is a little different than ours. In case anyone from there is reading: Hi, I hope /fic/ has been a good new home for you.

Anyway, to get to the point of this thread: if I am to moderate this place, I think we ought to revise /fic/'s sticky. It was written in a (slightly) different time and for a (slightly) different environment. I'm not thinking about any drastic changes, rather trimming a few things down. In a previous /site/ thread, I said that the rules could effectively be boiled down to three things:

(1) Be about writing
(2) Be pony related
(3) Be non-redundant

I also said that you could probably skirt rule (2) if your stuff is good enough (read: nobody bothers to report it). (3) means don't post something that's already got a thread for it: recommendations, review requests, etc. Everything else could reasonably fall under "Etiquette".

To help brainstorm revisions to the sticky, and in consideration of the above, I ask: Why do you come to /fic/? What is /fic/? What ought it be?

Revised Sticky !!Bloom ## Mod 6641

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Directory: >>159

Welcome to /fic/, the board for pony fanfiction and all things related to it! If you have any questions or want to chat, feel free to drop by the #fic IRC.

Rules

  1. Threads and posts should pertain to written fiction.
  2. Threads should not be redundant.
    • For example, don’t make a new thread for requesting a review (which could be posted in a review thread, see >>159) or recommending/requesting a story (which could be posted in the Recommendation/Request General, >>79).
  3. If you request a review of the same story from multiple people, let each of them know you have done so.

Note: All site-wide rules still apply.

Etiquette

  • Be polite. “You’re an idiot. Twilight Sparkle would never hurt Spike,” can be revised to, “Twilight Sparkle would never hurt Spike.”
  • Before posting, think about whether or not what you’re about to say really adds anything to the conversation.
  • Stories are customarily accompanied by a title, a description, tags, and a link to the story in question (where applicable).
  • If someone thinks your story isn’t great, they might let you know. That might hurt your feelings, but that’s a risk you take when you open your work to feedback. Part of learning to write well is learning to take criticism.

Resources

Story archives

Writing guides

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Around 2 weeks ago there was a small digression in >>>/site/7087 regarding /fic/'s current state of affairs. I invite you to read that if you haven't already.

There are lot of people in /fic/. I know this because I can rattle off a fair few names of active players in this community. And yet in another time there were about as many people getting much more done. Does this mean we've gotten lazier, or simply more detached and despondent?

There have been numerous efforts to expand /fic/ to other places, one of which has lead us here. For the most part, few things have changed, and while good intentioned, I think these efforts may have been misguided. To misappropriate a quote: You can't help your fandom if you can't help your site; you can't help your site if you can't help your board; and you can't help your board if you can't help yourself. People look outward when perhaps they ought to look inward.

When the write-off last came around, this board experienced over a ten-fold boost in activity. People were writing, people were reviewing, people were reading. Afterwards, it pittered back down to idle chatting in the IRC. Is this a healthy way to approach /fic/? I don't profess to know how you ought to live your lives or what you ought to do, but if your goals are at all aligned with mine, then the answer is most likely "no".

Some sage advice comes to mind: "shut up and write".

Obviously, this can't just be fixed with some revisions to the rules. I can't make you write—I can barely make myself write—only you can.

I told Doseux earlier that "someone has to do something for others to follow". To take my own advice, I'll be opening a review thread shortly[1] and dedicating 2 hours a day to reviewing. Hopefully this can help me keep to a routine. Worst case scenario is people don't want me near their stories and I spend that time writing instead.

__________

[1] Not using TTG for two reasons: it's mainly full of incomplete stories (which I don't want to review), and I think there's a necessary distinction between stories submitted for critique and those submitted for editing.

6643

>>6642
I've had a review thread open for several weeks now. The problem isn't a lack of reviewers. The problem is a lack of writers. We can circlejerk over each other's work as much as we want, but unless there are people that desire our services, then the site won't go anywhere.

