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Official "Ask an Equestria Daily Pre-Reader Anything" Thread Daffodil 3742[Last 50 Posts]

Good evening, everypony, and welcome to the Ask An Equestria Daily Pre-Reader Anything thread (MLPchan Edition)! We've been doing this for a while now over on Ponychan, and figured it was about time to bring all the question-and-answer-y goodness over to this board.

The purpose of this thread is pretty much exactly what the title says: you ask questions, and we answer 'em. Questions can be related to fanfiction, general writing, Equestria Daily, the show, the fandom, Nicolas Cage, or really anything else you can think of – just be aware that you might not get a good answer if your question is about, say, quantum physics.

I'd normally put an FAQ in the OP, but I figure this is a new board with new people (somewhat) so I'm not sure what the frequently asked questions will even be! So assuming I haven't done something horrible with this OP and broken all the rules, feel free to ask away and we'll do our best to answer.

Current queue information: http://goo.gl/b7anF
Ponychan thread: http://www.ponychan.net/chan/fic/res/122969.html

3743

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>pic
>mfw
>shorthand
>waitwhat

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 3744

FIR–

>>3743
aw, dammit :(

3745

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>>3742
Hooray! Daffy!

I don't think I have any questions at the moment, but I think it's good just to have you guys here at long last. Welcome to the new-ish chan!

RazgrizS57 !Cinderm9Hs 3746

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Tell me why you haven't done this yet.

Daffodil 3747

>>3746
How did you get a picture of my desktop?

Croswynd 3748

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When's Midnight's next podcast, yo? Also, how 'bout dat application Seattle said y'all got but I never got an answer to?

3749

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>>3742
You could, of course, put the FAQ in a collapsible spoiler. Luck favours the prepared, after all.

Question: What is the best movie Nicholas Cage has starred in? "All of them" is not a viable answer.
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Daffodil 3750

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>>3748
>When's Midnight's next podcast, yo?
No clue. Everyone got busy around the holidays and kind of forgot about it. I'll poke him next time I talk to him.
>Also, how 'bout dat application Seattle said y'all got but I never got an answer to?
Is it under the name Crosswynd? If so, I can't seem to find it.
>>3749
>What is the best movie Nicholas Cage has starred in? "All of them" is not a viable answer.
That depends. If I were making a recommendation to someone not versed in the glory of the Cage, I'd have to say Adaptation.
For someone who understands the brilliance of the man's acting, I'd have to go with Drive Angry. Or Vampire's Kiss.
>pic related
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Croswynd 3752

>>3750

Cool, thanks. I enjoy the podcast.

As for the application, I'll just ask Seattle about it. I didn't want to ask him at first, because I'd probably sound like a desperate douchebag. But since its been so long, maybe I won't! And yeah, it should be under either '[email protected]' or '[email protected]'.

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 3756

Is there any story you wish had been made already or you're surprised hasn't been done already?

Daffodil 3757

>>3756
A really good Fairly Oddparents crossover. I've seen a few meh ones, but none that really blew me away. Which is incredibly disappointing because it's one of the few crossovers that actually makes sense given the source material.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 3763

>>3756
A good Twilestia shipping story other than Composure or Love . Sick. I can't claim to have read them all, but pretty much all of them I've read have disappointed me.

If one of you suggests device heretic I will break one of your kneecaps. Lovingly, of course.

Anonymous 3764

>>3763
Well, I liked Twilight, Revised myself and I'm not just kissing ass. Okay, maybe a little. It's okay to acknowledge your own work, dude, even if you say "There's not enough good Twilestia. I've tried to write it myself and I like Composure…"



So I'm thinking about trying again after taking a long, long absence from the submission box. How would you folks feel about an "as-is" submission, one where I don't want another chance and am not willing to make structural revisions?

That's not to say I'm done learning - I still value notes and feedback, but I want to apply them to future projects instead of revising a story that's starting to go stale in my mind.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3766

>>3764
You wouldn't be the first to ask that. But I haven't seen it end well. If what you really want is a review, there are better places to go for it that will give you much more thorough feedback. That's not really our function.

Anonymous 3767

It's more like I don't want review from EqD. I want an yea-neigh decision.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3768

>>3767
But if you have no feedback, how would you know what to improve, regardless of whether it's accepted?

Daffodil 3770

>>3767
>I still value notes and feedback, but I want to apply them to future projects instead of revising a story that's starting to go stale in my mind.
>It's more like I don't want review from EqD. I want an yea-neigh decision.
I think you need to decide what you want, then. We're more than willing to give a Yes/No answer if you request it. Just make that clear at the time of submission.

3771

>>3768
Acquire feedback elsewhere.


It's not that I don't like you guys, I just have a tough time forming a productive editor-writer relationship with someone who doesn't have a public writing and reviewing track-record and who is very busy with the job-like-ness of PRing for EqD.

Sure, I just want attention from EqD's readership. But isn't a good story for attention a fair trade? And if its not a good story (or even if it is but not the good story you're looking for today) by what right should I question your decision and demand justification?

I understand the history of PRing well enough to realize that some of you do like giving notes and it won't like hearing "I can't use them for silly personal reasons" from an author. But it is legitimately how I feel and I'd like to save everyone's time.

That's all.

3772

>>3770
Ah, you strike like ninja.

But, thank you.

My big concern is that I don't want to hurt a reader's feelings by preemptively rejecting notes, no matter how nicely I put it. If you're okay with a

>I've moved on to other stories and would like a yes/no decision without feedback.


everything is all good and shiny and right with the world.

3776

Okay, legitimate question here.

So I've got a fic that I've been working on for a long time, and that I'm planning on submitting fairly soon. I'm about 90% confident that it'll pass the prereaders on the first go, but first off, I don't want to submit it until I have the second chapter done, and if it needs more work, I want to know about it as soon as possible.

So, with that said, would it be possible to submit the fic, and if it passes without needing additional edits, have the prereaders put it on hold for posting/queuing until I give the go-ahead? Sort of like putting it in blog-limbo. I mainly just want to know if it's passed, and then once Chapter 2 is ready to go a few days later, give it the green light.

Anonymous 3777

>>3776
I would think the logical thing would be to just wait until it is ready, because what's the point of doing this first? You fear that they will reject your story if they read the second chapter?

Cause, if I were a pre-reader, I would be wary of accepting you.

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>>3776
I tried that once. Seth said they would hold onto it, then Cereal posted it anyways >_>
Not sure how much has changed with the rise of the Pre-Readers, but be prepared for the Blogponies to not communicate effectively.

In regards to that, just how much more (or less) power do the Pre-Readers have in relation to before the re-structuring?

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>>3777
It's not about the second chapter not being ready; it's about the first chapter being ready, but wanting to know if it needs editing before I post it. If possible, I'd like to be assured of its qualifications so that I can turn all of my attention to Chapter 2, and then have Chapter 1 posted as soon as I feel comfortable.

>>3778
Clearly it is a dictatorial theocracy, with the prereaders as the priests overlooking the huddled authorial castes below.

3780

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Oh, and two more quick questions.

First, in the Fanfiction Submission Spreadsheet on EqD, is there any chance that you guys could add in a row for "Fics Approved; Pending Post"?

Secondly, do you know if the blogponies are still accepting prereader applications, and if so, where to send them to?

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 3781

>>3764
Eh, I don't like to seem overly self-congratulatory.

>>3778
We have quite a bit more power now, mostly in the realm of efficiency. Miscommunications happen less often as well (though we're human). We still have essentially no power once we've sent a fic to be posted beyond bothering the admins about it, though.

>>3776
My gut reaction would be "Well, this guy should just find himself a reviewer then." However, I can sympathize with the feeling…

Still, our queue is long enough that I know some of our number would resent this request. We could probably do it (in fact as one of the two active people running the fanfic email, I know we could), but I would encourage you to just edit like crazy first and send it in. From the little of your work I've looked at in the past, it generally doesn't need much in the way of grammatical correction.

Unless you're being like the person earlier today who sent us a vore fetish fic, it should work out fine.

>>3780
I could see if we could add such a row, but it would require more than a little restructuring of our spreadsheet and I'm uncertain how useful it would be. The current situation where we have more than two stories waiting for posting is… unusual, to say the least.

We're always accepting applications. Send 'em to [email protected], and be as thorough as possible when outlining review/writing experience in the fandom.

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>>3781
I've actually edited it about fifteen times—people I've had look at it include Umbra, SLP, Jake the Army Guy, Nicholas, Kazune, etc. etc.. Like I said, I'm 90% sure it'll get on on the first try. Still, I want to make sure.

And that's interesting about the story posting queue. I thought that there were anywhere from 4 to six stories awaiting submission at any one time (like fimfiction). To hear otherwise is a bit refreshing and eye-opening.

Oh, and I'll send in my application (if I decide to) to that address. Thanks again.

3783

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>>3782
Well, that's true at the moment, but usually we have none pending posting. Personally, I prefer having a backlog; instead of having to kick someone back over a few errors without a strike and risk them not sending a 95% okay story back, I can simply say "I'm posting this, but while you wait you should fix X, Y, and possibly take a look at Z."

Much more flexibility, and Seth is happy when he has things to post that aren't dubstep.

Anonymous 3784

did someone say le?

sage 3786

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prereading, or death?

3787

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>>3786
cake, please

Croswynd 3790

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>>3787

The real answer is Cage.

3804

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>>3786
Death by Pre-Reading.

Casca!blANCA/Sq2 3812

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Mostly out of curiousity:

When people say the pre-readers are busy, how busy are you? Roughly how many hours do you spend a day or a week yay or neighing stories, and on average, how long does it take for you to formulate a list of errors to fix when you issue rejections?

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 3813

>>3812
I've backed off on my activity recently, but I'd say I still spend around ten hours a week dealing with ficbox forwards and reviewing things.

I can't really say how long forming opinions takes, as that varies wildly based on story length, etc.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3814

>>3812
Anyone who's received one of my responses knows they tend to be rather long. I spend an average of 2-3 hours per story, unless we're in panic mode with an overflowing queue; then, I try to keep it to an hour or less. And I review 3-4 stories a week, so about 10 hours for me as well.

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>>3814
>>3813
And do you get paid in WeLoveFine coupons, or malcontent?

Daffodil 3825

>>3821
>paid
Heh. That's funny.

3830

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>>3821
We get paid in very, very infrequent attaboys.

From each other.

Anonymous 3832

>>3830
Sounds kinky.

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 3849

>>3830
and "Warm Fuzzy Feelings(tm)"

*edit, cute the board doesn't accept <sup></sup> HTML tags. How will I superscript snarky comments?
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3862

>>3781
Okay, so I've sent in my application (about a day ago, actually), and I just wanted to make sure that it arrived safely in the fanfiction inbox. Sorry if I'm being a bit bothersome.

3870

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>>3862
It did.

Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 3872

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>>3870
Oh, duh. Vimbert still comes here on occasion.
We were discussing who gives/gave the hardest reviews around here IIRC a few weeks ago, and I ended up throwing this together. I hope you like it. (see pic)
sorry that wasn't a question.
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>>3870
>mfw watching inbox

3874

Best use of that pic, or best use of that pic?

RazgrizS57 !Cinderm9Hs 3876

>>3742
I just realized there seems to be a very intimidating muffin or something trying to force its way out of Celestia's muzzle in that pic. He's got the abs, balled fists and everything.

3884

Okay, I've got a couple (Forgive me if these are asked to death.)

Of the two main submission types, Google Docs and Fimfiction links, which is overall preferred or simply better for submission?

The second is: if a multi-chapter story has been completed and is going to be submitted, is it better to just submit the first couple chapters to get your foot in the door and then update it like a mad-man, or is it better to submit the whole story all at once?

Daffodil 3885

>>3884
>Of the two main submission types, Google Docs and Fimfiction links, which is overall preferred or simply better for submission?
FimFiction.

>The second is: if a multi-chapter story has been completed and is going to be submitted, is it better to just submit the first couple chapters to get your foot in the door and then update it like a mad-man, or is it better to submit the whole story all at once?

Depends on how you want them to be posted. If you submit a few chapters and the story is accepted, the blog authors will only post those chapters. From there you're free to add additional chapters as updates whenever you want. If you send in the whole story at once, the whole story gets posted. It doesn't really affect how the story is pre-read.

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 3886

Extending on the previous Q from WB.
Would prereaders prefer to have a GDocs link in addition to the main Fimfic one?

3887

>>3886
I'm indifferent, personally.

3888

>>3885

Thank you. Now, for the mere sake of discussion, is there a specific reason that Fimfiction links are preferred?(Such as they could probably involve a little less work to pre-read because of things like comments and view-counters for example?)
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Daffodil 3889

>>3888
>is there a specific reason that Fimfiction links are preferred?
Tags and wordcount make it easier to check if a story violates our rules. Can submit multiple chapters at once with a single link. Less formatting options, which means less of a chance for the author to make the formatting something terrible like 24 point Comic Sans.

3894

>>3888
In addition to what Daffodil said, if you check the story post of anything that only provides a GDocs link, at least a few people will complain about it not being on Fimfiction, whereas I've never seen folks complain about not having it on GDocs. It's what our readership prefers, as far as I can tell.

3898

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What kind of…favors might be accepted to speed up a story's progress in le queueue?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3899

>>3898
Being a good story.

RazgrizS57 !Cinderm9Hs 3902

I actually have a writing question I'm a little stumped on. If any of you could answer, it'd be greatly appreciated.

Let's say I got character suffering from amnesia, and therefor she has no identifiable name or title. In the third-person narrative, would it be wrong to capitalize the pronouns she/her when addressing her, or would it be better to use something like "the pony?"

Croswynd 3903

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>>3902

Well, I'm no pre-reader, but personally, I think amnesia is such a played out trope that it's kind of boring.

Regardless, I'd go with 'the pony', though you had better give her a name quick, even if it's just a temporary/nick name.

Bear 3918

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>>3902
Have you considered first person?

Don't capitalize pronouns that don't head sentences unless you're doing that Celestia-is-God thing.

RazgrizS57 !Cinderm9Hs 3919

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>>3918
>first person
Yes, I'm actually writing first person. The question was just a curiosity which I thought was reserved exclusively for god-like beings, which you happened to have just confirmed.

Thank you, bear. Have a fish.
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Anonymous 3921

>>3919
Actually, even when referring to God one should use lowercase "he" unless in a religious setting. The uppercase is a holdover from (not entirely sure on this) an archbishop of Canterbury's correspondence. The "rule" as it were says that the third person pronominals should remain lowercase unless heading a sentence.

3933

So how many fics do you guys usually receive in a day, and how many responses might you give out in the same period? I was just talking to a prereader, and apparently, my fic is #30 in line to be claimed, even after having been submitted for 3-5 days. Do you guys really get that huge of a volume of (bad)fic? (If so, then you have my full condolences).

Daffodil 3934

>>3933
We generally get between 5 and 15 stories a day. Number of reviews per day fluctuates, so it could be anywhere from 0 to 20. Or 50, if a pre-reader is feeling particularly insane.

3935

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>>3934
/maths

So if I'm 30th in line…

Assuming an average of 10 stories a day, and 10 reviews a day…

/maths

I was about 60th the day I submitted, and will likely get a claim by Sunday/Monday (I think?).

How many stories do you guys have clogging up the queue right now?

Daffodil 3936

>>3935
~55 in the pre-readers' queue, 26 in the ficbox that still need to be autorejected or forwarded.

Croswynd 3937

>>3936

Speaking of the ficbox, how often do you guys check it?

