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New Episode Streaming & Discussion 2676[Last 50 Posts]

This week's episode is titled Sleepless in Ponyville and the synopsis is:
Over a campfire, Rainbow Dash decides to share some imaginative and spooky tales, causing Scootaloo to have frightening, vivid nightmares; Scootaloo wants to get rid of her nightmares but doesn't want the others to think she is spineless."

Airing, streaming information and YouTube links
The episode will air this Saturday at 10:30AM Eastern 7:30AM Pacific

A live stream is available at http://www.bronystate.net/theater/spike/ and we will be discussing the episode as it airs at http://ponychat.net/webchat/?autojoin=%23MLPchan.

Missed the live stream? Have no fear!
720p is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--4sx3VDUw

Starting topics
>What do you think the lesson will be?
>Are you excited for the first Scootaloo episode?
>The synopsis suggests this may be Dash's first major role of the season.
>Do you think we'll see where Scootaloo lives? An if so are you looking forward to to the death of Homeless scoots
Please remember to tag spoilers properly
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Spoilers be here!
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Rallinale!S9SRMzWuhw 2677

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I am looking forward to how this episode is going to play out. Scootaloo really needs some development.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2678

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>Everyone gets scared, but it's no reason to think that makes you weaker.
>Yes
>Yes and yes

Couple of tidbits to add. First, we can apparently expect a small "nerd-out" moment.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2679

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Second, this episode's premise was submitted during last year's summer.

Sort of weird to think that the episode we're just getting now was being worked on back when we were still waiting for season 2 to start.

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 2680

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The twist is Rainbow Dash's stories are all true.

>>2678

Fuck yeah nerding out. One day they'll invent an substance you can shoot into your arm that causes nerding out.

ShokBox!SonicOTKmM 2681

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>What do you think the lesson will be?

"Being afraid of something is okay. Everypony has something that they are afraid of, after all. Fear doesn't make you weak, but sometimes, it takes a friend to help you overcome it."

>Are you excited for the first Scootaloo episode?


Yes!

>The synopsis suggests this may be Dash's first major role of the season.


If they fuck it up, I will find them, murder them in their sleep, take their bodies to the taxidermist, then put them on display in my living room and let my cat use them as scratching posts!



…okay, not really. But I will be very disappointed.

I'll stay optimistic, though.

>Do you think we'll see where Scootaloo lives? An if so are you looking forward to to the death of Homeless scoots


Well, the synopsis states that the scary story is told over a campfire, so I'd say we're more likely to see Scoots and Dash out in the woods somewhere instead of Scoot's house.

However, the rest of the episode suggests that the camping is only in the beginning of the episode, and that the rest takes place back in Ponyville, so it's still possible that we'll see Scoot's place.

2682

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Finally best CMC gets her own episode.

Geldon 2683

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>>2678
Hopefully it's the worst, most whiny 27% that's dragging down the fandom. You know who you are.

But yeah, I'm looking forward to this episode. At times, Scootaloo is best pony, about time she got fleshed out a bit.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2684

Just FYI. His "nerd out moment" comment stemmed from a conversation I had with him about the fanbase's tendency to over analyze certain things.

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 2685

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2686

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>>2684
Hmm. Maybe it will be centered around whether the stories are part of canon?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2687

>>2686
That would be very interesting. I'd like that a lot.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2688

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Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2689

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I'm excited for this episode, but I probably won't see it until Sunday or even Monday. Got a pretty busy weekend ahead,

>>2683
You mean they'll make an episode about how clopping is bad? [/sarcasm]

cheery 2690

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>>2683
You mean Rainbow Dash fans?

I kid, I kid!

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2691

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>>2689

Hope it goes well~

>>2690

cheery 2692

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>>2691
Yeah I know, that was a stupid thing to say

There's no way as many as 27% of the fandom are Rainbow Dash fans

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2693

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>>2692

No, there's clearly a lot more than that~

The Person Who Posts As Fluttershy 2694

>>2693
Isn't Rainbow Dash the most popular pony?

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2695

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>>2694
All the polls I've seen have always had Twilight as the most popular one.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2696

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Sforzando !Bro...SupU 2697

>>2696
I don't see why that matters…

Geldon 2698

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>>2694
>>2695
Rainbow Dash used to win the Internet "most popular pony" polls. I wonder what happened to her that caused her to fall in the polls?

Probably her fans.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2699

>>2698
The chans are a large percentage of the bronies, and her threads always devolve into endless screaming about Merriweather and how the character is ruined forever, so ya, she's fallen.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2700

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>>2698
>>2699

No it's definitely not that she's got a bad showing in a certain some of her episodes; no, it's always the people you specifically don't like that ruin everything.

No one remembers the vitriol for Dash following TMMDW…which was most of the reason for us fighting in the first place.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2701

>>2700
>No one remembers the vitriol for Dash following TMMDW…which was most of the reason for us fighting in the first place
If you're smart enough to know where the blame lies for that episode, then you should also be smart enough to ignore them. To you, they're blind to the truth, even if it's just your idea of the truth, and despite the fervor of your convictions on the matter, you can't reason with someone, or shout at them until they can see.

2702

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This is exactly the sort of decisive stuff that hurts our community.

cheery 2703

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>>2702
Woops, was only joking, didn't mean to start a derail

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2704

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>>2703

I was just joining in with the joke.

Oh and this >>2696 was just like "sadly it must be true…" since everyone seems to be taking issue with it :/

>>2701

You can't ignore them when they're like 95% of the fandom at the time. That's when it's time to fight back or risk it turning into the new status-quo. :/

Applejinx !tDashiepow 2705

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27%, eh? over-analyze, eh? Numbers mean things.

I'm callin' it: this episode fuels AppleDash shippers (or, Scootaloo is gay) :) I'm saying this because of the 27% part being lost. If that's true, there are two other episodes in store which are daring in some way, too. Would like to see what 309 and 312 are supposed to be, now.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2706

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Holy fuck it's starting.

Umbra♂!Incubusypk 2707

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Giddy up

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2708

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>my face so far

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2709

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Dem Dash faces at Scootaloo…

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2710

Scootaloo episode! Finalllllyyyy!!


?]They ruined Sweetie Belle!