Ultimately, that's the problem with much of the rest of the board. SLP's been around for ages, but he just kind of hangs around his own advice thread and a few general threads. I post whenever's convenient, Ion just generally snarks at newpone…

The list goes on. A year ago, I'd be getting two fics a day to review (a slight exaggeration, but you get the point). Now, I've had a review thread open for nearly a month, and I've had almost no activity.

Build it, and they will come. The thing is, we have an infrastructure, but no population. The "Old Guard" is here, but we have nobody to help.

Go figure.

6644

>>6643
I don't really think there's that much of a lack of reviews, just a lack of people doing a whole lot. That includes writing and reading as much as reviewing. Given that a number of people belted out 10k+ words over the last write-off, I find it suspiciously unlikely that we can't write enough horsewords to keep ourselves busy.

Essentially, as I said in the /site/ thread, I'm concerned that people use the write-off as an excuse not to write when it isn't around, forming a poor writing schedule.

6646

>>6644
The thing is, /fic/ (when I joined, at least), was built completely around the reviewing infrastructure. That's how I came here, after all, and why I ended up joining. The point isn't to focus on people who're already here—like I said, we can't just all circlejerk endlessly over each other's new writing. /fic/ is more than a community—it's a resource, and, moreover, one that fewer and fewer people use. The people I had coming to my review thread two iterations ago were, largely, newbies to /fic/ sent here from EqD/fimfic/etc. Now, it's just the people in the IRC and the occasional driveby from NTSTS or some FimFic popstar.

Without those legions of willing, prolific, novice authors (people who I can pat on the back as Tactical whips them mercilessly for getting a 2/10), /fic/ can't really do much more than pontificate in a chatroom.

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>>6639
>!!Bloom ## Mod
But it's not even ponee.

The rest is okay, I guess.

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The write-offs have a bitter taste in my mouth for some time now. I used to think it was because I've never won one, but now I realize that that's only part of why. There are a few people on this site who I would guess, from looking at their Fimfic page, only write during write-offs. Users who post a one-shot every three to six months, and then wonder why their stories aren't as popular as the ones by authors who continually churn out mindless drek.

But on the other hand, I don't really see anything wrong with that. Not to be one of those ignorant fools, but it is fanfiction; they aren't paying you to write this. Unless your goal is to become the Cassandra Clair of Pony-fic, you can't really expect someone to write every day. One of the biggest draws of fanfic is that it keeps writing from being a job that you have to do.

I think a big part of what's brought us to our current state is how we usually treat newcomers. "Read the sticky, you idiot," or any variation there of, is not a good way to convince people to stick around. We need to greet newcomers like they're guests in our home, because that's what they essentially are. Don't say something online that you wouldn't say, face to face, to someone who might possibly have a concealed carry permit. I feel that everyone should read this: http://www.fimfiction.net/blog/172231/bookplayers-guide-to-shipping-etiquette Don't look at me like that! Yeah, it's about shipping, but the advice it gives is good beyond that.

As for the IRC, yeah it's a time sink. But I'm currently at a point in my life where it's my primary source of human contact, and I will probably die without it. Yeah, it's sad, but that's just how my life is at the moment. Thing is, I've never felt that my time there was wasted, even if we're just talking about recently aired anime. No man is an island; if you only spend you time reading and writing, then your dialog will be robotic and your characterization flat. For me, the chat has never really hurt my ability to get the words out the way other distractions might. I think it's because I think of such activities as sort of like dialog practice.

But anyway, the IRC is the glue that holds this place together. Without it, we'd just be a collection of dead review threads.

For the New Age 6650

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I think we need an updated version of (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1owVb0k43DL_fus3WVuP4M83SqRZTWhaHcs-XUCXRu9Y/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1) for the new time and place we have found ourselves in. Might help, might not, but boy is that document old and smelling slightly of moldy cheese.

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 6651

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I don't bother contributing too often to this board because there's people who largely want it to be a review board, and frankly, I hated this place when it was a review board.

You want to know why?