AkashaRoc!C8ugHytH9M 3938

>>3935
I am relatively new here, but based on previous experience, they quite likely just look at the list, choose whomever is less obnoxious to work with, and then preread that rather than actually follow any specific order.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3939

>>3937
Ideally, once or twice a day, but sometimes it goes a few days. There are a few specific PRs that handle the email traffic. It's more of a burden for aurorejecting stuff than for directing the other messages.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3940

>>3938
Golden_Vision has been around /fic/ enough to know how a community queue works. It's better for us and for the authors if we pick things that seem like they might interest us, so the stories don't get taken in order, of course. A number of things can lead to increased wait times.
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vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 3941

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>>3935
They are not claimed in order.

I have a reputation for being blunt, and I'm about to live up to that:

Be patient. It is not difficult.

Croswynd 3943

Ah. I only ask because I responded to someone there giving me a task and they haven't gotten back to me.

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>>3940
>>3941
Brainfart, guys. Sorry.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3945

>>3943
Yes, we're all painfully aware of that.

If there's a moral for the day, let it be this:

Dear Princess Celestia,

Things fucking take time.

Croswynd 3946

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>>3945

"Painfully" aware, eh? I've asked once about it (here) since I last received a response, before which it took several months for a reply.

Forgive me if I wanted to make sure the e-mail wasn't lost again, mate.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 3947

>>3946
I don't mean to snipe at you personally. We're just getting an abundance of pokes lately.

Alexstrazsa!!2GgTwJwF1D 3950

Evening, gents.

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>>3950
HEIL

An Open (Rejection) Letter to Mr. Vision 3953

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>>3776
Equestria Daily! Here be pen
Made wet with ink of lesser men
And spun across expanses clean
Of parchment, now defiled, obscene

Whence come the wielder of this quill
Whose fevered visions the page fill
Curs'd engraver of wounded charms
And mannerisms to disarm

Yon guardians upon the wall
'fore whom many a story fall
Now bear they a fierce countenance
Against the tale which journey'd hence

And forger of this missive foul
Who astride mountains high did howl
Did pride himself a lit'ry prince
Roused now we, in vain arrogance

Fie! To the barricades were thrown
What artifice and art were known!
Nay, rough-hewn stone, and timbers cured
Felt naught. No sign of Golden sword

While shining blade may cleave the air
Thy stones and timbers no mark bear
For temper soft and balance poor
Thy weapon fails to prove thy score

In image forged of Paendrag's blade
Excaliburn from thy hand stayed
Nor Clarent could ye efforts yield
But daggers small instead to wield

These halls stand ancient, yet ye claim
Their founding-stone bear but thy name
And from tongues 'round thee, ye forbid
Mere mention of the Chryssalid

We tell thee now, vaingloried squire
You sought the light, yet funeral pyre
More likely will future reside
If tempered not with time is pride

For high regard to hold one's tale
If just, then no assault avail
Alas, brought here for our critique
Was story wrought of practice weak

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 3956

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>>3953
I say, most elegantly written.

Anonymous 3960

>>3953
I don't get it…

Literary Interpretation Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 3962

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>>3960
In short (at least my interpretation). Golden Vision's story didn't pass muster.
He came on full of pride and boasting about his work. Yet the work he spoke of did not even make an impact.
I then further goes on to warn him to temper his pride over time and accept his flaws so they can be corrected.

All delivered in poetic form: like a sir.

soundslikeponies 3963

>>3953
I should learn how to poem sometime.

3964

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>>3953
>Pic
Oh, also, do you still happen to have the Snape review?

3966

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>>3953
>sighs
>pic

Okay, so. I'm not sure if you're a prereader or not (I've probably been told fifty times, but I forget, so…yeah). If you're not, then heh; that was a very well-written poem, and one that I hope doesn't reflect my situation. If you are, while that doesn't make the poem any less eloquent (see all of the replies above mine), I can't help but feel really frustrated and insulted that you would post that here without even having the decency to send me a rejection letter first. I don't want this to become some kind of drama thing, and I'm not going to rage at you and start shouting, "HEY Y DIDN"T MAH STOREH MAEK IT HUH YOU FAGS," but at the same time, I'm reduced to this kindergartener-level of expression because if that really was your equivalent of a rejection letter, then it was hurtful, unprofessional, and just…not worth it. You have my email in the tripcode; if you wanted to tell me to sit down and shut up, then you could have just told me there, but instead you decided that you wanted to humiliate me, and I can't say that I enjoy the feeling.

So maybe I was a little uppity about my story. Maybe I came across as—or just was—arrogant and spoiled. I don't know. All I know is that I've been working on that one chapter—not even the story; the chapter—since September. It's been through seven rewrites and revisions, and has seen more reviewers than I can count. Maybe I was just overly optimistic; again, I don't know. Maybe all of them missed something with the grammar? Something OOC? Again, I don't know. I have no idea; I'm not a prereader.

The bottom of the line is, I was tired. I wanted to move on with my work. Maybe I was just too positive and hopeful, and should have braced myself for the most cynical, hurtful response possible. Maybe this has all come across as some kind of crybaby, immature reaction to you all.

If my story was that bad, I'm sorry that you had to read it.
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3967

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>>3964
Somewhere… let me look.
Ah. Yes. Here. http://bit.ly/XirBvn
Oh, and for those of you new to this one, the author requested the snark.

Anonymous 3968

>>3966
You're right that it was unprofessional and unnecessary. You and your story were used, so that someone could post something they made to amuse themself, despite the knowledge that it would most likely hurt your feelings.

Yes, pre-readers are volunteers. No, they don't have to do what they do. Yes, I would rather have them there making sure that there is fanfic on EQD and that it's the top x% of writing, not a trash-trough of every last thing.

But that's no excuse for taking out their frustrations on other people, especially not people in a vulnerable state of "please accept me and this thing I made with a skill I am proud of," and super-especially not in a public forum.

Yes, you were acting like a bit of an ass, Golden Vision, but not even a tremendous one. Nowhere near as bad as I'm sure they've dealt with in the past. _Nothing_ you did excuses their behavior.

3969

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>>3966
February 2, 2013:
Post 1: I'm 90% confident that it'll pass the prereaders on the first go.
Post 2: Disregard Advice, Crack Jokes
Post 3: Can I see how long it's gonna take for a review? And can I join?
Post 4: I've edited it 15 times! 90% sure! And I'm still gonna join, maybe.
Post 5: Unrelated
February 4, 2013:
Post 1: I sent in my app. Can you tell me if you got it?
Post 2: I'm waiting.
February 5, 2013:
Post 1: You're taking too long.
February 8, 2013:
Post 1: Why are you taking so long?
Post 2: I should have a review soon. Just look at the data!
Post 3: Oops. Got called out.
Post 4: Unrelated

You know how the queue works.
You know how EQD works - you've submitted before.
You've been alerted that your behavior might not color the pre-readers' perceptions in the manner you desire.
And that's just this thread.

The poem is my work. I was your pre-reader, and I chose to reply to you in this fashion. I also replied via email, but those messages take a little while to filter out after edits.

Unprofessional? Perhaps. But I'm not a professional. I'm just this guy over here slogging through stories so that good things can happen on EQD. As are all of my peers.

Each of us devotes our free time, time we could be doing other things, to read, consider, critique, and promote fanfiction. No, we don't want a song-and-dance number (shut up, Nines), but just your consideration.

Consideration you, dear sir, refused to give.

So, pushing off other stories I wanted to read, I picked yours up. I was treated to the very definition of 'you tried'. "Banal" is too weak. Your story reminded me of that one kid in kindergarten who glued a single piece of macaroni on the plate.

I don't know what's going to be in the email that I sent. They are sometimes edited by the mail-ponies for clarity. What I wrote was not polite, but it was accurate.

Let's address the concerns you bring up in your post, shall we?

>I'm not sure if you're a prereader or not

I am.

>I hope doesn't reflect my situation

It does.

>I can't help but feel really frustrated and insulted that you would post that here without even having the decency to send me a rejection letter first.

See above.

>I don't want this to become some kind of drama thing

Too late.

>I'm not going to rage at you and start shouting

Except that you then express what you would shout. Thus, passively achieving the same result.

>it was hurtful, unprofessional, and just…not worth it

I felt the same way about your conduct and your story.

>You have my email in the tripcode

And?

>if you wanted to tell me to sit down and shut up, then you could have just told me there

So, you want us to tell you privately to stop being an ass, when if we tell you publicly it doesn't do any good.

>but instead you decided that you wanted to humiliate me, and I can't say that I enjoy the feeling

No, my desire was not to humiliate. Mostly. I wanted to find a way, SOME way, it would sink in, as my peers' efforts seemed to have gone unnoticed and unheeded.

>Lots of maybes

No. You WERE arrogant. You WERE pushy.

>I had people look at it lots!

You should have looked at it yourself. This is not a novel concept. You've had stories reviewed before. The sorts of things I found were:
Derivative, predictable pacing
Tell-heavy descriptors
Over-repetition of proper names
Repeated words (the the, etc)
Spacing issues
Verb choice
Thesaurus-itis
And so on.

>The bottom of the line is, I was tired. I wanted to move on with my work.

And this, good sir, is the key.
You were DONE with the story. You didn't CARE about the story. You just wanted to collect your bits and MOVE ON. It was no longer your work, it was just a 'thing' that was in your way for other projects. A 'thing' that you deigned to have us clear away for you (and were certain we would) so you could wash your hands of it and do something else.

Do you begin to understand?

If you are wounded, look at the reasons why. If you are insulted, then so be it. The decision to post the poem was mine, and mine alone. I will be happy to ignore any story you might submit in the future so as to give you the utmost confidence that this will not happen again.

But it might, sir. That part will be your decision.

Anonymous 3971

>>3969
So, what I'm seeing here is, Golden Vision posts an admittedly whiny post where he apologizes for being an ass but wonders why he got this kind of reply.

And I'm seeing in reply, "Yes I was unprofessional and admittedly tried to at least slightly humiliate you, but I can do whatever I want because this is a volunteer job. Too bad for you. You should have been nicer to me and my friends so here's some needless backlash."

"Also, I'm going to make assumptions about your writing process and decide that you've downgraded your story to a 'thing' that you want to abandon, then use that judgment call as another excuse to be as rude to you as I feel like."

It's just… so unnecessary! I'm honestly just sad at the lack of common decency. Sure, you started it GV, but TwilightSnarkle is just raising it up like two orders of magnitude.

Anonymous 3972

>>3971
Oh, and pre-readers, or anyone else… Here's a tip:

Don't mistake "asshole" for "over-eager for feedback," or even, "eager to please!"

In other words, sometimes a jerk isn't a jerk, just young and desperate. Don't hurt them for it, please?

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>>3969
I'm sorry for being impatient.

There; that's it. I've had a review queue before. I should know better than anyone else that things can take time, and that RL takes precedence; etc. etc. Hell, I've had people sitting in my queue for two weeks before, and I was completely embarrassed at leaving them hanging for so long. I should have waited, and been more quiet; I'm sorry that I got in your face about things.

I'm not going to address anything else. I'm done with calling names—even if I may have started—and I don't want to get into insults or assholish whining.

I'd like to ask you something, but I'd like to let you know up front that you by no means have any sort of obligation toward me. However, if by your goodwill, you think that there's anything worth saving in my story, then please, email me and let me know what specifically you didn't like and how I could change that. If you don't have the time, or think my work is worthless anyway, then I thank you for the time that you took in looking at it the first time and will go on my way.

A good day to you, Sir Snarkle.

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 3975

Yeah, authors often get lost in their own work that they stop seeing it objectively for what it is. Some never even try to. This wake up call was needed, but is too unsympathetic.

No, volunteering for some website isn't super srs bsns, but in volunteering you are acting as a representative of the site, and you should try to be a bit PR-ish so that it doesn't reflect negatively on the site. Honestly, I don't think you were in the wrong with posting your lyrical rejection letter, but your follow up replies to GV's responses were pretty harsh. I'm not saying to sugar coat the situation, but to try and tell the reality of the situation in a way that both makes the author understand, and leaves their feelings not too badly damaged.

On the flip side, GV, you took your story to a bunch of reviewers, multiple of which pointed out the same problems which you didn't ever bother, nor want, to fix. Sending it to EQD and saying you're 90% sure it would pass was arrogant all things considered, and even slightly insulting to those who pointed out those flaws. You let yourself get caught up in the story you wrote and stopped seeing it for what it was. You couldn't kill your darlings, and now you're exhausted from trying to protect your story to the point that you don't even care about it anymore, you just want it done.

So GV, what I recommend to you is to not let yourself get worn out on a story, or so in love with your own ideas you stop seeing what it is. If you do, have the strength to completely drop it, and move on.

Snarkle, all I'd really say is to be a bit more PR, and then let out the frustrations accompanying that by talking behind peoples' backs like everyone else who has to do that.

Anonymous 3976

>>3969

Personally, I feel that you were the one being very arrogant here. Yes, Golden_Vision might have been pushy, but you are acting like a grade-a douche.

This might be the "Ask an Equestria Daily Pre-Reader Anything" thread, but from what I understand you are entirely free to overlook a question if you feel you've adequately answered it. If you felt that he should already know how things work, and you've already answered his question, just stop responding if you feel he's pestering you. And stop with the hateful responses. Not everyone enjoys snark, you know.

Also, you can't have this cognitive dissonance of "I'm just a guy on the internet helping out, nothing special" and "how dare this guy think that he could possibly join us!?" Last I checked, you're always open for applications, are you not? What's with the high-and-mighty attitude behind a thin veil of victimization? Also, to say that "I'm helping out, therefore any manner in which I choose to do so should be acceptable" is utter bull.

I don't think the last post was an "Oop, got caught!" either, but rather an "Oops, not very tactful of me. I appologize." And then you started acting like a douche.

Yeah, not cool, Snarkle. Not cool.

Daffodil 3977

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Whew. Back from a long night out. Wonder what's going on in this thr–

Shit.

Anonymous 3978

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>>3977
Welcome

3983

There should be a rule against asking about the status / ETA of a fic getting through the queue in this thread. I mean, the only way of contacting prereaders couldn't possibly be through this thread alone, am I right? If so, then what would the purpose then be, of making such inquiries in public?

Also, are there ways of contacting prereaders? Or do you all actually keep hidden using Sethisto as an email proxy to avoid plebian bombardment?

Daffodil 3984

>>3983
[email protected]

If you need to contact the pre-readers for any reason, send an email to that address. It's manned by other pre-readers, so there's no risk of having messages lost by Seth.

The last line on the automated email sent for a fanfic submission actually tells people to email that address if they have any questions, including their story's status. People tend to ignore this.

Alexstrazsa!!2GgTwJwF1D 3988

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3990

How to disagree: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Anon, you are disagreeing with Snarkle at DH2. If you're going to play ethics police, at least bring something substantial to argue about. Whether someone's writing is of a perfectly amicable tone is a petty debate. The semantics are what's important, and I believe Golden Vision understood them. That's the bottom line.

Anonymous 3992

>>3990
Hey, guys, the non-contributive douche has a point, tone is meaningless in this situation and while he might be an attention whore for the most part, only focusing on the explicit message is what matters in discussions and writing anyway.

Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 3994

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3997

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Phew, so about those cease and desist letters, amirit? Ho, ho, and have you heard the Japanese and the Chinese are having yet another land dispute? Hoo boy, those rascally communists; never happy, are they!

Is that not the most dramatic thing you've heard today, guys?

Uhhh….

Guys?

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 3998

Here's a question I've been thinking about.
If I get a fic reviewed and (Luna help me) get it past the prereaders, what would I do when I wanted to send in a sequel?

Would it be preread separately before being added to the same blog entry, or would it be tossed up with no oversight at all?