Her talent was supposed to be singing, then all of a sudden this season it sounds awful.[/?]

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2711

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More reactions. More reaction pics for mlpchan!

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2712

>>2710
Use [*h][/*h] without the asterisks to hide portions of your posts.

Anonthony!EEEEEEEE2c 2713

LUNA CONFIRMED STEALING THE SHOW

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2714

What? Nobody is going to wail about RD being insensitive or Rarity going Princess Platinum Super Saiyin?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2715

Disregard. That 3rd act was glorious. 5 star episode

Shuckle!XJDubleDp. 2717

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That was easily the best episode this season.
Rainbow Dash confirmed for not asshole.

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2718

>>2716
No longer.

Heir!1APPARENTs 2719

>>2716
They feel threatened and unsure.

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2720

>>2719
So let's heighten your allure.

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2721

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This episode was pretty damn good, wouldn't you say?

Heir!1APPARENTs 2723

>>2720
I don't think you understand, I bring darkness to their land.

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2724

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For sure the best episode of the season, My god, all the feels. Amazing episode for Scoots and Dash.
Strangely enough I'm ok with all the CMC appearances.

>Rarity loves to jump up and down

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2725

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Aura!huGtIM37i. 2727

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Where is Scootaloo gonna get a new scooter?

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2728

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>>2717
Agreed.

Shuckle!XJDubleDp. 2729

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>>2721
Pretty damn good indeed.

Anonthony!EEEEEEEE2c 2730

Pleased. Initial impression was very positive.

>>2727
From the pony with a scooter-building cutie mark.

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2731

>>2730
Dues Ex machina for everypony?

Applejinx !tDashiepow 2732

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Welp, I guess I dunno what the 27% was about, unless it's just Scoots being an orphan- I clearly derped it :)

Fun episode tho!

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2733

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>>2729
If there was ever an episode to show that RD is loyal, this was it.

Anonthony!EEEEEEEE2c 2734

>>2732
It was!

Very enjoyable.
Dash was well characterized.
AJ and Rarity were just window dressing, unfortunately. But Scoot did great. =D

Rallinale!S9SRMzWuhw 2735

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This might just be the best episode of Season 3 so far!

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2736

>>2712
I know that. Spoilers work

Except when you suck at them


Rainbow Dash older sister-thing. Seems like fanservice, actually. But I love it.


>>2717

I liked it, alot. Still don't know if I'd rate it higher than One Bad Apple (dat song), but it's up there.

And worth the wait for a Scootaloo episode? Hell yes. I enjoyed it so much!

Luna was very fitting, and I liked the appearance.

I'd give the whole thing a 10/10. The whole Scootaloo breaking down scene where she was about to cry gave me legitimate feels. It was very moving.
And Dash's reaction was perfect, and adorable. I think maybe out of character, but I won't complain.

Two things that bothered me; She suddenly can't fly at all anymore, whereas the previous episode she was about to get off the ground a few feet. I would like to of seen her struggle with it a little before falling off the cliff.

Second, they ruined Sweetie's voice. Her talent was supposed to be singing! What happened to S1 and S2 where she had an amazingly beautiful voice? That was her trademark. How can you suddenly change that?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2737

>>2732
the 27% was the followers he'd lose since he's directing Pound Puppies now, and probably won't comeback to ponies.

The nerd out moment is the fact that Luna enters your fucking dreams!! HOLY SHIT!

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2738

>>2732
It wasn't about some of the fanbase leaving or specifically because of this episode. It was about the guy who worked on these episodes saying that once all of his episodes have aired, he's probably going to lose followers because he doesn't have any more info about episodes (and he seemed like he was joking too).

ShokBox!SonicOTKmM 2739

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Pretty good!

I loved the idea of Luna being in charge of the dreams of ponies!

And the ending of the episode with Dash making Scoots feel better was very heartwarming.

Dash and Scoots were very well characterized, as was AJ. I found Rarity to be a bit much in this ep, though, but it didn't ruin it overall.

There were also some inconsistencies, like the fact that Sweetie is supposed to be a god-tier singer, but that didn't completely ruin it, either.

The ep also had funny moments as well.


So, yeah. Good episode. 7/10. Nice first impression, Powell!

Shuckle!XJDubleDp. 2740

>>2739
>spoilers

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2741

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>>2740
No need to spoiler anything since the episode already aired.

Heir!1APPARENTs 2742

In general, this season seems to be more about dealing with personal demons, and notably from the perspective of the pony dealing with them. This, opposed to dealing with people with ponies with problems.
Example: This episode compared to something like, say, that one where Applejjack over extended herself


On the topic of this episode:
Holy shit Luna can enter your dreams, fucking awesome.

On the other hand, it's almost like everyone became a ground down version of their stereotype without much other substance.


>>2741
Not true, people come here to get links to watch it later.

2743

>>2742
Whoops, big typo there *This opposed to dealing with other ponies problems*

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2744

>>2742
It is the law of the land.

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2745

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I missed the first few minutes

But did they show Scootaloo's house? Any indication as to family?

I think it's pretty much implied by Scootaloo wanting RD as her older sister that she's at least an only child. Could be they're leaving her character open to fanon.

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2746

>>2737
You can run, but you can't hide. I agree the RD/Scoots sister thing. Even if it's fanservice, I think it's fitting since Scoots looks up to RD in the first place.

>>2742
Well noted for this season. Now it's all hitting closer to home than before for me!

Aura!huGtIM37i. 2747

>>2746
Dang it. Chained the wrong post.

ShokBox!SonicOTKmM 2748

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>>2745

>But did they show Scootaloo's house? Any indication as to family?

Eeeeenope~

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2749

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>Implying what Sweetiebelle was doing was not yelling and singing at the same time.
>Implying singing while yelling sounds good ever.

Have you guys ever tried singing while yelling? It doesn't work out. Of course it would sound awful, even if you had the voice of Morgan Freeman.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2750

>>2745
It was her riding her scooter through town like The Show Stoppers, only with Dash complimenting her riding (and Granny actually dodging her this time).

Shuckle!XJDubleDp. 2751

>>2749
And it wouldn't have been funny if she'd sung it well anyway.