All of old /fic/, and still current /fic/ is where authors go to stop writing. The atmosphere and attitude of old fic led new authors to work on one fic over and over, until they either gave up on writing altogether, or until they spend months getting their fic to an acceptable level, when they could have improved far more by moving on. We joke that a lot of people in /fic/ never actually write, but it's actually a bit true. The only thing that's managed to break members out of this is roger's write-offs, but then people get a habit instead of not writing until it's write-off time.

Are we going to go back to this being a reviewing board where author's go to die? If so, I'll probably contribute even less than I am. What we really need is more threads like the write-offs that encourage people to actually write.

While I'm ranting about problems, I'm also just going to say there's ion, who largely just bothers prereaders, 'hazes' newcomers who post new threads, and uses the attach image function to simply attach the last funny thing he saw on imgur that wasn't actually funny.

The board didn't see traffic before because it was better, it was worse. It saw more traffic because more people were submitting to eqd, and more of them were being redirected here. I can guarantee you when I was directed here that the board wasn't what made me stay, it was chatting on irc. The board sucked ass.

So the question is do we want to try going back to that crappy board where creativity and activity went to die? Or do we want to try instead to become a community where authors can come to receive encouragement, feedback on ideas, and be prompted to keep writing and progressively becoming better?

>How will we attract people though? EqD isn't sending them over anymore.


/fic/ has a fimfiction group (2 in fact), and fimfiction groups can create write ups that go in a roundup posted once per month on the site's news feed. Posts about events, such as a writing month or write-off can attract people to the board. And so long as we lock ion in a dark cell down in the dungeon, they might even stick around.

The thing is, I could quite easily come up with ideas that would breathe some life into the board. I so far haven't because people have been wishy-washy about what they'd like to see from the board.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 6652

>>6651
Actually, EqD is still recommending people come here. Whether they follow the advice or not is another matter.

6653

>>6651
>All of old /fic/, and still current /fic/ is where authors go to stop writing. The atmosphere and attitude of old fic led new authors to work on one fic over and over, until they either gave up on writing altogether, or until they spend months getting their fic to an acceptable level, when they could have improved far more by moving on.
That's certainly putting the blame where it doesn't belong.

If authors want to improve, shouldn't they be asking for critique? And rare indeed is the review that says "I wouldn't change a thing." It's on the author to decide what feedback to use or not, and when to say enough is enough. If a writer can't quit re-editing his work and comes back repeatedly for reviews, that's his prerogative, and if his story catches my interest, I'll keep reviewing it. That's not the reviewer's problem or fault. And the only time I've seen a review say that an author should seek further reviews is when it was so full of problems that the author probably wouldn't be able to fix them all in one go, or the reviewer felt there were some things beyond his expertise that needed some work. Those are still well within the phase that a writer can and should be learning from the process. If he's going to obsess and endlessly edit, don't put that on the reviewing community.
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Anonymous 6654

>>6652
Yes; and at that point, really, it's up the board and the reviewers to be as attractive a resource a possible so those recommendations are heeded, both for the sake of the reviewers to have work and for the sake of the authors, who, we all admit, need the help.

Keeping the resource as attractive, easy to use and so on are concerns for the reviewers though, I suppose, rather than the site itself.

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 6655

>>6652
As an aside to this, since the ponychan/mlpchan split (and ponychan is still kicking!), the choices for review locations have multiplied and diluted. Ponychan /fic/ used to be the place for reviews because it had the best reviewers. Then a lot of those people burnt out, quit, or got sucked up into pre-reading for EQD. Are there still good reviewers here? I don't know. Are there good reviewers on fimfic? I also don't know. I haven't availed myself of any of them lately, and I've personally become detached from a lot of the free-range reviewing that goes on, opting instead to approach people in #fic or elsewhere, so it's hard to tell authors what they should be doing.

>Why do you come to /fic/? What is /fic/? What ought it be?


I come here for writeoffs, pretty much. I might come here for TTG if I didn't have so many issues with it (poor reviews, mostly).