Bear 3999

>>3998
Sequels don't get pre-read.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4002

>>3998
To answer in more detail, sequels get added to the original's post and featured in fic update posts. They are simply mailed in directly to the submit email.

Can well-worn plots still make it on EqD? 4026

I've got a Twilight/OC Romantic Comedy that I wrote (Traveling Tutor), but this category has just been beaten to death by hordes of really bad fics. Is it still possible for a well-worn plotline to make it onto EqD without being absolutely perfect in every way?

Anonymous 4027

>>3998
>>3999
>>4002
Better idea: Unless the story can stand on it's own, then don't write it as a sequel. The only reason why The Lord of the Rings is three books is because of printing costs. But we don't have that problem on the internet, where space is limitless.

4030

>>4027
That's not always feasible, though. There's this-happens-a-hundred-years-later, there's I-haven't-touched-this-story-in-seven-months, there's same-characters-different-plot, there's this-is-by-a-second-writer, and there's this-would-be-five-million-words-without-breaking-it-up. Forget LOTR–what if the Harry Potter books were one ebook? That'd be way too big for anyone to pick up. And the Narnia books are so disjoint I don't think they'd fit well together as one narrative in any capacity.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4031

>>4026
Absolutely, but there are several factors, including how many have actually appeared on EqD and whether you do something to make it stand out (unusually good writing, approaching the concept from a fresh angle).

"Romantic comedy" is an awfully broad category, too. Saying that video game crossovers are overdone (which they are) is much more specific than saying sci-fi is overdone (which it isn't).

Anonymous 4033

>>4030
>this-happens-a-hundred-years-later
>I-haven't-touched-this-story-in-seven-months
I've seen stories do that without making a volume two.

>same-characters-different-plot

You're talking a stand alone sequel, which should get it's own separate story.

>this-is-by-a-second-writer, and there's this-would-be-five-million-words-without-breaking-it-up

This: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4778437/1/These_Black_Eyes_A_Re_Post_Ing_r

>what if the Harry Potter books were one ebook?

>And the Narnia books are so disjoint I don't think they'd fit well together as one narrative in any capacity.
Again, standalone sequels. Okay, I admit that's pushing it a bit, but still. They more or less make sense on their own.

Anonymous 4034

>>4030
Huh.

As an owner of an Ebook with all the harry potter books in a single document, I have to say it is freaking sweet.


That only brings me to ask why is that applied so erratically? Cloudy Skies, for example, got a second post, but Pen Stroke didn't, despite both having very different stories in each case. What exactly are you using as the ruler? Or is it just a "this won't get read if put in the update, and I really like this artist"?

Then there is that whole bizarre thing where Midnight shadow has both the update and its own post, which was what brought my question and made wonder why they made him put his story back into the box for seemingly no reason.

Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 4037

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I've got a question: Why 63.456? Was there something significant about that number, or did you just hit a few buttons on your keyboard and that happened to come out?

AkashaRoc!C8ugHytH9M 4038

>>4037
It's the atomic weight of copper, so I am guessing he likes rocks, smelting, or guns.

Or, he is a nerd, thought atomic weights were awesome, and chose that one.

Or he is an even bigger nerd and chose it because it is one of the few elements whose electron configuration doesn't follow the pattern and he wants to point out he is special in-between all those peasant metals.

It's not even a real heavy mental, guy!

Also, I actually would like an answer despite my jest.

Also, >>4034 was me.

EDIT: I just realized the true biggest nerd was me all along for knowing all of this.
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vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4040

>>4034
We only consider sequels for their own posts if they're sent to us, not straight to the blogponies for a sequel post. We generally have a pre-reader unfamiliar with the original story read it and evaluate it on the usual lines (grammar, characterization, etc) and on whether it makes any bloody sense without knowing what happened before.

If the story is fine and makes sense without knowledge of the previous story, then it gets its own post. If not, then we send it back and the author can continue trying for a solo post or could just put it in the original story post.

tl;dr If an author wants a solo post for a sequel, he/she must request it and it has to pass the pre-readers. Most authors don't do this.

I think Midnight's story was him making the solo post on his own, only to be shot down by… someone (whether that was Seth or one of us, I'm not sure) and it was relegated to updates, but the post with the sequel still existed. I think. Midnight was playing with his "I can actually make posts on the site, myeh" powers, I think.
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Ion-Sturm 4041

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>>4034
Because Pen Storke's stories are junk.
(I called him Pen Storke in chat once by accident and it stuck)

Also, if you're talking about Past Sins, it's because his continuations (read, empty filler that do nothing to truly advance the character or plot) are entirely dependent on having read the original.

>>4038
Neerrrrrdddddddd.

>>4040
I shall now add "myeh" to the end of any sentence he writes.


What is EqD's policy on stories written as sequels to stories other authors wrote, but without the original author's stamp of approval?
I mean, technically it's no different than everyone writing stories based on MLP since those are all unofficial, unapproved works, but I figured I'd ask anyways.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4042

>>4041
I believe we want the original author's permission, but I haven't come across that scenario personally.

AkashaRoc!C8ugHytH9M 4043

>>4040
So, essentially, because most authors are ignorant or not all that good after a while? Sounds fair.

Also, I really liked Midnight sequel. Ok, it wasn't winning any Pullitzer any time soon, but it is a pretty good story, and I don't see why it had to be relegated, but I guess I can just wait until it updates.

>>4041
I like Pen Stroke's stories, if I'm honest, because they are true to themselves and are entertaining to read. No bad attempted at psychological undertones, no attempt at being dark and edgier and than edgy, just fluff and fun. I sometimes think he could really benefit from some clean-up of his grammar, but I don't count it against him because he seems to be quick to fix things.

4045

>>4041
Ion, if you feel that way then why don't you review his stories instead of just complaining about them. Maybe his writing would actually improve.

Ion-Sturm 4047

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>>4045
I frigging edited them for him. I've reviewed, lectured, taught, discussed, chastised, experimented and guided him to little to no effect.

To put it into perspective, I edited and reviewed A Mug of Hard Cider for him. He had no less than six people pre-read it before I started work. By the end, my comment stream was four times larger than the other six combined (and I'm not even a hardcore editor like Morning Angle or the other TTG guys). Those are the people he surrounds himself with to do editing work.

This is the review I wrote after finishing my edits for the story: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jn7DtEHt9CxBZNVQTtYcnM07H_RVECXDuUNud6HG9S4/edit

Point is, I don't think even the good Samurai could make something out of him. Pen is too satisfied with the drooling mass of followers that lick the ground he walks on to bother with such trivialities as "self-improvement".

>>4043
>no attempt
That's the problem with his stories; they don't attempt anything whatsoever (a point I mention in the review I linked above, in fact). I could be just as entertained picking at the lint in my navel, and more satisfied with the end result since, hey, body hygiene. Moreover, they don't even attempt to make sense. If you want a detailed breakdown of why the story fails on all accounts, feel free to hit me up in the IRC.


Anyways, I'm derailing here.

New question: What is the square root of Nicholas Cage?

4048

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>>4047

SqRt(Cage)=Alan.Tudyk

Pic unrelated.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4049

>>4047
The square root of Nicholas Cage is imaginary Nicholas Cage. He can fly and has an immaculate sense of aesthetics.

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 4050

>>4047
Does a set of all sets contain itself?
Yes

4052

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>>4047
Oh, you have. My apologies then. Though now I see why you feel that way about him.

4054

>>4052
How do you spill with a gyro bowl? It's imposiiiibbllllleeeee.

But yes. You'll find editing credits on the last three chapters of PS, Mug, and another story I don't remember.

Daffodil 4057

>>4047
Hey Ion. Much as I found the commentary amusing, I'd appreciate it if this thread didn't devolve into "Let's Bash Authors While Talking About How Great We Are At Editing." A bit of off-topic discussion can be fun, but let's rein it in before it gets out of hand, yes?

4058

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>>4057
Ergo, the IRC bit and "Anyways, I'm derailing here".

Might you answer this?
>>4041
>What is EqD's policy on stories written as sequels to stories other authors wrote, but without the original author's stamp of approval?
>I mean, technically it's no different than everyone writing stories based on MLP since those are all unofficial, unapproved works, but I figured I'd ask anyways.
>>4042
Alas, 63.whatever didn't shed much light on the matter (as much as his reply was appreciated).

Daffodil 4064

>>4058
>What is EqD's policy on stories written as sequels to stories other authors wrote, but without the original author's stamp of approval?
We won't post unofficial sequels without permission from the original author.

4065

>>4064
Seems like an odd policy when all the works EqD accepts are derivative. Do all fanfiction submissions require permission from Hasbro?

Daffodil 4066

>>4065
Getting permission from Hasbro for every work of fanfic would be impossible. Getting permission from authors for side-stories/sequels of their work is entirely possible.

Croswynd 4067

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>>4065

It's a little different when you're comparing a company to an individual person. Asking for permission is just polite, especially since you know exactly the person who came up with the story idea, as opposed to the possibilities inside the company; i.e. animators, writers, etc.

4069

>>4066
You only require permission for fanfanfiction (but not fanfiction) because the likelihood of obtaining them is non-zero? Assume then that I had written a such a work (have not, nor plan to, but let us say). Now if I were to ask the fanfiction author of which my work is derived, and they said no, you would by your rationale accept it because "getting permission would be impossible"?

>>4067
Politeness is unwritten law. I would myself ask, but wouldn't want to impose such requirements upon others.

Daffodil 4070

>>4069
>You only require permission for fanfanfiction (but not fanfiction) because the likelihood of obtaining them is non-zero?
Requesting permission for fanfanfiction does not carry the same risks as requesting permission for regular fanfiction.

>Now if I were to ask the fanfiction author of which my work is derived, and they said no, you would by your rationale accept it because "getting permission would be impossible"?

No, because it's not impossible. It's entirely possible – you just failed to do so.
Seeking permission from a fellow fanfiction author is as simple as sending them a polite message. Getting permission from Hasbro would entail making your derivative fan-work known to the parent company. Given their recent treatment of larger fanworks such as Fighting is Magic, that's just asking for some type of legal action to be taken.

>I would myself ask, but wouldn't want to impose such requirements upon others.

Then, should you make your own fanfiction blog/site/spotlight thing, you are free to have a different policy.

4071

>>4070
>Should you make your own fanfiction blog/site/spotlight thing, you are free to have a different policy.
I am but a man with concerns surrounding the realms and reasons in which you are treading. Of course I have no power (but for words) to enforce. I assume that you operate honestly and with respect for reasonable argument. With that said, it should be obvious that this is, as a response to my stating my position for how I would enforce this particular law, a mere statement saying "You have no power here." I am well aware. It's not useful to any kind of discourse to claim this, and I would kind of hope you could avoid making such statements, if only because they are obvious.

Now,
>No, because it's not impossible. It's entirely possible – you just failed to do so.
Obtaining permission from Hasbro has a non-zero chance of success. To claim that one rejection is a failure on the asker's part and another is one the asked is arbitrary.

What if an author says, in no uncertain terms, that no person may make a derivative work from theirs? What if they also claim they will persue legal action for willful infringement? The situation is then the same as Hasbro. Would I be allowed to make a derivative work from that person's without asking?

Let's think about crossovers. What if I write a crossover with an indie video game, and the developers have contact info posted on their page and are very responsive? Am I obligated to ask them first, since the distinction you've made between asking and not asking is if the copyright holder is a faceless company (i.e., not the original author)?

I also remark upon a very evident case of precedent against this decision: Fallout Equestria, and Conversion Bureau fanfictions, neither of which ever required (in the past) permission from the author.

Putting aside my grievance in your presumption in permission from obscurity, I debate the premise that a fanfiction author would be easily accessible. Many people have lives that don't revolve around checking their Fimfiction notifications every hour of every day. Do you think everyone has kkat on speed dial? Not likely.

Now, what metric do you use to measure if something as a derivative work requires permission? Do you make exemptions to parody or satire? Is borrowing a character without permission okay? What if I change the name and hue? (What if I plain don't tell you?) Is borrowing plot devices, or plot structures okay? If not, at what point are these things are genericised? (Do I have to ask soundslikeponies if I want to write a Twidash ship?) Should the first guy who used "Alicorn" to describe the princesses be asked permission for that word?

These things concern me because a permission culture is the exact opposite of how fanfiction operates and has always operated –- as a free culture.

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>>4071
It's less of a "Here's a list of criteria we use to determine postability sans permission" and more of a "Seth runs a fanfic site, it's not shut down yet, Hasbro knows about it. Now be polite and ask your peers before you utilize their hard work, kthx."
Even in a work of parody, I would hope you at least alerted the original author to your efforts before submitting it to us. Something something good idea something something mean-spirited something Snarkle something. Or the like.
I'm sure my peers can expand on particulars.

Daffodil 4075

>>4071
Editing because I derped a few questions:
>Obtaining permission from Hasbro has a non-zero chance of success.
I disagree.
>What if an author says, in no uncertain terms, that no person may make a derivative work from theirs? What if they also claim they will persue legal action for willful infringement? The situation is then the same as Hasbro. Would I be allowed to make a derivative work from that person's without asking?
No, because this person has a significantly higher chance of discovering said work than Hasbro does. Hasbro's policy seems to be "out of sight, out of mind" when it comes to fan work. It seems that as long as they can reasonably ignore fan works, they will not take any sort of legal action. Directly requesting permission to produce something means they can no longer ignore it. In the case of your hypothetical author, I assume they will not make legal threats and then ignore anyone that violates their request.
>I also remark upon a very evident case of precedent against this decision: Fallout Equestria, and Conversion Bureau fanfictions, neither of which ever required (in the past) permission from the author.
I can't speak for Conversion Bureau, but I'm fairly certain that Kkat has given blanket permission to anyone who wants to write an Fo:E side-story or spinoff.
>Now, what metric do you use to measure if something as a derivative work requires permission?
Our own judgement.
>Do you make exemptions to parody or satire?
No.
>Is borrowing a character without permission okay?
No.
>What if I change the name and hue?
Then you have a different character with a similar personality.
>(What if I plain don't tell you?)
Then it's much harder for us to enforce this policy.
>Is borrowing plot devices, or plot structures okay?
Depends on how much is borrowed. If you're copying someone else's story entirely, we'd call that plagiarism and not post the story.
>If not, at what point are these things are genericised?
When we feel like they are.
>(Do I have to ask soundslikeponies if I want to write a Twidash ship?)
No.
>Should the first guy who used "Alicorn" to describe the princesses be asked permission for that word?
No.

It seems to me that you're attempting to turn this into a much larger issue than it actually is. If you wish to make another thread discussing the merits of a "permission culture" versus a "free culture" for fanfiction, feel free to do so. As far as this thread is concerned, however, I would rather not get into a lengthy debate when I already answered all of your questions. If you'd like, I can break down those answers into a simpler form:

>Is your story a fanfic of a fanfic?

You require permission from the original author.
>Is your story a fanfic of MLP: Friendship is Magic?
You do not need permission from Hasbro.
>Is your story a crossover with something else?
You do not need permission from the creator. It would be polite to seek it anyway, but it is not a requirement.
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4077

>>4073
>utilize their hard work
We utilise many people's works every day. Whether a creator should hold monopoly over ideas is another question entirely.

>>4075
What is the distinction between a crossover and a fanfiction?

>Is your story a fanfic of a fanfic?

Fanfiction defined as…? (Assuming the author is not self-labelling their work as fanfiction of another's fanfiction, which answers the question automatically.)
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Daffodil 4078

>>4077
>What is the distinction between a crossover and a fanfiction?
Fanfiction - A non-canon story involving the characters and/or universe of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Generally produced by fans of the show.
Crossover - A fanfiction which includes major elements from both MLP: FiM and some other (typically fictional) universe.