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2752

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>>2749
>>2750

Yea, for a Scootaloo episode that was perfect room to show her family/house.

I think they're intentionally leaving it open for the fans. A large part of fannon goes with homeless scoots. Seems like fanservice.

ShokBox!SonicOTKmM 2753

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>>2749

Eh, guess you have a point there.

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2754

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>>2751
That's why they had her yell the song, not project it.

Emperor Z!1yH/qSM.uA 2755

I really enjoyed this ep. The characterization was great (though Rarity was a bit much of a jerk, but she redeemed herself at the end), it was interesting throughout, and I love me some Luna!

Only minor complaints, like a lot of the humor consisted of over-the-top, highly exaggerated motions (though the old horse nightmare thing at the end was pretty funny), and isn't Sweetie Belle supposed to be an awesome singer?

Another great episode for season 3, and a great start for Mr. Powell.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2756

>>2752
I think it just wasn't important to establish, especially for this story when it was trying to focus on her idolization of Rainbow Dash more than her family life.

Shuckle!XJDubleDp. 2757

>>2755
>isn't Sweetie Belle supposed to be an awesome singer
She wasn't singing, she was yelling.

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2758

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>>2755
>sigh
She has a good voice, but she was yelling, not projecting as she should have. I doubt she's had formal training. See >>2749

Anonymous 2759

>>2757

But isn't she supposed to be an amazing yeller?

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2760

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>>2756
Yea, but episodes like these tend to add in some character background.

Like, in One Bad Apple we saw Sweetie's actual bedroom, not at the Carousel Boutique. That wasn't necessary but for character background.

Scootaloo is literally the only character without any background whatsoever. I don't understand it. What gives Hasbro?

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2761

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2762

>>2760
Sorry, main character.

Anonymous 2763

>>2761

Liar. See Stare Master. She IS an amazing yeller.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2764

>>2760
These things shouldn't always be expected. They're more like little touches, not necessary.

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2765

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>>2763
That was projecting. Not yelling.
There IS a difference.

Emperor Z!1yH/qSM.uA 2766

>>2760
Maybe they're saving it as a core element of a future ep?

Anonymous 2767

>>2765

But she wasn't projecting, she was clearly yelling.

Clearly.

Shuckle!XJDubleDp. 2768

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>>2760
>implying they aren't saving it for when Rainbow Dash adopts Hoboloo

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2769

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>>2767
"Hush Now, Quiet Now"'s volume increase was all in the chest. She was clearly projecting in Stare Master.

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2770

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Anonymous 2771

>>2769

No, it was in her throat not her chest, which is why she clears her throat prior to yelling in Stare Master.

Heir!1APPARENTs 2772

You don't sing* campfire songs, end of discussion.

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2773

>>2766
I hope. Scootaloo lacks some serious character development. I suppose no matter what they do, Hasbro is going to mess with alot of headcannon.

Maybe that's why they're reluctant?

>>2764
All the main characters - Spike, The Mane 6, the CMC - have had character development. Most have had multiple episodes devoted to them. This is the first for Scootaloo, but with no character backstory added.

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2774

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>>2771
You clear your throat for singing.
I can hear that it's projecting.
It sounds much different from yelling.

Anonymous 2775

>>2773

There may have been no backstory, but they greatly expanded her actual character in a good way. Give it time, like you said it's her first real episode. We may never get to see much more of her backstory, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got some backstory next Scootaloo episode that comes up (whenever that may be) since they've established her character far better and she actually is really working on her goal to be close with RD.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2776

>>2773
They don't always get their back story developed in their first episode. Spike from OWTEW, Pinkie from GtBO, Rarity from LBYS.

Anonymous 2777

>>2774

You also clear your throat when you yell, as Sweetie Belle did.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2778

The joke of the singing scene was that Scoots was supposed to sit there bobbing her head, with a crazy look on her face, while Sweetie Belle shouted all 99 verses of that song.

Ba dum tiss

No need to overanalyze

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2779

>>2775
>>2776
Yea, but the thing is, most of these characters had backstory implemented in the first, and some in the second, seasons. This is the first time we've had any real Scoots, and in all the CMC episodes, there has been little character her way.

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2780

>>2778
>No need to overanalyze
>/pony/

Hmm.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2781

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>>2777

The only amazing yeller
Is Fluttershy.

Anonymous 2782

>>2779

Which is why I'm not going to be picky when they dump a HUGE load of character development on her. An episode can only give so much. I think this one gave an amazing amount.

Anonymous 2783

>>2781
Because she is yeller..

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2784

>>2780
That's usually my line

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2785

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>>2777
But she wasn't yelling, you silly anon. The song would have sounded much different if she was yelling.
She was projecting.
>>2778
Overanalyzing is what we do.
Not just Bronies, but fandoms in general.

Plus, I'm a Pokemon Trainer, I HAVE to Overanalyze to some degree.

ShokBox!SonicOTKmM 2786

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Anonymous 2787

>>2785

But she was yelling you silly non-anon. She would have sounded far different if she was projecting.

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2788

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>>2783
Oh wow, that hurt inside.

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2789

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>>2787
No, she was projecting. Not yelling.
I'm gonna stop right here, so as to not to fill this thread with just posts from me and you.

Anonymous 2790

>>2789

Ok. I'll stop too then.

I still disagree though, she was clearly projecting. Yelling would have sounded far different.

Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2791

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This episode raised my spirits just like when I watched new S1 episodes after a heavy week. I'm so happy now ^^

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2792

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SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2793

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>>2782
Yea, there was a huge amount of devolpment this episode. All I'm saying is that this is the first time in all of the episodes that they've done any.

Hopefully, more Scoots will follow in Season 3.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2794

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>>2791

Yes!
Oh, and I forgot to say I hope your day goes well!

Anonymous 2795

>>2793

Agreed. They've set her up perfectly to give her more development in future episodes and/or hang out with Dash either as a focus or just in the background/in passing.

Love this episode lots.

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2796

Haven't got to see it yet, but…

>didn't smash any Sadaloo fanon


FUUUUUUUUUCK

Legendary Pokémon Trainer, Red!eMasterJzg 2797

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>>2796
It completely fucked over Scootabuse 649 different ways from Sunday, though.