What is /fic/ currently? I'm not sure. Mostly I just see the same threads at the top of page one, and most of them I don't really care about (I'm not into whatever topic is being discussed, I don't have a review pending to look at someone's review thread, etc.)

I'd like /fic/ to be more community based, but then I realize that my approach to and views of fanfic have evolved quite a bit from when I started out on Ponychan. The things I did back then won't quite work now. I don't know what could be put in their place. Something more interesting? Not more writing contests, though. You know how I get with those. D:
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6658

>>6651
> Are we going to go back to this being a reviewing board where author's go to die?

No. The post I made without the mod trip was me speaking as a user about how I see /fic/ and what I plan to do personally. It doesn't necessarily reflect any systemic change.

In the past when I reviewed stuff, it actually made me want to write more, and it also taught me a lot because I had to cogently explain my criticism of something.

> While I'm ranting about problems, I'm also just going to say there's ion


I agree that Ion-Sturm's behaviour is at best useless and worst destructive. In the long long ago this may have been necessary, but especially now that we have an active mod to handle rule breakers, it's entirely unnecessary.

If you see something which you think breaks the rules, please contact me through one of the many channels available (report button, IRC, email, skype), as I did before to Filler when he was mod. Backseat moderation in the case of a false positive breaks the first rule of this site ("Disruptive behaviors that prevent others from engaging in a thread are prohibited.") and won't be tolerated.

Also, I'm afraid being unfunny isn't against the rules.

> The board sucked ass.


What time frame are you talking about? The heyday of /fic/ was around September 2011. IIRC you joined sometime around December 2011.

Whether or not this place actually was better back then, the public perception of this place was a little better (or worse?). /fic/ was the place to get help with your fanfiction. That's why people would come here for that. These days, that perception is not as prevalent.

> I could quite easily come up with ideas that would breathe some life into the board.


Like in writing, it's easy to say you have ideas, but much harder to execute them. I'm interested in hearing these ideas.

> [P]eople have been wishy-washy about what they'd like to see from the board.


I agree, hence the questions in the OP. I think people could afford to spend some time in introspection to adequately answer them.

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>Fimfiction groups can create write ups that go in a roundup posted once per month on the site's news feed.
Has anyone actually contacted the Fimfic staff about this yet?

>/fic/ was the place to get help with your fanfiction. That's why people would come here for that. These days, that perception is not as prevalent.

One thing I've been wanting to do for awhile now is contact some of the people who used to post here, but left for whatever reason, and invite them back. So far I've only come in contact with Ezn and Garnot.

Ion-Sturm 6660

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>>6651
>Are we going to go back to this being a reviewing board where author's go to die?
>"author's"
>Possessive
>Not plural
Looks like you need a reviewing board.
:)

>and uses the attach image function to simply attach the last funny thing he saw on imgur that wasn't actually funny.

SLP, I am hurt.

>The thing is, I could quite easily come up with ideas that would breathe some life into the board. I so far haven't because people have been wishy-washy about what they'd like to see from the board.

"This board needs to change. I know what it needs to change, but I'm not going to say it so I can maintain a holier-than-thou position rather than risk my ideas being exposed to critical analysis."

>>6658
> In the long long ago this may have been necessary, but especially now that we have an active mod to handle rule breakers, it's entirely unnecessary.
I am a prisoner of the past. I will maintain I'm not nearly as bad now, though.

>>6659
>So far I've only come in contact with Ezn and Garnot.
Speaking of, Garnot is back online in some capacity. Might see him around in here again.

Eustatian!Wings60m9. 6662

I feel that I need to write more, take more criticism, but fix less. And certainly, I'm not going back to giving advice - that was not good for me or the authors I was trying to help. Truth is, you cannot give what you do not have. At least, I can't.

So yeah, that's right: fix less. I already write well enough on lower mechanical levels that most people can't notice beyond
> There are [stories] so delicate, so nuanced, so rich, that you can't help but linger for hours, drinking in every word and every tiny detail.
(Authentic FiMFiction comment which I appreciate but it's no different in content from:)
> This story is borderline autistic in how it misses the forest for the trees, trees for branches, branches for needles, needles for the bugs on them, and bugs for their parasitic mites.
(Only difference is first says "I like" and second is the opposite.)