>Fanfiction defined as…?

A fanfic of a fanfic (or side-story/unofficial sequel) is the same as a work of fanfiction (see above definition), except the universe in question is specifically that of another My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fanfiction.

So, for example, a story about Twilight Sparkle adopting a child would be a fanfic. A story about Twilight Sparkle adopting a child named Nyx who happens to be the embodiment of Nightmare Moon would be a fanfic-of-a-fanfic (Past Sins, in this case).

AkashaRoc!C8ugHytH9M 4079

>>4075
> Kkat has given blanket permission to anyone who wants to write an Fo:E side-story or spinoff.
For sake of fairness, that happen after this same discussion was had and she thought it stupid people where asking her because it was fanfiction after all.

Ion-Sturm 4080

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I would ask for permission, of course, and provide evidence of my inquiries, but requiring said permission is a double-standard. Regardless of the odds of attaining permission from a company such as Hasbro, in the end you're just splitting hairs; the original author did not request or receive permission, so why must I? Already, by requesting it, I have gone above and beyond their approach. Unless a law is applied to all, it should not be a law. It seems rather ironic that you would extend additional protection to a story which is not only unprotected, but illegal.

Allow me to expand my inquiry to include side stories, "what-ifs" and/or sequels, if that makes any difference at all.

>>4078
>A story about Twilight Sparkle adopting a child named Nyx who happens to be the embodiment of Nightmare Moon would be a fanfic-of-a-fanfic (Past Sins, in this case).
And what of a story about Pinkie adopting a child named Dyx who happens to be the embodiment of Discord? That was posted on EqD, and seeing as how I was the one that told Pen about it, they never asked for permission (with the cover art being a photoshopped version of Past Sin's cover art, no less, which they did not request permission to use as well).

Precedent, logic and equality all stand against the requirement that a writer requires permission to make a derivative work.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4081

>>4080
The question has been answered. That's our policy. Arguing its merits isn't going to change anything.

Daffodil 4082

>>4080
>I would ask for permission, of course, and provide evidence of my inquiries, but requiring said permission is a double-standard. Regardless of the odds of attaining permission from a company such as Hasbro, in the end you're just splitting hairs; the original author did not request or receive permission, so why must I? Already, by requesting it, I have gone above and beyond their approach. Unless a law is applied to all, it should not be a law. It seems rather ironic that you would extend additional protection to a story which is not only unprotected, but illegal.

Your opinion has been noted. Unfortunately, I am only able to answer questions about the policy. I am not in a position to change it. If you feel this policy is unfair and wish for it to be changed, talk to Seth.

>And what of a story about Pinkie adopting a child named Dyx who happens to be the embodiment of Discord? That was posted on EqD, and seeing as how I was the one that told Pen about it, they never asked for permission (with the cover art being a photoshopped version of Past Sin's cover art, no less, which they did not request permission to use as well).

If you remember, we posted Cupcakes too. Then we changed our rules, and we no longer accept gorefics. It's a similar situation.

>Precedent, logic and equality all stand against the requirement that a writer requires permission to make a derivative work.

I disagree.
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4087

>>4082
… you can't "disagree" with precedent. Precedent is clearly against this ruling, as per the numerous examples provided already. This is fact.

>>4081
I'll be doing that. Note of course that this deference to bureaucracy is a common dirty tactic that you are falling into.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4088

>>4087
Ah, yes. Surely antagonizing me will win me to your side. Supremely played.

4089

>[A] story about Twilight Sparkle adopting a child would be a fanfic. A story about Twilight Sparkle adopting a child named Nyx who happens to be the embodiment of Nightmare Moon would be a fanfic-of-a-fanfic.
Seriously? So whoever wrote that first story has a monopoly over every author who wants to write a story where Twilight Sparkle adopts a child? Do I now have to check if some fanfiction author has "rights" to whatever plot my story contains?

4090

>>4088
Arguments are not a game to be "won".

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4091

>>4090
"Win me to your side" as in convince me. Perhaps the idiom is lost on you.

4092

>>4091
You stated outright in >>4081 that "arguing isn't going to change anything". I've not argued anything with you because you aren't participating in any kind of dialogue.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4093

>>4092
My mistake. I took your constant replies as a dialogue.

My opinion is the same as Daffodil's. If you are using specific world-building or characters you know to be created by another fanfiction author, it's common courtesy to ask. The difference with asking Hasbro is that another fanfiction author is far more likely to be receptive or respond at all, and asking Hasbro opens up a can of worms. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.

This isn't the forum to discuss your views on intellectual property. Feel free to start a thread on it.

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>>4092
With all due respect, Roger, the question has been asked and answered. The policy is that of EQD. We do not make EQD policy, we simply enforce it. Please work with EQD if you wish this policy to change. Constant debate on this topic and on this thread will gain little, if anything.

Ex-pre-reader who likes baked goods 4101

The reason there's no double standard in my mind comes down to this:

My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is not the "creative property" of a single person. Between the original creator, the corporate input, all the talent who has worked on the show along the way, and anything from the viewers that may or may not have had an impact on what we're seeing on tv… it's definitely not the work of one person.

Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of fanfics (except Pen Stroke's, apparently) are the work of a single person. Yes, they are derived from something else, but that one person put in blood, sweat, tears, and other bodily fluids.

In other words, who are you going to ask to post fanfic of MLP:FIM? Hasbro. They definitely own MLP, sure, but did "they" "make" FIM? When you're asking Hasbro's lawyers for permission to post a fanfic, you aren't asking Lauren Faust, Jayson Thiessen, Meghan McCarthy, etc. So really you're asking for LEGAL permission. (Which you aren't going to get, anyway.)

Meanwhile, when you are asking permission to post a fanfic of a fanfic, then you're asking the one person who sank tens to hundreds to thousands of hours into creating this work. You're being a polite, decent human being and saying, "I have a respect for your story. May I borrow it to lay the groundwork of my own story?" You probably should just ask them before you even start writing, because if they say no and you respect their wishes you won't be sharing it, anyway.

And if you don't respect their wishes, then what are we even talking about, you hypocrite?

AkashaRoc!C8ugHytH9M 4102

>>4101
About how you aren't doing so anyway and you are being hypocritical by saying it is a-ok to not ask them, but it very important to ask the ones who originally didn't ask permission? Or something, I stop reading after everything became retarded. That said, should you ask the editors permission too? I mean, they also help in making the story, and sometimes outright proposed it. Or even come and ask permission from /fic/? They also put dozens of hours into those pieces of fiction, and thus should probably get asked permission to use the fraction of the work they provided.

And so goes the medley. Or something, this is stupid.

Also, how are you doing, man? When is the story coming out?

Ex-pre-reader who likes baked goods 4103

>>4102
>you are being hypocritical by saying it is a-ok to not ask them, but it very important to ask the ones who originally didn't ask permission?
I'm pretty sure that you didn't really see my point, or don't care to. As I start to feel like your side of this debate is being purposely dense or something, I realize now that we have diametrically opposed opinions on this, and have about as much luck as the Chaotic Good Rogue convincing the Lawful Good Paladin that stealing back the tax money for the starving populace is a good idea.

IMO, Legal Permission =/= Respectfully Asking Permission From the Creator. Moving on…

>That said, should you ask the editors permission too?

No. Do you think that if someone helps you edit your fanfic they should be able to claim some sort of rights over it moving forward aside from bragging rights if it turns out to be popular? If so, then you're a weirdo.

>Also, how are you doing, man? When is the story coming out?

What? I don't think I am who you think I am?

4105

>>4103
>>4102
>>4101
okay, okay, I know what this is all really about.
Yes you can write fanfiction about my stories, but only if you pay me. I accept paypal, nontraceable cheques, and bread… which I'm running low on.

AkashaRoc!C8ugHytH9M 4113

>>4103
Wait, we are speaking of asking for legal permission? Fuck me, and here I thought we were talking about being polite, which I presume would be extended to the creators of the original content. If we are insisting that this a discussion about legal permission to do this, this is all-balls retarded, and even thinking that is the point of comparison is also all-balls retarded because legal permission cannot be given by none of the parties.

>Do you think that if someone helps you edit your fanfic they should be able to claim some sort of rights over it moving forward aside from bragging rights if it turns out to be popular?

Not really, but none of the people you mentioned did anything but contribute and improve to something someone else was doing, so I kind of wonder where does your analogy break down or even begin to matter.

>What? I don't think I am who you think I am?

Well, true, I might be confusing you with a pre-reader that actually writes things, but I would think that was a given?

>>4105
Not meant to be offensive, but why the hell would I, or anyone, want to write a story based upon yours?
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Ex-pre-reader who likes baked goods 4114

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>>4113
>here I thought we were talking about being polite, which I presume would be extended to the creators of the original content.
Sooo… you consider not expecting every person who writes fanfic to personally contact Lauren Faust, the author of every episode with canon they reference, Meghan McCarthy, and any background artist responsible for accidentally/purposely causing background pony fanon… to be the same as not expecting people to contact a single fanfic writer, who is a peer in their subculture with consistently visible and public contact information? THAT is what you consider a double standard?

You are dumb. Or your opinion is dumb. I'll let you pick! I'm cool like that. :D

>Not really, but none of the people you mentioned did anything but contribute and improve to something someone else was doing, so I kind of wonder where does your analogy break down or even begin to matter.

See above. Both paragraphs.

>I might be confusing you with a pre-reader that actually writes things, but I would think that was a given?

Sooo… you don't see, "how are you doing, man? When is the story coming out?" to infer some level of interpersonal familiarity? Hence my questioning of me being someone you may or may not think you know. For example, what the hell is "the story?"

See above again.

4115

>>4103
>>4101
A few questions, before I continue:

- What do you see as the purpose of this policy?
- Who does it benefit?
- Who does it punish?
- How do you define the "creator" of a work if it has multiple contributors?
- Why is a director (Jason Thiesson) deserving of being asked for permission but an editor is not?

Ex-pre-reader who likes baked goods 4116

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>>4115
>What do you see as the purpose of this policy?
It allows people in our fandom to decide if a spin-off of a story they wrote will or won't reach the EQD audience.

>Who does it benefit?

Fandom authors who don't want their story to have unofficial sequels/spin-offs strewn about, possibly influencing how others feel about their original work.

>Who does it punish?

Fandom authors without the common decency to wonder if their interest in creating something is more or less important than the wishes of one of their peers.

>How do you define the "creator" of a work if it has multiple contributors?

Almost every fanfic has a single author. For the ones that have multiple in the format of, "by Bones and Seymour" I'd say you need to ask both. For ones with the format of, "by Bones, with help from Seymour and Freddy," I'd say you should contact Bones and ask if they think Seymour/Freddy should be asked, too.
But this is all talking out of my ass. I AM retired from pre-reading.

>Why is a director (Jason Thiesson) deserving of being asked for permission but an editor is not?

That's a fair question and I've since changed my list to be Lauren Faust, the author of any episode with canon or joke references in the story, and Meghan McCarthy as the person overseeing all the scripts. This list is still subject to change depending on my whims, but feel free to lambaste it if you desire. (The thing about background artists in my last post was more of a tongue-in-cheek thing, and I shouldn't have said it in a srs intrnt dbt. Oh well!)

I wrote a story. Someone messaged me on Fimfic and asked if they could write a grimdark sequel. I asked them not to; it wasn't in the theme of the original at all. They didn't write it. I'm glad they didn't. If they HAD written the story without asking me I wouldn't have contacted them unless it was really good and I wanted to congratulate them. If a less-than-amazing grimdark sequel had been written and posted to EQD without my permission I would have been disappointed, maybe upset for a few minutes, but wouldn't have asked for it to be removed.

Are there people who would have replied, "Yeah, sure, go ahead, do whatever," and wouldn't care if they were asked permission to post it to EQD? Sure! But why default to that when it's so easy to ask permission and avoid disappointment, butthurt, and rage?
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>>4113
It was a joke, but it does so happen that I've had people (as in, more than one) ask if they could do a spinoff of one of my stories.

>Not to be offensive

You failed to not be offensive when you inserted a 'hell' into your question.

See, I do this thing called false confidence, otherwise I'd be brought back to the crushing reality of how overrated my writing is.

Daffodil 4122

>>4115
>A few questions, before I continue:
I'd like to politely request that you not continue. This is very quickly turning into a debate which has no place in this thread. I've already answered your questions on our policy, explained how the pre-readers are not in a position to change said policy. Attempting to convince us why it is unjust/unfair/nonsensical will serve only as a waste of time, since there is nothing we can do about it.

If you have any further questions about the policy as it currently stands, you may ask them. Questions about the rationale behind the policy (and requests for it to be changed) should be directed at Sethisto. Further debate on the fairness of the policy should be brought to another thread. I don't want to start reporting off-topic posts, but I will if I must.

Thank you.
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4123

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Oi. Glad to have ya here.

I dun't know what we'd do without the chest-thumping you guys bring around. /fic/ needs a place to blow off steam, and /meta/ ain't around no more.

The facepalmy entertainment's just a bonus.

Cheers, mates.

Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 4124

Well time for a nice question.

Do you have any fanfiction that stands out in your minds?
Not necessarily your favorites either, this is an invitation to wax lyrical over any story you like.

This might give me something to read while I wait for you to reject/accept/hilariously pan/present feedback on the story I submitted last night. Though any story you suggest I will have probably read already.

Alexstrazsa!!2GgTwJwF1D 4125

>>4124
Daffodil can back me up on this one. One fic that has always stood out to me and been a pleasure to read will always be "Love.Sick", which you can find here:

http://www.fimfiction.net/story/13050/love--sick

While it probably has its share of issues, I don't even care. The story was great to read.

Another fic that stood out was "Lord of War", a great story ab- Er, wait, that's a Nick Cage movie. Whoops. I get things confused sometimes.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4126

>>4124
Most of us have FiMFiction accounts using the same names. You're welcome to peruse our faves.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4128

>>4125
Agreed. That story wasn't postable on EqD (leans a little too much into dark territory than we can go and there are some grammatical issues, iirc), but it's a brilliant piece of fanfic. Much recommended.

Aside from that… http://www.fimfiction.net/index.php?view=category&tracking=1&user=5123

4130

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What thought process goes through your mind when a piece you passed gets shat on?

Is it a sort of "Welp. This fandom is thicker than a bag of bricks."

Or is it more of a "Hmm, so I made a wrong decision there."

Now, frivolity aside,

Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov: a young, desperate genius disrupted by the stupidity of his own circumstance, or a Nickolas Cage wannabe?

4131

>>4130
I'm disappointed, but I can usually understand the objections of those doing the shitting.

However, usually things I pass that don't do well aren't so much "shat upon" as "completely ignored" (by EqD standards, anyway).

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4135

>>4130
Crime and Punishment is the only forced English class read I actually enjoyed. Great book. But Cage? Hm. I afraid I must remain silent, lest the other PRs set loose the dogs to devour my well-marbled flesh.

4160

>>4116
I have made my response in >>4158 as per >>4122.
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4167

>>4135
I much preferred War & Peace to Crime & Punishment, as far as the great classic Russian literature pieces go. Something kept me pushing through it, despite the infamous length.

Azusa!fG2qnvpWXU 4185

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Okay, so the Twilicorn episode aired and it ended on a cliffhanger. Do you still stand by your original statement that anything where Twilight doesn't have wings must have the Alt U tag, even though any stories about her as an alicorn will probably be Jossed?

Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 4186

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>>4185
Fuck canon. This is about creativity. Apocryphic finale!
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Azusa!fG2qnvpWXU 4187

>>4186
I dunno. I just worry that some poor soul will choose this time to start there epic Tolkien-esque masterpiece… only for it to be ruined three months later.