SarfTheMagnifico !wggeWu9bgQ 2798

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Had to watch the whole emotional scene with Scootaloo and Rainbow Dash again. That was so moving, I can't believe it. So many feels.

I think they're definitely gearing up for future Scootaloo episodes. And the whole take on Rainbow Dash not being an ignorant asshole? I like it, I like it alot.

SarfTheMagnifico (Element of Passion) !wggeWu9bgQ 2799

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Poor quality but first upload - and still better than the livestream;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV-rMi8Vd2k

Emperor Z!1yH/qSM.uA 2801

>>2799
>>138097
Wow, 720p? This fandom's gotten faster than ever!

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2802

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>>138097

Do you even spaces!

SarfTheMagnifico (Element of Passion) !wggeWu9bgQ 2803

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Taking a few screenshots now. I'll post 'em here.

SarfTheMagnifico (Element of Passion) !wggeWu9bgQ 2804

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Hhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggg.

I hope to god someone makes a gif of that Nuzzle. So adorable!

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2805

>sees those caps

…feeeeeeels already.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2806

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So no more caps?

2807

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Shidoshi!CePiuBUNNY 2808

>>2794
Thanks foxx.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2809

Does anyone how Packrat is? I just realized that I don't think he's posted anything since a month ago, and last I heard he was dealing with some personal stuff. I don't need specifics, just wondering if he's doing alright.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2810

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>>2809

He quit over some drama involving the moderation of the site some time ago. And yeah, he's got a lot on his plate at the moment too. He's doing well in himself though.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2811

>>2810
Sad to hear, but at least he himself is fine.

2812

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(Hey look it's that guy who didn't post for a long time posting again)
*spoilering the whole thing because I forgot how to do the black out thingy*
Great episode, loved it.
So many feels with the Rbd scoot hug, I actually teared up a bit (which has only happened like twice before in this show)
Luna is definitely my favorite princess now, I had them about even before, but this put her over the top.

*crazy fantheory headcanon section*
We know that unicorns used to raise the sun and moon by themselves, this makes me believe that luna's cutie mark is actually in reference to her being able to enter dreams as in that's her special talent, and she raises the moon just from being a powerful alicorn. If this is the case, I wonder what celestia's special talent is?

Anonymous 2813

>>2812
BP! Hiya! How ya doin'?

Anonymous 2814

>>2800
>720p

WHAT IS THIS HORSE SHIT?
1080 noa plzzzz

Geldon 2815

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At first, Rarity stole the show.

Then Luna stole the show.
Nerd out moment related.

Then Rainbow Dash being big sister material was made canon after all, contrary to Faust's initial thoughts on the matter and how many people thought she'd be too cool for that. 27% followers thingy is probably there.

The 99 buckets of oats on the wall thingy was an epic WTF moment.

Still not a whole lot of Scootaloo lore learned. Other than her capacity to produce Scooters at will despite losing them in various places.

cheery 2816

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>>2815
>Other than her capacity to produce Scooters at will despite losing them in various places.
Maybe that'th her thuper thpethial talent!

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2817

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>>2804
Still looking for one?

FullmetalPony 2818

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So…
pretty awesome ep. We got not only scoots in the spotlight but Luna actually did something… in canon!
Also grim-dark fuel… so much of that and Luna in your dreams fanfic fuel

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2819

Oh man, so maaaaany feeeeeeels…

Easily best episode this season, and one of the best ever. And this seems like the beginning of a new character arc, which is something we need going forward.

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 2820

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>best CMC
>best episode

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2821

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plusX!A2600Six9E 2822

What a fantastic episode.

I love how they worked the
cripple/orphan angle
so overtly, yet so indirectly. The story was totally about both, but they never mentioned either.

And they played
Luna
perfectly — just laying down that ace and taking my money.

It wasn't just the highlights. Everything in between just clicked along righteously, mixing adventure, comedy and sentiment in smart proportion and with excellent timing.

It may have stumbled at the gate, but overall S3 has been delivering on a very high level. Also nice to have a new writer who so clearly gets what makes the show work. A good sign for the future.

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2823

>>2822
That's another thing. A new writer coming in and knocking it out of the park like this is a VERY pleasant surprise. With Polski being back and delivering the gem he did with TMPP we have a very strong base going forward.

Also kinda pokes a hole in the whole "Merriwether just needed time to adjust" thing but that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Anonymous 2824

>>2823
It doesn't really poke a hole in it.

We don't know how involved faust was, and renzetti mightof not cared as much as meghan at getting her on track.

Meghan seems really passionate about it. Id say at least on faust's level. I think she may have made sure corey knew her stuff before she wrote the episode.

FullmetalPony 2825

>>2822
Agreed.

Looking back it's kinda interesting how they played
Luna. If she's tending to dreams now, I'm assuming she's fully returned to her royal duties and in-ep she acts very similar to Celestia. She's a mentor figure and it's very interesting and awesome to see her not just as a temporal fish out of water but as an actual ruler of a realm

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2826

>>2825
If she's assuming a more mentor-like role…it could lend more credence to the whole "Luna will be training Twilight alongside Celestia" theory I've seen being bandied about.

>>2824
I thought about that as soon as I hit reply, actually.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2827

>>2825
We should have seen this change coming, considering how different she was between S1 and S2. She's now fully restored, as it were.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2828

>>2824
There could be other factors here as well.

1) Merriweather's writing style could make her prone to the mistakes she's made.

2) she's the most prolific writer on the staff. She's had many other jobs in cartoons where that kind of cynicism is common.

3) Renzetti might not wanted to question a writer of her supposed caliber.

4) maybe they don't see the characters like we do, and wouldn't have a fit about characterization.

Silver Strength!TwiDasH7n2 2829

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>>2822
>>2823

…that was the new writer? Brilliant!

I love that Applejack noticed Scootaloo's trouble and tried to help, but the story didn't force that thread into center stage, nor did it need a callback in the resolution. It gives the feeling that Applejack doesn't revolve around Scootaloo's story, even though she's in it.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2830

>>2824
>>2823

Fair point, anon. MW may have walked into something of a leadership vacuum, And there's no way McCarthy will let things slide if it's within her skillset to fix — watching her at the USC event convinced me she's all-in with this show and cares how, why, and that it works.