Basically, the things I really need now (pacing, structure) depend on me writing more. And it took a good long break to really appreciate that (and to find my passion in what I want to write about, which folks won't understand at best or hate at worst) I don't think my time reviewing was wasted… but I can't claim that it demonstrated much competence.

If there are others who need to recognize something similar, I don't really know how to help them do that. But if anyone has ideas, that would be good.

So, folks saying "need more authors," yeah, I'll be around. Around, but offhand rejecting everything you have to say about comma placement.

Anyway, on topic.

- Gratz to Roger for c-c-c-combo-breaking the poni-themed mod names. It was like this was a pony fan site or something.
- Yes, I like the new sticky.
- I'm gonna make a flippin author thread, in which I'll talk about my stories and do the one reviewing thing I actually liked doing.

With the goal of writing and having fun and stuff.

Soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 6663

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>>6660>>6658
>"This board needs to change. I know what it needs to change, but I'm not going to say it so I can maintain a holier-than-thou position rather than risk my ideas being exposed to critical analysis."
It's more like I've come up with ideas in the past, and have since forgotten them. I am able to quite rapidly churn out ideas of decent or even good quality, and it is probably one of my strongest traits as a writer. "Ideas are cheap" rings quite true to me, and I think anyone who I've spoken to about ideas for my or their story can attest to my ability to come up with things.

So far I've only acted on two ideas: that rather basic discussion about why we write, which I think turned out quite well, and then my advice thread where I rant about various aspects of writing and accept requests on my next topic, which I also think turned out quite well.

I guess I'll start making docs with ideas more. Probably try to start a few more interesting discussions like the 'why we write' one. I've had an idea for a while where I make a thread where once a week I write half a scene (or maybe less). Then, people would finish it how they want in the responses. A sort of 'extended prompt' if you will, and everyone would get to read everyone else's takes on how the scene might play out. Anyone would be open to write their own half a scene, which would be posted if I think it's good, or rejected if I feel it's too narrow or it has some other problem that makes it not very good for the thread's purposes.

I'll try coming up with more things, but in the meantime I'll throw my hat in as an editor for the monthly roundup post we make on fimfiction (to make sure it's not too rambly).

EDIT: maybe more like once a month. And probably a new thread for each one (for visibility's sake).
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Filler 6665

>>6658
>Backseat moderation in the case of a false positive breaks the first rule of this site ("Disruptive behaviors that prevent others from engaging in a thread are prohibited.") and won't be tolerated.
Perhaps a third point, "c. pertaining to the subject matters expressed in the OP or by the thread's creator" should be added to rule one? Or put simply, "Don't derail threads."

Casca 6668

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>>6642
>Why do you come to /fic/?
These days, to check out the actions (or inaction) of the community, akin to a son in his thirties giving his parents the occasional email, the replies to which usually consist of "everything's the same, how's your end?". I also submit the occasional story for review.

I would give the TG a cleaning (and have done one story, which the author has asked me to give a second look at), except… none of the stories spark any interest in me at all. I can't muster up the enthusiasm to critique them; trying to despite this does not work too well for both parties. That, and I now have a queue of my own to tend.

>What is /fic/?

The board for fanfiction review and critique. Also write-offs, so creation counts. I will maintain that /fic/'s greatest asset is its offering to provide quality peer critique; the difference between us and Fimfic's groups, as I see it, is the gloves-off, non-hugboxy culture. There's no "oh, he was polite to me so I should listen" pressure. On the same platform, delivered in the same tone, critique can be evaluated on the basis of its own quality. Achieving a balance between blunt and rude would be nice, but it feels secondary.

>What ought it be?