4188

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>>4185
Grandfathering-in is a thing.

Furthermore, a story that doesn't have Twilight with wings isn't AU. She hasn't had wings for nearly three seasons, so any any reader with two brain cells to rub together could infer that the story is simply set before the season finale.

Also, people seem to forget that there'll most likely be an indeterminate amount of time between the coronation and if/when she's returns to being a normal unicorn. Ergo, a story can be started and fit into that space of time with no issue.

Anonymous 4190

>>4187
This almost happened to me, and I wrote a fic where I brought up an "Element of Discord" a few months before the character Discord started to be leaked around. Thankfully it was a minor part of the story, at least.

!SumPony41s 4199

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>>4187
> start there epic
There there, now. I have a hunch that there are few who still think that would be worth their effort. There are none in the fanfiction writing sub-fandom who are not aware of how canon pissing on their fan stories is an axiom, and if there are, they're most likely both new to this fandom and new to writing fanfiction in general. So there.

Anonymous 4200

>>4199
There're other things to consider, you know. Heck, a story could take place in the gaps between seasons and it still wouldn't interfere with canon. Technically speaking, the AU tag should only be used if it takes a moment that is absolutely crucial to the canon, such as Princess Luna being on the moon for a thousand years, and modifying it to such a degree it would break the show's continuity, such as instead having Princess Celestia being on the moon for a thousand years.

Nonetheless, canon is always up for interpretation and leaves enormous voids for fanfiction authors to fill. There can be many ways to interpret the same fact or detail. Canon, in my opinion, should never be disregarded. However, that isn't to say one has to stick solely to what canon gives us. Because, well, where then would the originality stem from? If you want to absolutely disregard the facts canon gives, then go for the AU tag. Otherwise, keep canon in mind, but there's no need to stand completely it. That's what the show is for.

Anonymous 4202

>>4188

You are not a prereader.

Stop doing this.

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>>4199
>>4200
>mfw I used the wrong their

>>4202
>Report button

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>>4188
Sturm, please stop answering questions addressed to pre-readers. Multiple pre-readers have requested that you do so.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4215

>>4185
I play a little fast and loose on tags, but I don't think we'd need AU for that.

Ion-Sturm 4230

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Right, let's pursue the real root of the problem:

What constitutes an Alternate Universe scenario?

There is the obvious example of Celestia becoming a Nightmare instead of Luna, for example.

However, what of the grey areas? No Twidash ship is canon, nor could a main six ship ever possibly be expected to become canon, yet these are not classified (wholesale) as Alternate Universe.

Then the question of distant-past or far-future stories comes into play. While they may not be supported by canon, they are also not invalidated by it. As such, it's not a true Alternate Universe. Fallout: Equestria could be argued to not fall under the Alternate Universe umbrella, on account of its future setting (assuming one were to grandfather in the lack of alicorn Twilight).

Finally, what of a story concerning our newest princess? She has wings now, but whether she keeps them is so far a big, fat unknown. As such, a story that has her start with her wings and god-hood, yet ends with her rejoining the mortal realm, would not be Alternate Universe but rather Expanded Universe.

Of course, such dissection of the concept means little if policy, being the immutable element it is, says otherwise. So, for the benefit of those of us without access to the Pre-Reader hive mind, a little enlightenment would be appreciated.
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Anonymous 4232

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>>4232
That is an anonymous poster. Since the Pre-Readers place so much emphasis on their own members replying, I am inclined to disregard it until I have proof that said post is official. Plus, since you seem to have missed the point of my question, it does not answer or imply in any way, shape or form what EqD's policy on the matter is, only details what the poster's thoughts are. Vimbert's post ( >>4215 ), before you link that one, does not answer the question either since it only addresses one particular example that does not fall under the purview of an Alternate Universe and, as such, is not appliacable to the current question.

The same applies to you; an anonymous poster responding to a question in the Pre-Reader thread is against the rules (which is not stated explicitly anywhere in the OP, of course).

Daffodil 4235

>>4230

Stories require AU tags when they explicitly change or obviously ignore some aspect of canon. So, to use your example, stating that Celestia became Nightmare Moon instead of Luna would be an AU because clearly that is not what happened in the show itself.

Stating that a story takes place during a certain time period (so, say, between seasons two and three) does not make a story AU.

Essentially, a story should be tagged AU when that is the only way that the events which occur in the story can make sense given what we know of FiM canon, regardless of timing.

>shipping

While shipping will never happen canonically, most readers will readily accept the idea that characters can be in romantic relationships. It does not require invalidation of canon for shipping to occur, so that would not be an AU. Obviously certain pairings [i]will[i] require AU tags, but those instances are the exception rather than the rule.

>Past/Future

A story like Fo:E acknowledges the events of MLP canon (at least, what little canon there was at the time it was written) so it does not need to be tagged AU. Far-future fics are generally a bit more open in this way, since a clever author can come up with reasons to reconcile their story with canon. Writing about the far past is a bit harder, but still entirely possible without having to lapse into AU territory.

>Alicorn Twilight

This is a bit harder to pin down. The canon behind this isn't exactly static, so what seems to be set in stone today may very well change by next season. Authors may want to err on the side of caution and tag their stories AU anyway, but I can't really give a definitive answer unless I know exactly what their premise is.

>>4233
No need to be so bitter, Ion. If you're so upset about not being able to answer questions in this thread, you can always make your own.

Ion-Sturm 4236

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>>4235
That is EqD's official description of Alternate Universe plotlines, then? Thank you for the reply.

Upset at not answering questions? Hardly.
I'm tempted to give more detailed reasons, but I couldn't do that without coming off as (more of) a giant douche as it would require specific examples, concerning people I otherwise enjoy the company of.

Tactical 4237

>>4236

Ha! Don't tell Jinx.

!!Applejack 4243

Just noting that here - >>4230
Is not attempting to answer any question or speak on behalf of EqD or the Pre-readers; it's asking some other questions, which is in keeping with the idea of the thread, the purpose of edifying authors and reviewers. Ion's already been advised not to do either of the latter. On an unrelated but interesting note, putting a quote link such as >>123 in a report does, in fact, show a hover-viewable version of the post and let's mods see the post-chain at their leisure just like it does inside a thread, which is good to know!
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Anonymous 4252

I remember hearing about a PR who kept asking for someone to write a Fairly Odd Parents crossover and today I stumbled across this http://www.fimfiction.net/story/84818/fairly-odd-ponies

Vital Statistics Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 4277

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So after I submitted my own story I spent a while watching the queue table. What struck me was she sheer number of fics listed. I felt somewhat guilty adding mine when it was sitting at sixty and now it's up near one hundred.

However what interests me here is the patterns that seem to form. Do most fics get added before or after weekends? and what seasonal variations have an effect on total queue length? (for example does the queue get longer during summer or winter?)

Any interesting data or patterns would be appreciated, for science.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4278

>>4277
Several staffers are at unicon this weekend, so traffic is backed up right now.

We do see some surges in fanfic submissions around certain holidays, college breaks, and season premiers/finales.

Anonymous 4285

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This may seem vague, but what's your general impression with where the community is going and the morale/outlook? Someone who is (or at least was) a prereader has described the season finale as a catalyst for the release of bottled frustrations and angst and made it seam kinda crazy.

Also, how have things been in general? Dramatic? How are you all doing? What's life like as a prereader?
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Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4297

>>4285
Well, you're going to get a different answer from each individual, I expect.

The season finale was pretty polarizing, and that's not surprising. To some degree, I feel like the perception that things are going downhill is a result of increased expectations. The series doesn't have that new-show smell anymore, and fanfics have tread so much ground already that there's less smack of originality, and sensationalism gets more attention than quality. We try to fight that as much as possible, but get increasing complaints from people who want us to feature what's popular, not what's good. As the fandom grows, that's inevitable. More voices join the crowd, but it's my opinion at least that there's still a large contingent out there that wants to read good fiction.

As to life as a pre-reader… Well, the majority is:
1) Read story.
2) Spend an hour or two compiling notes and advice.
3a) Never hear back from writer.
3b) Writer rageblogs.
3c) Writer responds by email to explain exactly why you're wrong.
3d) Writer thanks you for the feedback and works to improve.

Sadly, that last scenario is quite rare. But it happens enough to make the job worthwhile. Of course, the good stories we recommend to be posted are also rewarding.

Anonymous 4322

I'm wondering if, at all, exceptions have ever or can be made to the stories that get passed or are things gridlocked.

For instance, has or can a one-shot get posted if its word count is below the 2500 required? Has there ever been a BiE story that got passed?

4325

>>4322
Yes, but only if it's considered absolutely amazing. This has not happened for a long time, as far as I recall.

Can't think of any BIEs; nine times out of nine, they're too low quality to get past the initial filter. Same thing applies, though–if it's not amazing, we send it back. If it is, we consider it. I guess there's Blueshift's CYOA and Through the Eyes of Another Pony, but those are old.

In other words, exceptions are made for exceptional stories, but those are, as you can imagine, quite rare.

4362

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4386

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Croswynd 4408

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I wonder, sometimes, who okay'd Unmarked for posting on EqD. Any way of figuring that out?

If there isn't, when is the next podcast? I enjoyed the last two Q&Neigh…

Anonymous 4409

>>4297
>2) Spend an hour or two compiling notes and advice.
>3a) Never hear back from writer.
>3b) Writer rageblogs.
>3c) Writer responds by email to explain exactly why you're wrong.
>3d) Writer thanks you for the feedback and works to improve.

Hey, I remember you, 546! You preread a story I submitted and gave heinously comprehensive feedback.

I have to say, though, from your email it was a little unclear that I COULD send a response back. The first message acknowledging that the fanfic was received specifically requests no replies, and then the more detailed reply from [email protected] looked like it was a shared email address that no particular prereader would check for replies on. It wasn't until reading one of these threads that I learned my replies would get directed back to my story's prereader.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4411

>>4409
Absolutely, replies may be sent. The ficbox guys will forward them to us. We're busy enough that you shouldn't necessarily expect long discussions (though it's possible, depending on the PR), but you are certainly free to ask questions, look for clarification, or present your reasoning behind not wanting to change something, if you like. Some PRs may move the discussion elsewhere for convenience, too. Oh, and I should clarify that 3a implies never resubmitting the story. Too many authors get discouraged and never try again.

4413



A question that's been eating the back of my mind:

How are you all with fics that use Equestria as a "center of action," but the stories don't necessarily revolve around Equestria but of characters existing outside of Equestria?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4414

>>4413
Happens a lot. There's nothing inherently good or bad about it, provided it meets our standards the same as any other fic.

Representing thought Rodinga !vL.TDTGrPw 4458

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In a lot of the discussion I've seen about representing a character's thought falls into two categories.

Using italics, to make it visually different.

'Or using single quotes in opposition to double quotes (or vice versa)'

'And apparently using both is verboten'

Do you have preferences, aversions, epic pony wars or mixed feelings on this matter?

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4459

>>4458
We tend to prefer italics, but so long as the usage is consistent (and you don't use both) it doesn't make much difference to us.

Anonymous 4536

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Now that Equestria Girls has given us approximate canon ages of the characters, does that mean that the cut off age for what is considered foal shipping has changed?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4537

>>4536
Not really, as there's a disconnect between the two as to maturity level. Applejack runs a farm, Rarity's a business owner, Twilight's essentially a grad student… Seems more like redefining it than a direct correlation. That's my opinion, anyway.

4541

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>>4536
Continuing this on a similar line of thought, what are the Pre-Reader's thoughts on the new show? A bold new frontier, or a soon-to-be-aborted mistake of the grandest proportions?

4542

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>>4541
I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude. If it follows a monster-of-the-week over-arching-storyline formula like many of the other Magical Girl anime, then it might be uniquely watchable.
Or it could suck Steven Magnet's flaccid, scaly member.
Six of one…

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 4554

I and a good number of us are of the opinion that it's going to be awful.

I'm willing to give it a shot, but I hold out no hope for it.

Anonymous 4587

You guys are still sending people here for reviews… right?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 4588

>>4587
Check out the writers whose posts in The Training Grounds say "These are the EqD pre-reader's comments." I'd call that a "yes." While it's up to the individual pre-reader whether they recommend reviews or where, many of us do suggest /fic/ as a good place to get reviews.

Anonymous 4838

I have a (somewhat squick inducing) question:

What exactly is the stance regarding the subject of rape? (NOT a rape scene, but the subject in of itself)

Are stories that include rape as a primary plot point (or a sub-plot) auto-rejected, or is it like gore where the story is judged on a case by case basis in how it handles it?

The PR who is also a bear 4843

>Are stories that include rape as a primary plot point (or a sub-plot) auto-rejected, or is it like gore where the story is judged on a case by case basis in how it handles it?
Another PR has said that he is "pretty sure it has to be handled tastefully and the story needs to be absolutely exceptional" for it to be passed, so I guess not all such stories will be auto-rejected. However, I can't recall any instances where one has made it through.
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Tactical 4917

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You know what? There actually IS something that upsets me about my rejection after all. Mostly I'm just sad that this didn't get featured, because I know a lot of people would have read it and liked it, but…

Why is "it's shallow" relevant to the fic's quality, if what's there is well executed? Is it not the prereaders' collective goal to pass fics that 1) are enjoyable and 2) show off the competency of the fanbase? And have you *never* passed something through that was vapid and goofy? What the hell do you call this, then?
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/55968/things-rainbow-dash-doesnt-like

Again, I'm not mad about rejection, just sad because I really wanted to show this story off.

Oh yeah one more thing. Those problems in the rejection email?

I very pointedly didn't do anything to address those problems when I was revising this for the third strike. Extending the fic to address the war at large, or even justifying the war with more than a passing mention, would go against my vision. This is another reason why I really can't throw any accusations around. If the PRs aren't satisfied by… whatever this is… then they didn't want what I was selling.

I wonder if two sentences about why the war's going on, or just a quick show-don't-tell explaining it, would've been enough for this fic to pass?

We're still cool, right? We're still friends. I still love you guys. >:
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Daffodil 4919

>>4917
>We're still cool, right? We're still friends.
When I argue with my friends, I generally don't post the private conversations in a public place – particularly not in a blatant attempt to get sympathy from an outside party.

But maybe you treat your friends differently than I do. Who knows.

Edit: Initially I told you to delete your post and write this into a reply email, but it seems you did that already. The reason you haven't received a reply to your reply is because you answered your own questions already. Your story was criticized, and you consciously ignored that criticism. As such, your story was rejected. I don't understand why this required a transparent sympathy grab on /fic/ in addition to your initial reply email.
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Anonymous 4922

Okay, I'm not touching those last posts with a ten-foot pole, but they did make me think of a question. Are rejection and acceptance letters considered private? I've been sharing mine around, especially with reviewers, but also just posting them and trying to get feedback. Are we not supposed to do that?

Daffodil 4924

>>4922
Some pre-readers consider it a private conversation between themselves and the author. Others don't care whether you share it or not. In the interest of politeness, you may wish to ask your pre-reader before sharing it. That said, no one is going to hold it against you if you share the rejection in the interest of getting help improving. It really only becomes an issue when authors go spamming their rejections and harping on about how unfair the pre-readers are.

tl;dr – Don't be a dick and it won't be a problem, but you may want to ask first to be sure.

Tactical 4925

>blatant attempt to

Thread hidden. I'm in danger of going back on my statement that I'm not mad. Thank you for responding to my opinion about vapid and shallow fics with pettiness and insults.

Daffodil 4926

>>4925
Nevermind. Not worth it.

Have a good night.
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Nines 4927

>>4922
Using them as a tool to I prove your story is fine. Using it as evidence to publicly defame people just isn't really appropriate.

