I agree. I would be foolish to say that there would be no price for quality; you get what you pay for. While the artists taking requests are free, the reason they are taking requests is because many of them are practicing and simply do not have either the skill or are in such demand as to make such a ridiculous claim that they are worth 5 dollars for a basic sketch.
However, let me tell you a small story:
I once asked an artist for permission on their work. >pic related
I traced it down, trawling through sites like Deviantart, Even going so far to bother poor Seth on EQD, simply so I could have a name to work off of in my searches. To say the least, he did not exactly know how to contact them.
and only through sheer luck did I find the piece I desired, which was the result of clicking on works that simply had a similar art-style and then looking through several galleries for the piece.
Upon finding it, I dropped a request in the comments section to ask for the artist’s permission, for I wished to show them the proper respect and acknowledgement for their hard work. Several days later, I checked up on it, but there was no reply. Acouple weeks past, and still no luck. I had to acknowledge the simple fact that the artist likely did not make a regular habit of checking through the comments, just to see how many people are asking about using it for a /fic/ and so, after a time, I gave up and looked for other pieces (I ended up using a screencap, as I was fairly certain I would not step on anyone’s toes through using such a thing). I’ve just gone back and looked again, finding the piece after yet another bout of searching and re-searching. My request was made in April 28th of 2012. And there has still been no reply, so I think I was right to not wait for it.
And that is the conundrum I think can frustrate both and artist and a writer. Unless you establish a name for yourself, you simply cannot find people willing to look at your work and then use it for their own, growing both of your reputations simultaneously.
And, even should
you establish a name for yourself, many artists and writers need to be tracked down in some way, which can be exceedingly
difficult. How many stories like mine exist? I don’t think Mr. Joseco was being rude, because my comment is simply one among what must be hundreds
of the little buggers. How could he ever know about one, little writer, that liked his work enough to want to try and use it? How many big names can really afford the time to scroll through miles of comments, be it all praise or hate, and try to find the people we don’t know who want to use our work for things we might have never heard of?>>4001
You’re on the right track, but you’re thinking just a little too small.
Picture me someday completely losing my mind. One day, in a fit of said insanity, I decide I want to make the comic. No, not a
comic. One that’s so mind-blowingly awesome, it has to be outlawed for causing spontaneous combustion of the cranium on sight.
However, all I have is the story idea and the writing for it. The last time I tried to draw something, a kindergartener laughed at how bad it was. And it only got worse from there.
So, I bring it to the board and say “I have this. Who wants to help me?” Maybe someone will claim it, asking for a slight favor in return. They’ve got some works that can do with improvement, be it an artwork that needs a nice story behind it, or a story that could do with a read-through. I do so, and the art they make for me is so good, I will jealously defend them as best I can. I want their art so much, I create worlds for them to synch with their art, in exchange for pieces to go with my own work.
Or, let’s take it the other way. I’m an artist, creating works surreal and heart-wrenching. However, my ability to write leaves people retching in the streets. I have pictures in my mind, but I cannot for the life of me attach any sort of meaningful words to express them. I create characters who look awesome, but cannot give them anything to do that wouldn’t attract cries of “SUE!” and an immediate pelting with rotten fruit.
So I drop off a few samples of my work, some drawings of my characters and my scenes and ask “Can someone put these together?” After a time, someone agrees. Maybe they like my work so much, they want me to do a few more drawings for them just so they can put them to their own stories. I become valuable, and soon, writers are practically clawing at each other for my work. As my choices grow larger, I can pick and choose, selecting the stories that interest me simply because they interest me or because I like the author in question.
The thread wouldn’t be made to encourage simply getting stuff for free; no, far from it. It’s a place where someone can say “I can do this, so who can do that?”: a way for someone to give their services and attract interest in their work.
It’s sort of like the TTG is now. I can submit a story and just wait for someone to take a look, sure, but I only really
get noticed if I start participating and helping out, both in the thread and on the board. The thread wouldn’t be made to encourage simple mooching, no, far from it. It’s a place where someone can say “I can do this; so who can do that?” thus helping remove a layer of difficulty from an artist and a writer finding one another.
I wouldn’t need to wait on Mr. Joseco for over a year, growing more and more frustrated at the endless wait of a dead-end I don’t know how to escape. I could drop a request on the board, and wait for someone to bring up how to find him so that we could actually talk. Or I could look for someone with a similar style, and someone could make a suggestion, and I could look into it. Or someone could look at my story, say “I really want to draw something from this” and then offer a service to me, maybe in exchange for a few moments of my time and effort on a few of their own projects. From which I still
benefit, as it’s a way for me to constantly hone and practice my own art, just as surely as it is one for them.
Shoot, even commissioners could get something out of such a thread. What better way to sell yourself than the occasional sample of your work? Even if they only came once in a blue moon, and did nothing but offer advice and counsel to the artists there, they could still get their own voice heard; which can draw interest and mayhaps even customers. Even better yet, a commissioner could find people to assist them in their own projects by the bushel for the mere promise of art to the one he likes best. Flash games and comics need good writing, pony or otherwise, as well as nice visuals. People need inspiration for their next steps, and what better way than a place where ideas might be practically bouncing off the walls that particular day like a Story-Forge on the world’s largest sugar-high?
Who knows: maybe I even meet a commissioner there, or some other supremely talented artist. We comment at one another a little bit, and somehow find ourselves in an IRC. We chat some more, grow to like each other over time, and he decides to become my artist for free because he just likes my personality and style.
Or maybe he doesn’t, and so I say that while I can’t do Paypal, I still want to acquire his services somehow. Does he have a story he’s always wanted to make? Does he have a writer he’s always wanted to approach with a story idea, but didn’t know how to ask? Maybe I’m good friends with the writer he wants, and, next thing you know, a new story is born because someone took his idea as inspiration and ran all the way home with it. All because he knew me, and I knew someone else.
This isn’t merely a “Get some free stuff” thread. It’d be a thread of connections and possibilities. It would allows someone to meet someone else in a reasonably controlled environment, and get to know them by working with them and seeing their own work various projects, giving insights to both character and ability. Like the TTG, it is a place of beginnings, middle-grounds, and endings.>>3996This
is what I want the thread to be.
I would have never, ever
guessed that you made that art, because all I currently knew about you before now was “4Darker: a first-time writer on TTG. They apparently liked my style; are quite possibly insane.” And there was no way I think I could have really asked, as I don’t recall seeing you in the IRC, nor would I have requested your artwork on a thread like the TTG. (As that would be wildly out in left-field of its stated purpose, plus rather unhelpful in a review which is supposed to be about how the story is written, not the artwork that comes with it.)
And, whether or not it’s “crappy”, I don’t know, as I’m not a supremely gifted artist myself. It looks very pretty to me, and it’s at least a really good start
that I’d be happy to take. My pen-name on Fimfiction is “WB”, by the way. Consider yourself followed, so send me a PM whenever you're ready to start, and we'll talk turkey.
Whether or not this partnership went anywhere, we’d have to see, but you’re an artist to whom I can certainly provide a service in exchange for even some attempts
at making what I want to see made.
So, imagine a place where something like this
not only can, but does
occur at any given time? A place where you learn things about someone else you never even thought of before, where partnerships are made, unmade, and remade constantly?
Who knows; maybe the only thing holding me
back from making art is the knowledge and experience required to do so, which is easier to acquire when you’re working closely with an artist to create something you both might truly care for and which is in itself easier to do if there is at least one place to start really looking for someone to help you.
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