But there's always that fear — when you first grasp the pone and think "why isn't everything like this"? And the worry that maybe it's just particular to Lauren, and just for a season or two.

Whether it's the new writer or the new story editor to credit, it almost doesn't matter. The takeaway is that it's repeatable. New artists can grasp the magic just like we can, and execute on it like we (or at least I) can't.

The comic is another great signpost. Skilled artists "get it" and yoke their talents to the original vision. A fan can't ask for more. There was a moment in a recent interview where Andy Price went full pony and gushed on about how there was not property he would rather be working for right now. Part of my brain was going "one of us, one of us…".

So it doesn't matter if the ultimate credit goes to Corey Powell or McCarthy. The good news is that this is a sustainable vision. New talent can — and will — buy in and maintain it's purity. This was the key test for season three and in this episode, passed.

Emperor Z!1yH/qSM.uA 2831

>>2830
Do you happen to have a link to these interviews with McCarthy and Price? I'd like to see all they've had to say

plusX!A2600Six9E 2832

>>2831

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4yzRvAh0Zg

Here's the McCarthy one — she ticks off the points at about 3 minutes in. You can feel the love and artistic analysis all at once.

I'll look for the Price/Cook one.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2833

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>>2828
It might also help that at least all of season 1 was finished by the time Powell joined, giving Powell more actual content to go on, compared to Merriwether who possibly only saw the pilot before she stated writing.

Emperor Z!1yH/qSM.uA 2834

>>2833
Hmm, that's a possibility, but wouldn't the scripts have at least been available to her, even if the finished, animated episodes weren't?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2835

>>2834
That doesn't seem to be her style. She probably formulated a rough idea of their personalities based on what material she was given, and common cartoon stereotypes, and went from there.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2836

>>2834
Seeing the animations and hearing the voice acting can sometimes give you a better idea than just reading a script. Episodes just seem easier to go through than scripts.

Emperor Z!1yH/qSM.uA 2837

>>2836
That's true, but she couldn't have had much less to go on than her colleagues.

Marimo (Elements Connoisseur)!Mrb.TaRPks 2838

>>2837
Everyone else at least worked together on developing the cast into what they were in season 1. Merriwether would just have to figure it out based on second hand knowledge.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2839

If she is on S3, and I'd like to see the source that says she absolutely is, not just some Round Stable article, then I'd like to see how she does this season, considering she has ample source material to work off of. The only problem might be if she thinks she already knows the characters well, and her interpretations aren't edited or challenged by Meghan.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2840

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>>2839

Wasn't it Larson who said that? I'd love for it to not be true, but.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2841

>>2831

http://comicgeekspeak.com/episodes/comic_geek_speak-1616.php

And here's Cook and Price. The moment I was thinking of is at about 33 mins in, but the whole thing is really worth listening to. The interviewers can carry a conversation, not like a lot of the cringe-inducing fan interviews we so often find.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2842

>>2840
I don't remember him ever saying anything about Williams.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2843

>>2842

He kind of evaded the topic, saying he hadn't seen her eps yet, if I recall.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2844

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>>2842
>>2843

I'm sure one of them "confirmed" something

It was definitely a tweet, as many of these things are, if that narrows it down at all.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2845

Ill just ask THE most reliable source for info in the entire ponynets. BRB later with an answer.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2846

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>>2845

What have I set off?!?!
~

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2847

the definitive authority on pony info says Larson did say that Williams wrote on S3, but no one seems to have a screencap of the tweet.

So I'm gonna nag larson about it.

Amar!hEbITNyzxg 2848

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This is now my new #1 favorite episode. My second favorite is Sisterhooves social.

I just really enjoy the character development even though there wasnt much action and anythign knew in terms of plot.

JiiKoo!BeBETTErJA 2849

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Yay for lazy copy-paste from Pchan! Mayhaps I'll get back and comment more after reading this thread and stuff at some point.

Anyways, I only got home a few hours ago, and just saw the episode. Can't really do the "usual thing" right now and these are just my first impressions, which might of course change on subsequent viewings and all that. I also haven't really read the thread yet, so I don't know what the general consensus was. I thought it was a pretty solid episode. The cold open felt good, it was clearly a reference/callback to how Scootaloo was scooting around in The Show Stoppers. I especially liked the Granny Smith part, made me chuckle. Also moo-ves.

It was nice to see Scootaloo obsessing about RD again. Not that obsessions are healthy or that I particularly like seeing it, but for me it is one thing that separates her from the other Crusaders. It's her thing, and it's great it's seen again. Speaking of Scootaloo, I liked how she actually was her own separate character all the time, not just the Crusader with wings. She wanted to be awesome, she wanted to be cool, she wanted to be Rainbow Dash. But she wasn't or isn't, of course.

Hmm, RD… I'm not an expert, but at least she wasn't a dick here. In fact, I liked her in this episode. Not sure if she lied to make Scootaloo feel good or was genuinely afraid. I'd like to believe she didn't lie. I also liked how she took Scootaloo under her wing (oh I did see what they did there…) and became sort of a "big sister" for Scoots. Still no clue about Scootaloo's real family, though I guess it can be presumed she doesn't have a real sister. Was actually something I was hoping to hear about, at least a bit. Can't have everything, I guess.

Other characters were fine, though I found Apple Bloom sounded a bit wrong a lot of times. I also wonder, how come Sweetie is a terrible singer? I appreciate the song itself, but making a canon great singer into a terribad one isn't really something I approve of. Rarity was quite… hmm. Don't know the proper word for it, really. Not sure if it was good or not. For the most part she was good, I'd say at least for now. AJ was, well, AJ. That's about it.

Luna being able to visit other ponies' dreams is canon! Also Luna is back, and is awesome! Well, great, at least. Not motherly in the same way Celestia is, but clearly cares for her subjects and helps them in her own way. I like her and I like how they used her like this.