Midnight Shadow 4931

>>4408
Well, there was this idea that, for once, some of the less euro-compatible timezones would be able to participate. To enable this, since I'd already been in all of them so far and plenty of other shows already, somepony else would be able to take the reins (two pony puns for the price of one!) for that one… and they did, and it didn't happen, and then we tried again with the same result.

Not placing blame, shit happens, and I've been stepped back quite a bit since late last year due to a number of factors, so haven't gotten up the time or energy to make it happen myself.

We're still planning to have it, and probably it'll happen when I get off my backside and make it happen.

Anonymous 4934

>>4843
>However, I can't recall any instances where one has made it through.

Off the top of my head a fic called "Fluttershy's Night Out" comes to mind. I don't know if I would call it tasteful and exceptional, but it definitely gets credit for capturing "creepy guy at the bar" perfectly.

dolfeus-on-hiatus 5074

Hi-di-ho and bi-di-bo, prereaders. I humbly beseech thee to answer the soul-rending quandry which has fallen upon my pitiable soul. And, seeing as you all are busy people and I'm tip-a-tappin' on a mobile device rather than a sturdy ol' computer, I'll try to make this as succenct as possible.

The Question:
I've had in my mind for some time an idea for a cross-over between MLP and Pokemon, and I've only recently begun the arduous journey of putting together its plot and tailoring its suit right before grafting in the fleshy bits betwixt the two. However, a problem broke out before I started writing, that being that the Pokemon had become superfluous to the story I was telling. So I cut those out.

Now all that was left (of the fanfictioness of the story) were the ponies. But, as I've come to realize only this morning, they, too, could be removed and replaced without disrupting the over-arching structure of the work, but in doing so would alter the tone and feel of the piece. This all leads me to the delimma: Should I pursue the work as fan-fiction, a market I have familiarity with and a ready plethora of resources to tune it up, or should I explore it as an original work, even if I am inexperienced with working in that field and market?

Anyway, I hope that this incense has evoked from you the arcanum of the writing spirits, 'cause it's making my nose itchy.

5076

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>>5074
A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for. - Salt from My Attic (1928), J. A. Shedd

Bleeding Rain!DROPScczL2 5089

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>>5074
>>5076
Um, yeah. Kinda this. If you've got something that still holds up if you take out everything that's not yours, and it has merit? Run with it, man! This is almost what fan fiction is for: to inspire creativity so you can produce your own works. I mean, I think there are far more applications than just that, but there is no reason in the world why you shouldn't write your own novel, at least not from where I'm standing. Hell, if you ever publish that, I'll buy it from you.
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Anonthony!AppLeJAcK. 5091

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Anonymous 5128

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Okay, let's say I wrote a crossover with a show that has a character who really likes equine animals. Would that be too similar to BiE to get though?

Some Pre-reader 5129

>>5128
Maybe, but probably not. The BiE rule is mostly for protagonists that are like "Holy shit, I know all there is to know about this world already!"

Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5131

>>5129

Curiosity: Would you accept a Megan story?

What about one where she doesn't go to Equestria, it's just about Megan?

What about one where it's about Megan and how she feels about bronies?

What about one where it's just about Megan, but her daughter watches the show and the story is mainly about Megan's memories? Maybe her daughter has this strange kind of Calvin and Hobbes thing going on and we're stuck with the grown woman's point of view of a little girl with a cute little Twilight Sparkle plushie, but the little girl swears that Twilight took her to Ponyville and they learned valuable lessons about friendship and magic together?
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Daffodil 5132

>>5131
>Would you accept a Megan story?
If it's related to MLP:FiM, yes.

>What about one where she doesn't go to Equestria, it's just about Megan?

No.

>What about one where it's about Megan and how she feels about bronies?

Also no.

>What about one where it's just about Megan, but her daughter watches the show and the story is mainly about Megan's memories? Maybe her daughter has this strange kind of Calvin and Hobbes thing going on and we're stuck with the grown woman's point of view of a little girl with a cute little Twilight Sparkle plushie, but the little girl swears that Twilight took her to Ponyville and they learned valuable lessons about friendship and magic together?

This one's borderline and would depend highly on how it's presented and the quality of the writing. Assume no unless it's something truly incredible.

Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5133

>>5132

It would shift, towards the end, about Megan thinking about the show. There wouldn't be any boring shit about Megan and her life or any stuff that doesn't relate to Megan's secret pony past.

Anyway, I obviously haven't written this fic yet, just curious.

Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5165

Okay I got another one.

I've got a story with a sex scene in it. The story is definitely not erotic, but it definitely takes things a solid step further than a "fade to black." To give an idea of the level and language, it contains the line "he entered me."

I guess I'm answering my own question as to whether this is too far for EQD's standards or not, but I find myself curious about the grey area. Are you just filtering out well and truly explicit stuff, or do you really not want sexual content?

For example–the scene I'm writing now is basically two characters doing the whole adolescent sneak-behind-the-building-after-dark act. It's pretty clear what's going on there. If I were to end the scene a line implying that they had sex and never actually "show" it in the narrative, would that still be too much?
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vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 5168

>>5165
It's extremely difficult to say for sure without seeing the scene in action, but that would probably be fine.

Anonymous 5169

>>5168

To be clear, the second one would be okay, but something that's plainly a sex scene and makes roundabout references to dicks would be right out, correct?

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 5175

>>5169
Almost certainly.

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 5195

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Okay, I'm considering a story idea and I'm wondering where the line lies for something being a crossover. Essentially, if something is thematically similar, or inspired by, another work of fiction, is it a crossover?

What I'm thinking of making is a story that doesn't share the world, doesn't share any characters, and doesn't share any lore with the 'crossover' material. Rather, it aims to be similar in tone and style, while having a couple 'world' elements from this other piece of fiction.

An example (but not what I'm doing) might be having a story set in the future where technology has advanced alongside magic, creating a shadowrun-esque world. But nothing from it is actually from shadowrun, it's just quite obviously thematically inspired by it.

Edit: I should note that anyone who's seen both pieces of fiction will likely draw ties to it, since the elements I wish to use are more or less its own, and have not become generic as most elements of shadowrun have. Also, I guess I could tell you the idea in question if you'd need a better idea of what I'm thinking of.
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Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5197

>>5195



Since your example is *exactly down to the detail* something I wrote, I'm curious about the answer too.

The specifics I've used are 1) magic went away for a long time then came back, 2) when magic came back everyone woke up and found out that they had turned into fantasy races, 3) cybernetics destroy your magic, 4) there are such things as professional criminals (the titular Shadowrunners though I don't call them that) and 5) the sexy technologies of the day are cybernetics and virtual reality.

5200

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>>5195
>>5197
A crossover doesn't necessarily have to include figures or deeds. Themes count too. Still, cyberpunk is large enough of a genre that, in my opinion, you really wouldn't need to specify Shadowrun itself. I would be perfectly fine seeing a 'dark' or 'au' tag on that.

Anonymous 5230

Hello! I had a question about the resubmit process.

If an author submits their story for a second—or even third time, having fixed any previous errors to (what they believe to be) a satisfactory point, can the prereader add another strike anyway? Is it a common thing for a prereader, upon receiving the third submission of a fic, to glance over it and say, "Oh, you fixed the mechanical things I mentioned, but I never really liked your story structure, so bugger off, then"?

(This is assuming you get/request the same prereader as before. I think that if you get a different one, then they have the complete right to bring up new, random issues, even if it'd be a third strike).

Cheers.

Pre-reader63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5231

>>5230
While it's possible the same pre-reader would bring up new issues, it's very unlikely he would, unless he'd broadcast it already ("I spent so much time marking grammatical problems that I didn't get to critiquing the story itself," for example).

Anonymous 5232

>>5231
Okay, great. Thanks.

5240

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Just curious, what is the sort of agreed upon standard for what is considered a good shipping story?

5241

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>>5240
Uh…
What makes a good story? Answer that first. Shipping is no different. We do have some rules about near-clop and clop and such, seeing as Seth wants to keep it a family-friendly site, but a story is a story is a story.

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 5245

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>>5241
Those pairings suck.
Aside from one.

I noticed the survey they had up on EqD. What are your opinions on the yes/no response? I'd actually like to see multiple prereaders answer this one. Queue times were climbing to two weeks last time I checked, and it'd be nice if you figured out some way to speed things up, but wouldn't a yes/no make it harder for authors who could potentially get on through resubmissions?

5246

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>>5245
In my opinion, there's always gonna be a "loser".
We can yes/no submissions (with internal debate) and trust the authors to find their own editors. Those authors unwilling or unable to find good editors will run afoul of the strike rule.
We can continue providing story analysis and feedback, which will gratify some, and enrage others, and slow our responses.
Personally? I would like to see the pre-readers able to yes/no, because then I could spend time editing those stories that interest me on places like ponychan/mlpchan's training grounds. Best of both worlds to me.

5248

>>5241
Hmm… I guess. So what's the average quality of shipping stories that you reject? Like, how many of them have actual conflict as opposed to just cutesy nonsense?

Pre-reader63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5249

>>5245
Personally, I prefer giving longer feedback to writers, and going to a yes/no system isn't going to speed me up any. I prefer it like it is, where the pre-readers are at their own discretion as to how much feedback they give. If a writer indicated that all they wanted was a yes or no, then I'd honor that, and it'd save me a little time, but not much. So I don't see much sense in going to yes or no, unless it implies that even minimal feedback may not be given (fine with me, if that's the pre-reader's choice), or that longer feedback wouldn't be allowed (a horrible idea, in my opinion).

>>5248
I can't say that shipping suffers from lower quality than the average. Though it is a story type that tends to skimp on making the relationship believable, instead throwing the happy couple at us and assumes we'll care as much as the author does.
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dH 5250

Okay, here's my spiel. There's this story I'm working on, and it's getting to the point where it's become massively complex. My question is "How would you guys go about dealing with a story with as much self-referential meta as this?"

I'm not looking for the typical "it's all in the execution" answers. I'm looking for what you guys would say if the story looks too complex, much like Homestuck in that regard.

Daffodil 5252

>>5250
If your story has the pacing of Homestuck, it'll probably be rejected. Even we don't want to sit through a pointless four hour prologue.

But I can't really give you a more detailed answer without specifics. "Complex" and "meta" are pretty broad statements.

dH 5254

>>5252

Well, I wasn't thinking in terms of Homestuck's pacing, more in its nature to continuously reference back to itself and forwards to itself… stuff like that.

Present!PeRFeCt9JM 5255

>>5252
So, Fallout: Equestria? :V

Anonymous 5258

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Yo, Pre-readers.

Given that the site https://www.ponystory.net/ has moved into Beta, and is capable of creating and hosting visual novels, would any created on it be accepted for posting on EQD?

Furthermore, if they are, would the 2.5 K rule for one shots still stand, or would leniency be allowed given the differing medium? I'm guessing, also, that further requirements based upon images and music used would exist, but that the main bulk of it would pass through the usual process of grammar and "Is this an acceptable story" setting. Is this an alright assumption, or would an entirely new set of rules require drafting?

Or am I bugging the wrong people because this wouldn’t be considered fanfiction and I should really just go annoy Seth?

Thanks in advance for any answers, and apologies if this question's already been asked (I checked this thread briefly, but not the one on Ponychan nor the Fimfic one).
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5259

>>5258
I pestered him on your behalf and it seems this is more of a comic post.
I'd email Sethisto directly and detail your plans for the site, and get a more thorough answer, were I in your shoes.

Anonymous 5260

>>5259

Thanks, but I'm not actually associated with the site. I'm more just someone who's stumbled across it and was curious as to what the pre-reading position would be.

I'll probably try contacting both Seth and the website creator, then. Thanks again for the help.

Anonymous 5264

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Any update on that fanfiction poll that went up?

Pre-reader63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5265

>>5264
We are processing the responses.

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Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5266

>>5265

I can't hlpe but feel like there's a middle ground. There's no reason for the PRs to go into such depth, but they could give a quick rundown of reasons why it was rejected i.e. "the fandom is saturated with this material and yours is nothing special" or "we thought your prose wasn't quite there."

Ion-Sturm 5267

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>>5266
Same here. I recommended a set of pre-made responses to save time while still providing the writer direction in what to fix.

Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5271

>>5267

Well I hope this solution wins out. It seems like the very clearly most sensible answer.

5272

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>>5271
Alas, the only thing common about common sense is that it's rather uncommon. But here's to hoping.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5274

>>5272
A set of form responses. Hm. Surely someone's thought of that before. Oh yeah. The auto-rejection forms the ficbox guys use and the personal review templates that some pre-readers use.

Awesome idea.

PR Bear 5276

Common sense is called common because it is widespread, general–not because it's good. Us-vs.-them mentality is a great way for things to spiral downwards, since everyone's a "them" to someone else. Semantics aside, as PR 63.546 said, we currently are doing such things. While there is more room for automation and improvement, identification and enumeration of issues still account for much of the time taken in a rejection–especially when the grammatical issues are diverse. It only takes so long for a PR to repeat his prepared speech for Why Telling Is Boring And Unengaging, after all. It's an issue we plan on discussing rather thoroughly.

As for the poll, it'll take a while to process. We've received over thirty-six hundred responses. A summary of the results should be going up later this week, I think.
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Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5279

>>5276

I'm more talking about paying less mind to such things as being helpful and pointing out the specific issues. The simple sentence "Your prose wasn't up to our standards" covers a lot.

Anonymous 5280

>>5272
I might be misremembering, but didn't you say you were going to stay out of these threads?

>>5279
Weren't you the guy who made a large show about Pre-readers being unclear with their corrections about that story of Twilight and Rainbow Dash shooting stuff?

>>5276
Shouldn't you guys just ditch the whole thing and send a big yes, or a big no, and tell everyone to sit on it if they don't like it? I think that would make everything better.

Or if that's too hard, make an outreach to places that offer review help and stuff and use them as first filter before they can reach you guys. Not to actually reject anyone, just tell them "go there and get some help before thinking about bringing it here with all your Cheeto dust on it". I think that would alleviate some of the work and maybe make the whole system better.
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Ion-Sturm 5281

>>5274
And would you be willing to present these pre-made responses so that we can see the information they contain?

>personal review templates that some pre-readers use.

>some
Global standards is one of the things you're shooting for, is it not?

>>5280
I might be misremembering, but when have I ever consistently lived up to my promises?

PR Bear 5282

>>5281
>And would you be willing to present these pre-made responses so that we can see the information they contain?

I don't actually know what goes in a rejection notice that doesn't get past the fic box, but I believe it's a form letter with a short bullet-point list of grammatical errors. If you remember the bingo card from one of the Ponychan threads, you'll know what kind of bullet points.

>Global standards is one of the things you're shooting for, is it not?


Standards in the contents of the letters we send out, not in the way they are arranged. A standard template for letters would do little for the internal consistency we're striving for and would probably just make it more confusing as to who the letter's from.

>>5280
>Shouldn't you guys just ditch the whole thing and send a big yes, or a big no, and tell everyone to sit on it if they don't like it?

That's what's being discussed.

Anonymous 5283

>>5282
If you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the reasoning behind the "Yes/No" answer? Don't authors deserve to know why they were rejected? Or, at the very least, can't PRs take the extra five minutes to write out their thoughts so that the writer in question can know just what to fix?

Anonymous 5284

>>5282
After some sleep and thinking, that option will only cause more drama than it's worth and it's probably just going to end up with Seth getting bombarded with e-mails and then we all know what that will cause.

So go for my second option; not only does it make beginners other people's problems, if they can't get through a normal review without giving up, I doubt they will try for EqD. And who knows, maybe stories will stop being so much shit.