Probably less rude. Less snide anon comments would be nice, and more reviewers working with authors rather than bickering with each other would mean better productivity. I mean… just looking at the TG queue would dishearten anybody looking for help. Nobody likes waiting, but when there's seemingly no end to the waiting in sight…

On a side note: congratulations on the modship, Roger. Keep up the writing competitions, even though it's a bit hollow coming from an absentee like me - there's a non-zero chance of me joining now that I actually have time to write. I for one think it brings good.

On another side note: I reckon the Fimfic group is the best avenue of reaching out. I've attempted to direct people: http://www.fimfiction.net/group/1734/seattles-angels/thread/26819/special-event-cascas-critiques; will continue to attempt to direct people, but if i had to choose a destination for the url, it'd be Fimfic. It's simply less alien to the recipient, and you avoid the whole "yuck chan" truck, misguided as it is.
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6669

>>6663
>I've had an idea for a while where I make a thread where once a week I write half a scene (or maybe less).
That's basically how the TwiDash group holds their writing contests and it seems to have worked pretty well for them. http://www.fimfiction.net/group/93/twidash/thread/22492/second-twidash-group-fanfiction-contest

>>6668
>but if i had to choose a destination for the url, it'd be Fimfic. It's simply less alien to the recipient, and you avoid the whole "yuck chan" truck, misguided as it is.
We need to be using the FimFic group more. There's really no good reason to use the chan board instead. You can even set it to notify you when a new thread is created. Then if you click "Groups" it shows you the active threads in all the groups of which you are a member.

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>>6642
>I think there's a necessary distinction between stories submitted for critique and those submitted for editing.
Well said. I half want to suggest we add that as criteria for submitting to the TG queue, but I can already see if backfiring.

>>6646
I kind of have to agree with GV here. /fic/ is a ghost town. We need more population, advertisement. Which is why I'm going to mention it in both my writing panel and the Ponychan Panel if I can, at Bronycon.
Speaking of, I was going to stream a rehearsal of that writing panel for /fic/ in the next week to a month if there's anypony interested. Make sure I know what I'm talking about, yes?



>Thread devolves into discussion about change.

We could always, y'know, drop the workshop only routine.

How about this:
*Newcomer walks in, doesn't bother to read the sticky, posts a thread saying "What do you all think of my story?"
a)Read the sticky, you dumbass!
Newcomer leaves, or tries to read the sticky and places his/herstory in the training grounds or a review thread, where it sits for weeks on end. Board becomes stagnant
b)Give them what they want. Give them your honest objective opinion of the story. Did you like it or not?
b*a)They leave, not liking your advice
b*b)They take your advice, and fix the story
b*c)They ask questions about your opinion, to which you respond with more advice and encouragement.
Board builds reputation, possibly gets a recommendation by word of mouth, and increases traffic.

Here's the problem I'm seeing. We don't have "customers". We want to convince people to come to our "store". We want to shove paperwork in their face and say "You can't come in here unless you fill this out."
I'm no marketing genius, but I don't think that's the best way to generate revenue.

6671

>>6669
I'll send Knighty/etc. a full request for a /fic/ group bump…

…Y'know? Tact's got his thing up, I have my thread up, the TG's up, we've got a bunch of other threads and discussion boards…

Fuggit. I'll do one last spin through the Group Description on the front page (as we no longer need any links back to the 'chan) and then ask him to stick it in a roundup.

6672

>>6670
Honestly, I wonder how hard it actually is to "read the sticky". Maybe we should just put, in flashing letters at the very top of the main page,

Do not make a new thread about your own story. Put it in an already existing review thread to request critique a list of which can be found here.

Or something.
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Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 6673

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>>6672
See, I think that's exactly what the problem is. We're trying to have our cake and eat it too.