The conflict in the episode was pretty generic, someone who wants to look tough gets scared and has to admit it in the end when it turns out it's okay. Not to say it was bad, of course, just a teeny tiny bit predictable. I'm not sure what the lesson here was, though, since all Scootaloo learned here was that even Rainbow Dash can be scared and therefore it's okay to be scared or something. I guess it was about facing your fears. I really want my letters to Celestia…

Oh, and also more spooky stories. Maybe I would have liked another new one instead of hearing about the Headless Horse again, but I'll take what I can get.

There was a lot of other stuff, too, but then I'd have nothing to mention if I ended up going full-length at some point. Suffice to say it was a pretty good episode even with some things that I didn't really like, like some faces and poses and so much focus being put on Scootaloo being scared (though that was the main point of the episode, I guess). I'm really looking forward to future episodes from this new person. I wonder how she writes Fluttershy…

Also no score because just first impressions. I'd like to say it's the best episode of the season, though.

Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. Again) 2850

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>>2823


Its possible she just phoned her initial scripts in without realizing how *particular* (for lack of a better term) bronies are.


I mean, if she didn't realize just how much bronies expect of the show its possible a writer might just think that making a "funny" episode will work.

By that I mean, look at it from coming from spongebob: You don't have to know much about the characters in a show like that because it has hyper strong negative continuity and very weak characterization. Just make the episode funny and the kids couldn't care less.

If merriweather didn't realize that that sort of thing wouldn't fly with MLP she might not have really cared about getting characters "right".

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2851

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>>2850

It's Unlikeable!

>I mean, if she didn't realize just how much bronies expect of the show its possible a writer might just think that making a "funny" episode will work


But the thing is, being "funny" wasn't even the premise of the show. It's not *us*, it's just that most people seem to be along for the ride wherever it takes them, so long as it's fun. There's a few of us (or a lot of us) who got into the show for its premise and what it was offering to us rather than just raw entertainment value.

This is the discrepancy that seems to be the biggest issue in the fandom.

However regardless of what you're "blaming"
>If merriweather didn't realize that that sort of thing wouldn't fly with MLP she might not have really cared about getting characters "right"
Yeah. (though that doesn't excuse it.)

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2852

>>2851
>There's a few of us (or a lot of us) who got into the show for its premise and what it was offering to us rather than just raw entertainment value.
That doesn't change the fact that all of us, regardless of why we watch the show, are nothing more than a tertiary target audience, one that was still in its infancy when S2 was written.

>Yeah. (though that doesn't excuse it.)

She's not excused for writing a cartoon for 4-7yo girls, and being jumped on by obese 20-30 year old neckbeards over characterization at a time when S1 hadn't even aired yet, and she wasn't at all involved in it? I'd like to see you write an episode for a cartoon you couldn't possibly have seen, and only have rough character outlines to go by.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2853

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>>2852
>That doesn't change the fact that all of us, regardless of why we watch the show, are nothing more than a tertiary target audience, one that was still in its infancy when S2 was written

And this is relevant how?

>She's not excused for writing a cartoon for 4-7yo girls, and being jumped on by obese 20-30 year old neckbeards over characterization at a time when S1 hadn't even aired yet, and she wasn't at all involved in it? I'd like to see you write an episode for a cartoon you couldn't possibly have seen, and only have rough character outlines to go by.


And here comes the Merriwether thug posse.

Anonymous 2854

>>2852
Except that even to the target audience the characterizations of at least MMDW come off unsettling considering the 'lesson' and 'morale' being taught, not only of the rest of the group but particularly Dash, especially considering how deftly handled other writers managed to pen characters and situations. She just wrote a shitty episode, surrounded by far superior episodes. Why is this so hard to just admit. I don't want to murder her in her sleep, I just want people to acknowledge this.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2855

>>2853
>And this is relevant how?
If you need to be fed the answer to that…..wow. The show will never conform to what you want it to be, whether it be writing style, characterization, or overall direction.

>And here comes the Merriwether thug posse.

If you can't give a serious response to that……wow.

>>2854
I'm sorry. I forgot that time you interviewed 4-7yo girls about the show. Or those focus groups paid for by Hasbro asking them questions about their opinion of the writing style of the show. Where's the link to that again?

Anonymous 2856

>>2855
>EqG was never a child

Mmkay then.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2857

The mental gymnastics are in full force here today.
>Merriwether can be criticized for her poor characterization, despite having a history of writing for vapid, storyboard driven cartoons, and MMDW was written before S1 had aired.
>im a special little snowflake and the show should be written how I want it to be, even if it conflicts with the clients wishes.
>kids have autistic fits over characterization just like I do.

These should join the gymnastics hall of fame
>Twilight's friends should be given as much of a role in Twilight's destiny as she does
>the faire could have been shut down, it was unimportant
>Sombra was just like Chrysalis and Discord. He wasn't a ticking time bomb kind of villain

This is why I need some people to contact me on Steam or via email.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2858

>>2856
How in the fuck is that even a logical response to my post? You made a claim about the target demo, now back it up or admit you made it up.

Anonymous 2859

>>2857
>>2858
Binkie bie u need 2 calm da fug down :DDDDDD

No but seriously.

>>Merriwether can be criticized for her poor characterization, despite having a history of writing for vapid, storyboard driven cartoons, and MMDW was written before S1 had aired.

I didn't criticize her for poor characterization, I criticized her for writing a shitty episode. It was (as you even describe) befitting her precedent of vapid, storyboard driven drivel cartoons. She really didn't belong in the staff of a show like FiM. It doesn't matter if she wrote it before S1. It's a poor excuse for an ep in any context, but just even more so in comparison to the other eps. Edit; in addition "written before it aired.' Durr, why the hell does that matter? It wasn't written before the other eps were written, was it? She'd never seen them, eh? Hurr.

>>im a special little snowflake and the show should be written how I want it to be, even if it conflicts with the clients wishes.

Speaking of "mental gymnastics", your extreme desire to make people who disagree with you look like idiots through verbal jousts rather than just replying requires more than enough gymnastics on your part, and no small amount of rushed judgments and presumed, generalized intent.

>kids have autistic fits over characterization just like I do.

No, but they are perceptive to subtle things, very much so.

>Twilight's friends should be given as much of a role in Twilight's destiny as she does

Show is about friendship. The friendship of 6 characters. Twilight is the central character, yes, but the show's focus is not solely her - why the fuck would they go out of their way to make a myriad of character with different personalities in order to give most types of kids a character to relate to and then ignore them in favor of one?