>>5283
The large workload and, I'm just speculating here, how most authors probably get their rejection, stick it in as far as it goes, and then never do anything with it ever again. Then, later, they go to their blogs and bitch about how the Pre-readers have small dicks and like it from sea lions.

Anonymous 5285

>>5284
I feel bad that most authors never come back, especially because I know for a fact that many of the people on this board will work tirelessly to get their story to EqD quality, whether it's ultimately accepted or sent to the Sun. I can't help but feel as though it'd be an unintentional discrimination (nothing against the PRs, because I know you guys deal with a lot of shit) against people who actually make an effort to improve.

I know, for example, that I've sent in fics that I've gotten reviewed elsewhere whose problems weren't readily apparent to many other reviewers. If, say, a PR has a problem with comma splicing and no other reviewer has noticed that yet, you're not going to have any idea what to fix when you get it back. You can fix it all you like, but if you end up believing that the problem is, say, characterization when it's really something grammatical, you might as well just give up. The institution of this kind of policy would greatly decrease the amount of resubmits, as people wouldn't have any idea of what to fix. EqD would become a "get it in on your first try or go away and die" publishing company, with no room for small errors.

Maybe there could be a bit of a compromise? Perhaps literally unreadable stories—and I'm talking Fimfiction swill bad, not /fic/ mid-editing bad—could be rejected with a note to get an editor, while fics that are well-written enough, but have anywhere from a few to a moderate amount of problems can be sent back with a short list of fixes? It's the difference between, say, "Gary Stu OC gose to Equstria and Meats celesta" and a five-times reviewed /fic/ story that, sadly, has a few grammar mistakes and a scene that the PR dislikes. The first would be rejected (Y/N), while the latter would have its flaws clearly and politely noted.

This relieves the pressure on the PRs, as those with shitty stories in the first place are unlikely to resubmit anyway (this is my furst stori guise!!!), and those willing to work will probably have done their best to make it EqD-ready even before submitting at first, and so would be more willing to work.

Just a thought.

Anonymous 5286

>>5285
Then you will have people calling discrimination, favouritism, and other mean words. Which, if we are honest, it's probably going to be true if your compromise is established. Even without the compromise, having a friend who is a pre-reader would probably become the only real way to know what powers hath you angered, and even then it would be kind of tricky because sometimes the pre-readers personal writing preferences are put as corrections.

All in all, a yes and no system is probably going to cause more trouble than good unless they actively want people to start hating them.

Which why they should just get the lower tier people to do the job!

Ion-Sturm 5289

>>5282
Well then, would you be able to pester someone who does have those forms so that they may be posted here?

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Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5293

>>5280
Just sliding in late to say that no, lack of clarity wasn't the issue.

That's all.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 5297

>>5289
On hiatus from pre-reading and running the ficbox, but here's our standard form:

"Thank you for your submission. However, due to issues with [RECURRING ISSUE X], [RECURRING ISSUE Y], and [RECURRING ISSUE Z], it cannot be forwarded to the pre-readers. This does not count as a strike.

All the best,
The EqD Team"

A shorter variation on this message is used when we autoreject for length/porn/banned content (Cupcakes, etc) and the like, but the basic form remains the same.
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Ion-Sturm 5300

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>>5297
>>5274
As I thought, this does nothing to explain how to fix the problems, ergo why I suggested pre-made directions for the writer to follow. It could even be as simple as a link to the Omnibus that says "Please refer to Sections X, Y and Z".

Snarkle(at)Office 5301

>>5300
Note, this is the ficbox rejection, not the pre-reader rejection. This is before it's even pre-read, and is rejected for consideration at all due to obvious spelling, grammar, word-count, content, etc, errors.

5302

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>>5301
It would still be of merit for helping new writers.

And on that note, what of pre-reader rejections, then?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5303

>>5302
As different pre-readers have different reviewing styles, it wouldn't behoove us to have identical forms. Some wing it on each review, and some have copy-pasta that they paste in when certain explanations are needed. And the types of things that ficbox automatically rejects are things that any halfway competent reviewer could find without prompting. There is debate about how much help pre-readers should or should not be giving writers, but spoon-feeding basic grammar and spelling is not something we can take the time to do.

Anonymous 5304

>>5303
Thanks for the clarification.

Anyways, I'm a bit confused here. Are we debating whether the PRs should point out problems, or actually help the writers? Because I'd be fine if a PR just gave a list of "Problems include: Show, Don't Tell, LUS, etc" without any definitions (along with a link to the Omnibus and/or /fic/ at the end of every rejection). After all, the PR's already thinking about it, so why not put those down on paper?

If someone's actually asking the PR to take the time out of their day to explain why SDT is a bad thing, or where, exactly, it needs to be stopped (and how), then I agree that the PRs shouldn't be expected to go that far.
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Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5305

>>5304
Personally, I have no problem with giving a more detailed review and explaining why things are wrong instead of just listing what. I rather like helping authors like that. And your reasoning is part of that: I'm already taking notes to help me decide whether to accept or reject a story, so what's the harm in sharing those with the author? However, the yes/no system under debate would discourage or even prevent me from doing so. There are ways around it, of course, but each has its own logistical difficulties. Suffice it to say that I'll continue giving detailed feedback, but it may become unwieldy to do so.

The problem is that we don't want to create the expectation that it's our job to assist the writers with their stories, but clamp down on that too hard, and it prevents those that do so voluntarily from helping. Hence the debate.

Ion-Sturm 5306

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>>5303
The point of them is to be used for common problems that plague stories. Linking them would take a matter of seconds; the good done by this far outweighs the time spent. You are not "spoon-feeding" them, you are providing resources that handle that for you.

>As different pre-readers have different reviewing styles, it wouldn't behoove us to have identical forms.

This doesn't stop them from doing so, merely gives them a pre-made response for easy referral. And again, isn't one of the objectives of this survey to bring about some sort of standardization to the system?



On a separate but somewhat related note, how many pre-readers are there? I can't help but notice that Mr. Skypirates seems to have his stamp on many of the stories posted to EqD, and that leads me to believe he's pulling a lot of weight (or perhaps just likes posting things). Is there a minimum quota of stories to be reviewed by each PR during a time limit? Lighting a fire under some of the less-driven PRs might help bump up the turnover rate and render this entire exercise as unneeded.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5307

>>5306
>The point of them is to be used for common problems that plague stories.
Common problems shouldn't be hard to find solutions for. If a writer can't be bothered to do his own homework, I'm not going out of my way for him, either. And that includes failing to visit reviewing resources that we routinely link.

>This doesn't stop them from doing so, merely gives them a pre-made response for easy referral. And again, isn't one of the objectives of this survey to bring about some sort of standardization to the system?

Now you're talking about two different things. I was responding to your request to see what forms might be in existence. Whether we adopt a standard one is still something to be resolved.

>On a separate but somewhat related note, how many pre-readers are there?

That number varies widely, depending on whether you count everyone on the mailing list or just the ones that aren't on varying levels of hiatus.

>I can't help but notice that Mr. Skypirates seems to have his stamp on many of the stories posted to EqD, and that leads me to believe he's pulling a lot of weight (or perhaps just likes posting things).

Yes, he's one of the heavy lifters, but his name shows up more on posts because he's one of the few that cares to put quotes on stories, and does so quite consistently. I, for one, never give quotes.

>Is there a minimum quota of stories to be reviewed by each PR during a time limit? Lighting a fire under some of the less-driven PRs might help bump up the turnover rate and render this entire exercise as unneeded.

There is no quota. And surely taking volunteers who already get occasional rage blogs and hate mail, then pushing them past the point that it's enjoyable will help matters. It's best to let everyone work at their own pace.

Anonymous 5308

>>5305
>However, the yes/no system under debate would discourage or even prevent me from doing so.

So I'm a bit confused. Are you telling me that there prereaders opposed to even sharing their lists of reasons for rejection? Or that they'd prefer to just take one look at the first paragraph and throw it out immediately, without any justification?

(Not trying to be antagonistic here; just a bit confused as to the source of this whole issue)

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5309

>>5308
The question of yes/no responses on the recent survey was just that: whether rejections would simply say it wasn't being accepted and nothing else. Frankly, we have that ability now. Pre-readers are free to give as little or as much feedback as we like. But there's a push to have everyone give the same amount of feedback, which would be little to none.

5311

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>>5307
>If a writer can't be bothered to do his own homework, I'm not going out of my way for him, either. And that includes failing to visit reviewing resources that we routinely link.
And I agree but, as the sticky here can attest to, people will pass over even the most obvious of resources.

>Yes, he's one of the heavy lifters, but his name shows up more on posts because he's one of the few that cares to put quotes on stories, and does so quite consistently. I, for one, never give quotes.

Is there a particular reason why not? I should think that if you pass a story, it's because you noticed something of worth in it. I'm not sure whether anyone bothers tracking view stats on stories submitted to EqD, but I can only imagine that those with a PR quote will draw more eyes (as has happened in a few cases for me, personally). I'm not sure if this was one of the questions asked on the survey, but I feel as if it would be best that PRs provide a short bit on why they think the story is worth posting, not just to generate interest, but to also give a feeling on what other readers can expect going into the story.

As-is, I would be inclined to ask for Mr. Skypirates specifically simply to raise my chances of getting a quote (specific PRs can be requested, correct?)

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5312

>>5311
We've looked at view counts for stories that got a quote versus ones that didn't. The difference was little to none. Stories that get posted are already being singled out as higher quality. They don't need to be singled out yet again. I won't begrudge anyone their desire to add a quote, but I don't see the point. If people aren't drawn in by the synopsis (or, sadly, the cover art, tags, and FiMFic upvotes), nothing I say is going to convince people it's any more worth reading. Plus I don't want to bang my head against the keyboard for an additional ten minutes trying to think of something that sounds clever in my head but falls flat in print.

5314

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>>5306
>>5311
Ion, are you bothering the prereaders again?

5315

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>>5314
What, who, me?
Nawwwww.

>>5312
Ah, really? Well, it worked on me, so I assumed the same would apply for others, but oh well.

Still, if a shitty story gets you to list what doesn't work and how to fix it, it only seems fair that a story you actually enjoyed would get a pat on the back and a quote. But that's just me.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5316

>>5315
>it only seems fair that a story you actually enjoyed would get a pat on the back
It does. It's called "having your story posted on Equestria Daily."

Anonymous 5325

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Ion-Sturm 5335

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So, the survey results have been posted. Individual pre-reader thoughts (I'm banking on you not all being a hivemind connected to a network controlled by Nicholas Cage here)?

Anonymous 5391

>>5325
Is he wrong? They may both be stagnant pools, but at least one is free enough for creativity to have a chance.

And frankly, the other has long since embraced itself as an insular collective. Whereas the unfiltered, unfettered chaos of /mlp/ has given rise to the occasional gems of some random contributor or another.

It adheres to Stugeon's Law - 90% of everything is garbage. You simply have to wade through the majority slag to get to the rare good stuff.

In the other, however, while the slag isn't quit so disgusting or abhorrent, neither is there the possibility of anything special within it, at least not anymore. It's all one big gray boredom.

Croswynd 5392

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>>3946

So…

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 5423

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You guys ever decide on whether you'd spotlight old, completed fics, or do a roundup or what have you?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5425

>>5423
Nope. We're going to have an internal discussion about such things in the near future.

Medievalman 5443

I have a question regarding tags.

If a story that contains a crossover changes the world of Equestria (i.e a sci-fi setting rather than fantasy) but does not include the characters or the universe that it crosses over with, does the story also need an Alt Universe tag along with the Crossover tag?

Snarkle(at)Office 5444

>>5443
Well, it's a matter of accuracy. If there are recognizable elements from the crossover 'verse, I'd suggest [Crossover]. It is the nature of a crossover to introduce foreign elements, so AU isn't necessarily needed. That said, I started a series as a crossover, and now tag the follow-up tales as AU as it's back to ponies but slightly skewed.

5584

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Okay, let's say I wrote a "crossover" where the mane six put the theater play version of Pride and Prejudice. The story would be about putting on a stage play, and the only parts that would be "find and replace" would be snippets where the characters rehearsed their lines and such. Would this be something that you would be willing to post?

Snarkle(at)Office 5593

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>>5584
I… have difficulty seeing how that's a 'crossover'. Your characters are actually putting on a play, not assuming the roles, environments, or situations of Austen's England.

EDIT: To answer your question, it's ponies doing things. If the ponies are doing things, and being ponies, and it is written well, then I'd be willing to post it.
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5596

>>5593
okay, thanks

Snarkle(at)Office 5599

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>>5596
My pleasure.
(Now, if you mean the characters find that, somehow, in some sort of Stoppard-esque event, they begin to become the characters they portray, and realities begin to blend together, and yet you still pull the story out and make it coherent? I shall find where you live, ring your doorbell, and give you a hug. Beard included.)

soundslikeponies!bQsJPGMNfw 5637

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Why is it so hard to get blogponies to change story details?

(Current average for me to actually get a story detail changed is 3 emails)

EDIT: I'm starting to doubt whether I'm emailing the right email. Do I email [email protected] for story changes?
EDIT-EDIT: Okay well, it's changed, but they put me in a second story update post. I guess they only read 2 of the 3 lines in the email.
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Tactical 5887

Wow, dead thread. Hope someone still watches this, because I need a pre-reader for something.

I've been having an argument over the Fanfic Box about one of my stories. It's title is Taut Strings, Soft Lips. After my last email I did not get a response. Is this story currently in the to-be-evaluated list proper, or should I pursue this further?

5900

>>5887
The most recent note I have on this story is that it was auto-rejected for linking to mature content.
I looked at the story, and yes, there is a link to what could undoubtedly be called mature content - and possibly foalshipping, but as I only skimmed I can't say - at the very beginning.
This is likely what it was autorejected for, but the email should serve to help us out here. As I do not have the rejection message, could you repost it here?

5905

>>5900
Hasn't EqD posted borderline clopfics before? How is this any different?

Tactical 5906

I'm posting from my phone between getting stuff done, so sorry but that'll have to wait. I'll get around to that.

I had asked that the explicit version be evaluated for how honestly much it needs to be censored. Do you already have an opinion on that? If not, i would be much obliged if you would mark it as needing such.

The fic is not erotic, has no offensive content, has all of one paragraph that is definitely over the line, and that one paragraph is extremely tasteful; there is no way that this would be deemed adults-only material by a real publisher or whatever. I am willing to edit out wording like "blah blah inside me" but i am certainly not willing to amend the fact that this is plainly a sex scene.

The rest of what i have to say is… a lot of opinions. Would you be willing to discuss this here?
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Tactical!fRainBOoMw 5910

>incorrect password

I dug back through my emails, and there's really nothing to the rejection letter except that the link has to go.

What I'm saying is that I'd like help in editing this as little as possible. This is more family friendly than a lot of other things that go through to EQD–the only reason anyone would have a problem with it is if they have a religious aversion to any honest and realistic treatment of sexuality.

Quite frankly I don't think this even counts as an explicit description of sex.

I am prepared to "sell out" and reduce this thing's rating, but only to an extent.

Tactical 5991

Well, I can take a fucking hint. Thanks for… Yeah, whatever.

Edited version forthcoming.

5997

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>>5991
I should start answering questions for them again, since they don't seem to be bothering :P. Either that, or my doing so will bring them anyways to bitch about it, so it's a win/win.

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 5999

>>5997
Ion? Butting in when he doesn't know what's been going on? Say it isn't so!

These questions have been answered ad nauseum in several forums. When I see something new being said, I'll respond.

6000


Really? That's not the best way to get a Pre-reader to want to help you.

Be less of a douche about your request, and we will be more than happy to help you.

