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>When you buy a published book, you don’t see trigger warnings on the front, or promises for what your prefered gender dynamic (is it m/m, or m/f?), whether there is “hurt/comfort” or “noncon” (the worst term ever, by the way). People come in knowing exactly what they want, and often get all pissy if their expectations are subverted. People even label their endings, whether it’s a happy one or not! People need to know the ending before they start reading! I mean… what? I found that in ways like this fan fiction culture doesn’t encourage creativity, but quite the opposite. And don’t even get me started on “shipping.”

I've been saying this for ages. "Shipping" and "Alternate Universe" are the main two I have qualms with.

Same with the copyright thing. But I don't think I want to get started on that.

You Monster 4646

>>4643
>hurt/comfort

Please tell me that isn't an actual term.

What the fuck

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4654

>>4643
The obsession with tags is pretty extreme. I barely pay attention to them myself, but ye gods did some people bitch and moan about the lack of a [Tragedy] tag when I had a depressing ending in Twilight, Revised.

It caught me off-guard because call me crazy, but I like, y'know, some surprise in what I read, so I check tags for genre just so I can avoid things I usually dislike (pony porn, etc).

>>4646
I remember seeing it an awful lot back in the day when I'd browse fanfiction.net on occasion. It's fairly common in most fandoms' fanfic, if I can make a broad over-generalization.

4656

>>4646
Character A gets raped/abused/seriously injured and Character B helps them cope.

Basically CiG's Reading Rainbow. And yes, in certain fandoms, it's quite common.

4664

>>4654
To be fair, if anything deserves to be considered a genre it's tragedy. The very oldest form of Greek theatre is tragedy, followed by comedy. The two biggest categorical differences you can make with a story, I think, is whether it's a tragedy or a comedy.

Admittedly we've branched out a bit off from Greek theatre. You could say drama is a superset of tragedy without the implied bad ending, but just as well The Three Stooges could be said to be a "drama".

But I sure would rather "tragedy" to "dark", "grimdark" or (God forbid) "grimlight". Eyuck. (And what purpose does the "random" tag have other than to be an excuse for bad comedy, really?)

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4667

>>4664
I don't see the Tragedy tag used in this fandom so much as a genre as a "WARNING THIS HAS A SAD ENDING" sticker, and I absolutely loathe that. I'm not arguing its existence as a genre or not.

I think Random was meant for things vaguely Dadaist in nature that disregarded all rules and logic. That's largely not what it's used for, sadly.

Anonthony!1NZ....... 4702

>>4667
>>4664
I'd have to agree with vimbert on that, in that anything people do or would likely tag "tragedy" would just be some adolescent interpretation of dark & edgy "sad ending", rather than anything remotely resembling legitimate literary tragedy.

>>4654
As far as the overall use and obsession with tags in fanfiction versus regular fiction, the reason is pretty simply of course; people picking up a book know what they're getting into - they're starting to read it because they know the author, or the genre, or the topic of it in advance. Whereas fanfiction does not have that luxury. And people tend to read a lot more fanfics in a span of time, given their short and usually easily digestible nature. And with the glut of fanfics in any given genre, tags are just the natural result of wanting some way to filter the type of things readers are interested in and connect authors to their target readership, in a medium where there is very little name recognition (save for a small handful of authors) and little to no way otherwise to know in advance what genre a story will be.

Good Thing I'm So Organized 4704

>>4664

Let me make sure I actually know this.

In comedy, the status quo sucks, but things go from bleak to humorous anyway.

In tragedy, the status quo gradually gets worse and worse until there's a big climax at the end.

Is that about right?

4710

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>>4704
No. That's pigeonholing them. They could be made across a thousand different variations. Tragicomedy is also a thing (for example, Burn After Reading).

Tactical 4721

The OP link is very interesting and rings true in a lot of ways.

Because I'm a cynic and a postmodernist and I hate the "culture surrounding fanfiction" no matter how gleefully I participate in it.

However, much of it doesn't apply to /fic/ at large.

>Because unlike other practice settings, fan fiction is not meant to be a workshop. Obviously this is not true for everyone, but so many fan fiction writers don’t do what they do to become better writers, they do what they do because they had a gratuitous idea about an established property and wanted to post it on the Internet, while enjoying heaps of praise for minimal effort in the process.


I think it's abundantly clear that we here try to enjoy a balance of "gratuitous ideas" and "writing to become better writers." I know that the latter is actually my primary goal in writing fanfiction, above any other aspect.

I like that the article balances criticism of the status quo with defense of "pointless" writing like we do here.

>From EL James to James Joyce, all of it is gratuitous to the author. Sometimes you’re working with copyrighted characters, sometimes those characters are your own. But I would posit, what is the difference between the comic book fan who grew up to write professionally the same characters she idolized as a child? Money, and intellectual property. Profit and copyright.


>What an arbitrary line in the sand to draw when deciding if something is worthwhile or not. Whether or not it’s shameful, whether it’s a totally waste of time, depends on what the individual makes of it.


I feel like this echoes near-exactly the feelings of /fic/ on the matter.

Good Thing I'm So Organized 4723

>>4710

I meant Greek comedy and Greek tragedy.

4724

>>4723
I'm sure even they had a few mold-breakers. Still, from what I know, having a tragedy that ended in actual tragedy, instead of getting Deus Ex Machnima'd, was something people would riot and form lynch mobs over. Not much room for experimentation there.


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