The other two are irrelevant.

>This is why I need some people to contact me on Steam or via email.

And why is that, exactly?

>>2858
>because I have never been in the target demo
>hurr durr

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2860

>>2859
>I criticized her for writing a shitty episode
This is something rational people acknowledge, not go on a year long tirade about.

>It doesn't matter if she wrote it before S1

I'll say it again, it doesn't matter that she had nothing to go off of besides some character outlines?

>It's a poor excuse for an ep in any context, but just even more so in comparison to the other eps. Edit; in addition "written before it aired.' Durr, why the hell does that matter? It wasn't written before the other eps were written, was it? She'd never seen them, eh? Hurr.

Do you understand what's going on here? Most of S2 was written when S1 was still either unaired or just debuting its first few episodes. Other writers had written 3-4 episodes by the time Merriwether wrote her first episode in S2. They had the benefit of experience and having had written on S1, she didn't. What's not understood here?

>Speaking of "mental gymnastics", your extreme desire to make people who disagree with you look like idiots through verbal jousts rather than just replying requires more than enough gymnastics on your part, and no small amount of rushed judgments and presumed, generalized intent.

No, doing so requires presenting facts, not all this incongruent stuff about gymnastics, but I apologize for using words and facts to reply to these posts.

>No, but they are perceptive to subtle things, very much so.

I'm still looking for proof of these mysterious focus groups.

>Show is about friendship. The friendship of 6 characters. Twilight is the central character, yes, but the show's focus is not solely her

Here's some more of those dratted facts. The show's overall story arc is about Twilight's destiny. The big episodes will always focus around that. This is the way Hasbro and DHX want it, that's how it will stay.

>why the fuck would they go out of their way to make a myriad of character with different personalities in order to give most types of kids a character to relate to and then ignore them in favor of one?

The single shot one parters are up for grabs, that's evident, and Lesson Zero strengthened that position so that Twilight didn't have to be shoe horned into every episode.

>And why is that, exactly?

You absolutely don't have to worry about that.

Anonymous 2861

>not go on a year long tirade about.
I don't.

>This is something rational people acknowledge.

Not all, it seems. I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?

>What's not understood here?

Nothing. None of this mitigates the fact it's a bad episode. Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty. Right?

>but I apologize for using words and facts to reply to these posts.

Fuck off with that shit, you're acting like an ass without it being necessary. I do apologize for not holding the exact same opinion as you on every thing.

>I'm still looking for proof of these mysterious focus groups.

You say children aren't perceiving, consciously or unconsciously, the characterization of a character portrayed as an asshole and her friends as vindictive. I say they do. No focus group required. Though it's widely known children absorb such subtle things pretty well.

>Here's some more of those dratted facts. The show's overall story arc is about Twilight's destiny. The big episodes will always focus around that. This is the way Hasbro and DHX want it, that's how it will stay.

You're arguing with someone who isn't even saying that (as you commonly do, because you frequently forget who the fuck you're talking to in lieu of making points you've made to others over and over again instead of comprehending the person before you and responding accordingly (I'm sure it's easier that way.) As has even been said to you before, in "big' episodes (premiers and finales) like with Discord, they managed to write a relatable, fun, demographic-appropriate story that advanced Twilight's "destiny" without leaving behind (or treating laughably) the other major characters. I don't want "Hasbro and DHX" to change the overall arc, I want the writers to continue their stellar work without compromising.

>You absolutely don't have to worry about that.

That's what you think.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2862

>I'll say it again, it doesn't matter that she had nothing to go off of besides some character outlines?

>Do you understand what's going on here? Most of S2 was written when S1 was still either unaired or just debuting its first few episodes. Other writers had written 3-4 episodes by the time Merriwether wrote her first episode in S2. They had the benefit of experience and having had written on S1, she didn't. What's not understood here?


I don't get why this is a counterargument. She had the same or better access to the same materials as all the other writers of episodes up to that point.

Not saying this as a MW hater — I quite like PYHD. But logically, I don't see her as being at a structural disadvantage to the other writers.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2863

>>2861
>I don't.
yet here we are, a year since the episode aired.

>Not all, it seems. I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?

rational people wouldn't move on from MMDW? oh.

>Nothing. None of this mitigates the fact it's a bad episode. Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty. Right?

I'm explaining why it happened, which should absolutely mitigate this year long anger. It's called gaining perspective.

>Fuck off with that shit

For the record, I've been told to fuck off with my facts.

>you're acting like an ass without it being necessary.

>Implying presenting the facts surrounding the situation is tantamount to being as ass because it conflicts with your position.

>I do apologize for not holding the exact same opinion as you on every thing.

>implying I care what your opinion is

>You're arguing with someone who isn't even saying that

You just said that the show is about the whole mane 6. When it comes to the bigger episodes, that's simply not the case.

>as you commonly do, because you frequently forget who the fuck you're talking to in lieu of making points you've made to others over and over again instead of comprehending the person before you and responding accordingly

I don't even know where you would pull that idea out of your ass. If you feel this is an actual concer, and not something you're just making up, then get a fucking name like everyone else.

>like with Discord, they managed to write a relatable, fun, demographic-appropriate story that advanced Twilight's "destiny" without leaving behind (or treating laughably) the other major characters.


Of course you're joking right? The mane 6 did nothing in RoH after they were discorded in the FIRST PART. Twilight carried that entire episode (and a giant boulder on her back). Same thing with ACW. The mane 6 did nothing while Twilight did everything. At least in TCE they kept the crystal ponies from rioting while Twilight went looking for the heart.

>(or treating laughably) the other major characters.

The mane 6 literally became walking jokes when they were discorded. Their only purpose was to make the audience laugh.

>>2862
I could only reassert the sentences you linked as proof of her disadvantage. Having not probably seen an episode of the show, or having written several S1 episodes, and because of her history, there's now ay she could have been on the same level as the other writers at the time.

Anonymous 2864

>>2863
>yet here we are, a year since the episode aired.
>rational people wouldn't move on from MMDW? oh.
I *just* said "I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?"

>I'm explaining why it happened, which should absolutely mitigate this year long anger. It's called gaining perspective.