From what I see of your responses, absolutely no one in the Pre-reader team would want to work with you.

This is as blunt as I can get without being rude.

TL;DR: Be less of a douche, say please and thanks. You draw in people with honey more than you do with vinegar.

Tactical 6001

>>5910
>opinions re: stuff that has been discussed ad nauseum, and also a request for a small favor

Pointedly ignored.

>>5991
>being a douche about not getting so much as "sorry, can't help you, drop it already"

Immediate response.

Tell me again about honey and vinegar.

6002

>>6001

The queue has been backed up. We've been working on clearing out 2+ month old fics.

Besides, I haven't seen your fic, so I know this happens to us every so often.

Come on, you know how life is.

Tactical 6003

>>5637
>obvious exasperation; implicit criticism that people are fumbling stuff back there

Last post in the thread for god knows how long.

>>5991
>getting passive-aggressive about being intentionally ignored

This happens.

Anyway, I understand what you're saying, it's just that nobody said what you just did until I unthinkingly baited out a spite reply, which I really am sorry about, I wish I'd thought to take the high road, but I would prefer that it had gone another way.
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6004

>>6003

You mean the auto-moon, or the eroticism that you were trying to get past us?

Also, you do realize you could post that separately, rather than attempting to sneak it past us by including the NSFW variant of your story in the A/N?

Edit: Heck, you could also have set it up as an AU — alternate universe.
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6005

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>>5999
See? Win.

Tactical 6006

I got silence in response to "could you tell me what needs to change a la an actual mooned letter," I got silence in response to "did you get my request for an actual mooned letter," I got silence in response to "would you humor me and give some kind of response to the fact that I'm buttmad about our clash of morals," and I got "wow, nobody would want to work with a douche like you" when I called you out for intentionally ignoring those things.

Oh and Thank you, by the way, for accusing me of trying to sneak dirty smut past you by censoring it even though I didn't think it needed to be censored. I appreciate being talked to that way. Feel free to ban me from submitting anything else from here on.

6008

>>6006

Censored stuff is still NSFW.

You should know better than to try to attach it to an existing story.

Why'd you do that when you could've posted it separately?

It's not that difficult. Really, it isn't, and your responses so far tells me that you don't want to spend more than the absolute minimum to get your stories posted on EqD.

You KNOW damned well better.

6009

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>>5910
>>5991
>>6006
>>6003

I would like to politely offer a formal apology for the amount of time that you've waited on this matter, however, it's been five days, the prereader queue is massive, and frankly, you're getting combative over questions and requests that are beyond the scope of the people you're asking. You are effectively, at this point, yelling at a Shoe Carnival employee because your socks don't match your trousers.

I won't hold that against you. Instead, I'd like to explain your fallacy in thinking "vinegar instead of honey" works. See, in your "honey" posts, you requested favors and information beyond that which most prereaders would usually do for any rejected applicants:

>What I'm saying is that I'd like help in editing this as little as possible.

Equestria Daily is not in the business of editing submissions. You asked for it as a favor, true, but this basic point still stands.

>I had asked that the explicit version be evaluated for how honestly much it needs to be censored. Do you already have an opinion on that? If not, i would be much obliged if you would mark it as needing such.

Equestria Daily is not in the business of pointing out specifically when, where, and how stories cross the line. It's been answered before, but I'll reiterate: there's no 45 degree rule. If your story is over the line, you should theoretically be able to use good judgement (or other reviewers' good judgment) to find it. However, it seems your own judgment is slightly warped on this piece:

>The fic is not erotic, has no offensive content, has all of one paragraph that is definitely over the line, and that one paragraph is extremely tasteful;

Perhaps I'm of a more conservative mindset, but graphic sex between two underaged characters probably falls under "offensive content." Having read your story for this "one paragraph" (which is really more like 5-9 paragraphs, due to dialogue), it's not really… tasteful, either. Although you seem to think you're safe by not saying "penis" or "vagina," the sex is fairly explicit.

So, what does this all mean? In short, your "honey" post was asking for far too much from the prereaders in the first place, regardless of the fact that it was being done for a story where it might be downright impossible or impractical to remove the questionable content. What I mean is that you've got a story that builds up to a penultimate sex scene (which, fun fact: that's how a number of erotica pieces work), but without that payoff, the pacing needs adjustment to compensate.

Finally, discounting the "vinegar" that you resorted to, the very fact that you've gone on record saying you've considered "sneaking in" a link to the over-the-line content (see the attached screenshot) makes several prereaders ambivalent towards helping you get your story posted on Equestria Daily. Where's the guarantee that, if we spend the extra time on this story, that we're not going to end up posting graphic sex on the blog? You, and only you, have violated that trust.

Your unabridged story is over the line. It is not Equestria Daily's job to tell you how much needs to be removed in order for it to be posted. Including a link to the unabridged version will disqualify your story for evaluation for Equestria Daily, let alone posting (meaning, if you even get the content level sorted out, you've still got to get approved).

Anonymous 6011

>>6009
>>6009
Hasn't it been mentioned you guys are a publishing house? You guys do know that's exactly what a publishing house does, right?

Grab a story, like it enough to then go back and tell the writer "change X so it can be published," then publish it?

6012

>>6011

We're not an official publishing house.

We do not pay authors for their works.

Anonymous 6013

>>6008

How? By the rule addressing this issue specifically? By the fact that you've autorejected everything I've sent in due to the hardcore clop all over it and therefore all over the sidebar? Or by the fact that you've never, ever accepted sexual humor, sexual awakening fics, or allusions to sex, because all sexual content is equally dangerous and should be hidden with the same zeal?

My original idea for censoring it was a reasonable mistake, my defense of my decision is not in defiance of any explicit rules, especially since you DENIED me an explicit judgement upon how much of the actual content is actually unacceptable, and your continued insistence that my two posts before this shitstorm were unreasonable and/or rude is inappropriate.

And this shouldn't even matter, but when I said minimum changes I mean minimum censorship, not minimum effort. Surely you can understand my desire to preserve the meaning and emotional honesty in what is in many ways the most important scene of the story.

6014

>>6011
Well, first, there's some debate that one could have on whether or not EQD is a publishing house.

Secondly, you yourself said that the "give feedback" part only happens on stories that are close enough to publishing / liked enough to warrant it.

Third, if someone sends in erotica to a family-friendly publishing house, that house isn't really going to say, "Here's what you need to do to fit in with our guidelines."

>>6013
>My original idea for censoring it was a reasonable mistake, my defense of my decision is not in defiance of any explicit rules, especially since you DENIED me an explicit judgement upon how much of the actual content is actually unacceptable, and your continued insistence that my two posts before this shitstorm were unreasonable and/or rude is inappropriate.
First, you were denied something that you weren't entitled to in the first place. So, maybe it wasn't unreasonable for you to ask, but I think it was unreasonable for you to expect the response you wanted.

Secondly… if it's a mistake to censor the explicit portions of your story, and the explicit portions are what's keeping it from Equestria Daily… what is this discussion even about? You don't want to change your story, but it can't go up as-is, so… what is your goal here today?

Anonymous 6015

>>6012
I think the proper answer then is: no, we are nothing like a publishing house.

Also, the not getting paid is a specious point, the way things gets done is what defines a publishing house, a vanity press, or self-publishing. Yes, I raided a thesaurus for that word.

Well, I now know for the future if I send anything.

>>6014
Actually, all stories get feedback, haven't you ever seen a publishing house rejection letter?

But it was more of a misunderstanding of how you people dealt with stuff. I have heard from others prereaders called it a publishing house, so I thought it worked liked one. It seems it doesn't.

Tactical 6016

Shit.

Sorry for starting something like this and then ditching, but I can't handle this while on my phone and pressing pie crust.

This is gonna have to wait. I'm real sorry about that.

6017

>>6011

I think there's some confusion about why EqD accepts stories.

It's not for the benefit of the authors. It's for the benefit of the readers.

I'm not sure what's left to say about this fic. Speaking personally, I think it's a good story in all of its forms. However, only one of those forms is suitable for posting on EqD, and you know which one it is. And yes, the link has to go.

Whether or not EqD is a publishing house is beside the point. This is a thoroughly volunteer effort, based around a website, and it's silly to try and hold it to the standards of a professional business. The rules are clearly posted for you when you click the 'submit' button, and nothing is promised except that the pre-readers will evaluate your story for suitability. Anything they provide on top of that is entirely a bonus.

I think you have two paths to chose from:

1. Delete the link from the 'censored' version and ask for it to be evaluated on its merits. I can't speak for the pre-readers, but I think it would be accepted.

2. Decide that the artistic integrity of the story requires it to be uncensored, and withdraw it from consideration for posting to EqD.

I hope you go with the first choice, but it's up to you.

Anonymous 6018

>>6017
Who the hell are you?

6020

>>6018

My name and email should be posted at the top of this message. If it's not showing for some reason, I'm Cold in Gardez, a sometime fanfic author who has been through the submission and review process a few times.

6021

>>6019

What about it?

I can see that there's a multiple version of the story, but that's stated in the post.

That's fine with us. What's not fine with us is attempting to sneak it by us, especially with having gone on record in stating this.

6022

>>6015
http://spywriter.com/rejection.html

One of the first things that comes up when you google "publishing house rejection letters."

Now, there seem to be "levels" to rejection:

http://www.charlottedillon.com/RejectionLetters.html

But… I think you're implying that Equestria Daily both does and should give constructive feedback with every auto-rejection. Which is silly.

6023

>>6021
Sorry, I deleted my post 'cause I thought Cold in Gardez was a PR, then I read the realized he wasn't.

So you'd be fine with having a blog post similar to the one for The Things We Need, where the author's preferred text version is linked in the note after the tags?

Tactical 6024

All right fine one more.

To Gardez: my intention was/is to create a new edited version. The current one is nothing more than a hamfisted removal of the objectionable content. If

I had Hoped that this conversation would guide me in that, but it looks like it's no dice on that one.

To everyone else: would a note at the end of the synopsis saying "the unedited version has some objectionable content and can be found on my profile" be acceptable?

6025

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>>6018
He's a better writer than any of us plebs will ever be.

>>6024
>To everyone else: would a note at the end of the synopsis saying "the unedited version has some objectionable content and can be found on my profile" be acceptable?
Ah, this is the question I was going to ask to legitimize my post's pandering to Gardez. In that case, allow me to elaborate: I've been curious about this grey area as well. Assuming it was a degree or two removed (as in, not directly linked to in the story itself or as a separate chapter in the same story [on FiMFiction, for example]), is informing the reader that a more racy version of the story is available be allowed? EqD already has somewhat of a precedent in this regard, with that "Bonus" chapter of Fallout: Equestria being posted (and just Fallout: Equestria's subject matter in general, but everybody knows it got preferential treatment).

6026

>>6024
Only if plaintext, with no link. We can't stop readers from searching through your profile to find erotic literature, but we don't want to set the precedent of "here's a link to some too-hot-for-EQD stuff" in story profiles.

We also don't want to have to set a precedent for "how to deal with authors who change their synopsis a few weeks down the line to sneak in an explicit link." Don't make us do that, OK?

Tactical 6027

More than anything else, my decision to be honest was motivated by a desire to man up and not lie about what I had written. I didn't want to deny the fact that there was an explicit version, not even for a sneaky self-serving purpose.

And, I won't lie, I was also interested in how this whole thing would play out. What I did not figure on was the silent treatment that caused me to start all this shit.

Also please note that my email asked that the explicit version of the story be put into the queue proper so that I could hear about it in the form of an actual first strike letter. That was my actual request, and part of my post was asking if that request had been acted upon.

I also apologize that my judgement is so warped that EDIT: sorry, I'll spare you.

If I send in a version that toes the line but does not have the link, THEN will I get a first strike instead of a "stop being a douche?"

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 6028

>>6027
If it makes it through the ficbox, yes, you'll get a response. That's always been the case. But you have received no such silent treatment. I've seen evidence that people have engaged you via email and IRC on this. I don't know why you thought you'd get a different answer here.

6550

How much of these fics do you read?

Recently, a friend of mine told me about this story: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/story-death-note-equestria.html

Now, I have never read it, and I do not watch the anime, but my friend—who I implicitly trust and highly respect—tells me that this story is almost exactly the same as the anime. The same characters die, just their pony substitutions, the events are nearly identical. The "death God" from the anime is Ryuk, and in the story it's Byuk.

This sounds dangerously close to plagiarism, doesn't it? I mean, if the SAME characters die at the SAME times as the anime for the SAME reasons, isn't that just copy/pasting? All you're doing is changing the names and places, but no original thought really went into the plot. Crossovers aren't supposed to be rip-offs, but loving tributes. This just feels like the same exact thing, just with ponies.

If it is the job of the pre-reader to ensure only quality stories make it on the site, then shouldn't more care be taken to ensure originality?

Pres-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 6552

>>6550
I haven't read the story in question, so I can't comment on that aspect of it, but yes, it's a bad thing when an author just substitutes pony characters into a crossover without changing the story, or a "cookie-cutter crossover," as we call it. In such a case, we have competing interests. On one hand, it's better to have someone who's familiar with the crossover evaluate it, since he'd be better equipped to detect this problem. On the other hand, it's better to have someone unfamiliar read it so we can ensure it has broader appeal and doesn't rely too much on knowledge of the crossover material to understand the story. It's inevitable that some things will fall through the cracks, but again, I can't say that this one did.

Gushnor 6553

>>6550

Standards did not exist in 2011. But we do now. So this story would not make it if something similar would be sent in today. This is an example of the kind of story you shouldn't be sending.

Lucky Roll 6918

Hi there!

Could one of you please tell me how much time does it take for the proofreaders to answer a fic-submission nowadays? I'm only asking because in my past experiences, EqD always answered within 2-5 days, but now I haven't heard from you since I got the automatic "noreply" email 12 days ago. I'm starting to wonder if my submission got eaten by the 404 demon, but I didn't want to submit the story again, as it's possible that the proofreaders are on holiday and/or (more likely) are simply too busy. Thank you for your answer in advance!

6919

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>>6918
There are currently over eighty fics in the queue. Going by recent experience, it'll take anywhere from two to four weeks to get a reply, depending on PR availability. So don't sweat it—just sit back, chill out, and go work on something else while you wait. You'll get a reply eventually.

Lucky Roll 6920

I see. Thank you very much for your time!

Tactical 6921

Yeah, I'm getting on five weeks, and that's for a short fic on its first strike resubmission. I asked the same question as you, and Pasco got indignant, but the only reason I thought of it is because the response time has been very fast by comparison more often than not ever since the new system.

Anyway, thank you all for your thankless and endless volunteer work. I'm not sure what perverted parts of you find this stuff satisfying, but your service is admirable.

vimbert!23hC9EoLsg 6922

>>6918
>>6919
Yes, the story is in our queue. Response times of a month are getting to be a little more common, much as I hate it.

Anonymous 6924

>>6922
What's the main reason behind this? I'm just curious: are there more submissions? Fewer prereaders? Seth flooding the inbox with Trixie fics?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 6926

>>6924
Several of the high-volume PRs have retired or taken a break. We've brought in a couple new ones. There also seem to have been more submissions the last few months.

Anonymous 6928

>>6926
What if you got Seth to make a blog post asking for more PRs?
This post was edited by its author on .

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 6930

>>6928
We had… mixed results from the last such call. We still get applications even without advertising

Anonymous 6939

>>6930
How many newpone have you taken on in the past few months, as opposed to those that have left?

Pre-reader 63.546!vZ.Mh9z92U 6940

>>6939
One in March and one earlier this month. Tough to say how many left, as they're mostly ones that haven't actually been pre-reading in a while and just now made it official. So, we've probably only lost one or two active ones.


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