Wynaut just simplify the sticky into Roger's three rules, and leave helpful documentation at the bottom? It can still advise newcomers to read it, but if we don't allow newcomers some freedom, or even attention, they won't want to come in. EqD has the luxury of turning people away because they're the one of the—if not the biggest—names in the pony fandom. Look at them when they started out. They posted anything just to get recognition, even if it wasn't fantastic. There are stories on EqD that have been there from the beginning, which would have been turned down in a heartbeat if they were submitted today. That's what we need to do. Not sacrifice quality, but perhaps pander just a bit to our much needed and extremely rare travelers and newcomers.
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6674

>>6672
That just makes the sticky unnecessarily verbose. If you noticed, my current draft is about three times as short as the current sticky, while containing the same amount of useful information.

Have a look at the sticky right now and think about what information it currently gives before the break. It doesn't explicitly outline any rules per se, rather instructions on what to do in certain circumstances (note the high usage of "if" and friends), and I believe this is why it's so confusing to many people. When a newcomer arrives with an unexpected (by us) use case, the instructions in the sticky are useless.

6683

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After a little detective work, I've dug up the emails of most of the inactive reviewers from our days at Ponychan. I have sent each one an invitation to come back to /fic/ and start reviewing again. I don't know how many will answer the call, but I feel that it's worth it if even one comes back.

!!Bloom ## Mod 6686

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The current rules state:

  1. Threads and posts should be—
    1. about written fiction; and
    2. related to FiM.

Should rule 1(b) be removed? In the past people have submitted and accepted non-fanfiction for review. I think it's more of a de facto law that doesn't need to be explicitly written in the sticky nor strictly enforced.

6687

>>6686
I think people who want other work reviewed can easily enough use email/PM's through skype/irc/whatever.

Anonymous 6688

>>6687
What is the difference really in allowing the handful of posts every few weeks that would come up regarding a review of a 1(b) work?

6690

>tfw vote yes because "on record"

6691

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>>6686
I think we don't have enough traffic here to tell people that they can't ask for critique on non-MLP stories (original or for other fandoms.) If they ask real nicely, it should be up the individual whether or not to actually help them.

Though I will fully admit that one reason I say this is because I have an original story that I'm planning to write later. I probably won't make a thread for it though.
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Dublio 6692

>>6686

For what it's worth, I think it would be fine if that restriction was removed. After all, if someone wants to review nonpony stuff, then let them. So I'll vote "Yes" as well.

Casca 6695

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>>6686
As one of the people who's submitted non-fanfiction, I vote yes to the removal.

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 6698

>>6695
Yeah, I think taking that out isn't a bad idea. If they show up and no one wants to review their story, they'll get the hint.

Of course, I say this as someone whose fics sometimes veer to far outside the sphere of "pony related".

Ion-Sturm 6701

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>>6686
I've been saying we should become a resource for any writer for a while now, so the restriction gets a thumbs-down from me.

!!Bloom ## Mod 6790

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Given the consensus, rule 1(b) has been removed from the rules in the current darft.

>>6641 has been updated to the latest draft. If there are no issues with the rules/phrasing, it will go live in a few days.

I'll be maintaining the directory from now on with the rule that any thread not posted in for 2 weeks is inactive, unless the OP convinces me otherwise.

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 6791

>>6790
>Threads and posts should be pertaining to written fiction.

"should pertain"

>Stories are customarily accompanied by a title, a description, tags, and a link to the story in question (where applicable).


Tagging and descriptions as just a point of etiquette? That seems like an invitation for problems.

>If you throw a tantrum, you will have come here to learn, and left without a single lesson.


This is a bit harsh. I'd suggest something more like, "You've come here to learn, so be open to feedback regardless of how pleasant it is to hear."

!!Bloom ## Mod 6792

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>>6791
>"should pertain"
Updated

>Tagging and descriptions as just a point of etiquette? That seems like an invitation for problems.

Not all stories posted here include those things. For example, the write-off stories don't have tags nor a synopsis, and a lot of stories in >>6087 don't even have titles. (Not to mention, I'd have to somehow define what a "story" is…) It's not something that ought to be strictly enforced.

>This is a bit harsh. I'd suggest something more like, "You've come here to learn, so be open to feedback regardless of how pleasant it is to hear."

I may just remove that sentence. It's not particularly neccessary.


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