I *just* said " "Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty"

>For the record, I've been told to fuck off with my facts.

You've been told to fuck off with your bullshit attitude and self-righteous delusion of superiority. Half of the shit we aren't even disagreeing on, but you can't even agree with someone without coming off a humongous dickbag.

>You just said that the show is about the whole mane 6.

"Show is about friendship. The friendship of 6 characters. Twilight is the central character,"
Nigga do you even read? That's 3 statements in that post alone you've completely failed to comprehend at even a basic level.

>I don't even know where you would pull that idea out of your ass. If you feel this is an actual concer, and not something you're just making up, then get a fucking name like everyone else.

Even you're in this bullshit anti-anon delusion? Fucking hellfire.

>Of course you're joking right? The mane 6 did nothing in RoH after they were discorded in the FIRST PART. Twilight carried that entire episode (and a giant boulder on her back). Same thing with ACW. The mane 6 did nothing while Twilight did everything. At least in TCE they kept the crystal ponies from rioting while Twilight went looking for the heart.

Disagree. Just because they were getting/got beaten doesn't mean their characters weren't explored.

>The mane 6 literally became walking jokes when they were discorded. Their only purpose was to make the audience laugh.

Yes, because a few jokes made with their discorded personalities totally makes the whole thing a joke and not actually a rather dark exploration of their potential inverted personas.

I'll reply to whatever high-horse bullshit you come up with later tonight.

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2865

So if someone has a history of shitty writing it's okay if they continue to write shitty episodes? Seems legit.

I should've never mentioned this, I shoulda known this shit would start despite trying to make my comment as much of a one-off as possible.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2866

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>>2865
>So if someone has a history of shitty writing it's okay if they continue to write shitty episodes?
Adventure Time and Spongebob are drastically different than MLP, you'd acknowledge this I'm sure. The style of those episodes translate to a shitty MLP episode. Compound that with everything else I said, and MMDW should come into focus. That's it. There's nothing more to read into it.

>>2864
>I *just* said "I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?"
Ok, I'll make it simpler for you. NO. Rational people don't harp endlessly about MMDW, seeking no perspective, and screaming "ruined forever" as soon as the title card comes up.

>I *just* said " "Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty"

No one is trying to make the episode less shitty. I *just* said that I'm explaining the why for the benefit of perspective. What's wrong with you?

>You've been told to fuck off with your bullshit attitude and self-righteous delusion of superiority. Half of the shit we aren't even disagreeing on, but you can't even agree with someone without coming off a humongous dickbag.

Does that language get you very far with the girls during recess? In a few more years, maybe you'll try smoking!

>Even you're in this bullshit anti-anon delusion? Fucking hellfire.

You *just* inexplicably whined about me supposedly losing track of who I'm talking to. Getting a name is a solution.

>Disagree. Just because they were getting/got beaten doesn't mean their characters weren't explored.

What exactly was explored with Rarity, AJ, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, and Dash's character while they were discorded? The only time the mane 6 were useful to Twilight was when they weren't discorded at the beginning, and in the second half of part 2.

>Yes, because a few jokes made with their discorded personalities totally makes the whole thing a joke and not actually a rather dark exploration of their potential inverted personas.

I guarantee nobody on the DHX staff sees it that way. Of course you can feel free to, but that's not what they were probably going for.

>I'll reply to whatever high-horse bullshit you come up with later tonight.

>pic related
High horses are for plebs with a trampoline. Go highest horse or go home.

Anonymous 2867

>>2857
put your email or steam. Ill add you/contact you.

Not the anon youre talking to tho.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2868

>>2867
Thank you, but I'm only looking for specific people, and not for a reason you'd expect.

Anonymous 2869

>>2866
actually, Larson said that the Discord episodes were intentionally pretty dark

Anonymous 2870

>What exactly was explored with Rarity, AJ, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, and Dash's character while they were discorded? The only time the mane 6 were useful to Twilight was when they weren't discorded at the beginning, and in the second half of part 2.

Whats with you not giving the show much credit lately. It explored Rarity's Greed which was held back by Generosity. It explored Fluttershy's brashness held back by shyness. It explored Rainbow Dash's conflicting loyalties. It explored pinkie pie's fears of not being loved. It explored AJ's wanting to lie held back by honesty

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2871

>>2869
I'd absolutely agree that the implications of discording the mane 6 are dark, but that's a subsequent relation to make and not a primary intent. On the surface you have 5 of the mane 6 acting hilariously OOC, which I think if for some hypothetical reason they had to choose between writing a dark episode, and making the mane 6 perform funny hijinks while discorded, they'd go with the latter just for the benefit of the target audience. Discord himself is comparable to the situation the mane 6 were in, crazy and silly on the outside, and if you look deeper you can find a strong presence of malice.

>>2870
and presented those in an amusing manner for the purpose of being a light hearted obstacle to Twilight.


This honestly has nothing to do with the OP. It's a derail of a derail that Jiggly was never looking for. It's time to disengage.

Anonymous 2872

>>2866
>Does that language get you very far with the girls during recess?

>">kids have autistic fits over characterization just like I do. "

>">im a special little snowflake and the show should be written how I want it to be,"

>use ridiculous insult and unnecessary tactic

>get butthurt and try to decry when someone uses "fuck"
>talks down, condescending as if his way of 'arguing' is any better (protip: it's worse)

>>2867
inb4 it's some asshole like Saikar or something.

>>2871
>time to back off now that I've completely made a pompous ass of myself

Anonymous 2873

>>2872
Not Saikar, but sai always seemed alright to me. What did/does he do?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2874

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>>2872
ohmigosh, did I say the F word?
>pic related
Let's count your naughty boy swear count, separated by post:

>>2872
>asshole
I'll leave out all the other assholes
>>2864
>shitty
>Fuck off with that shit, you're acting like an ass
>because you frequently forget who the fuck you're talking to

Not to mention that you're probably the anon who's been warned by mods recently to cool it with the mindless flaming.

>inb4 it's some asshole like Saikar or something.

What the hell did Sai do? He's a good guy.

Anonymous 2875

>>2874
…You really do have a reading comprehension problem, don't you? I was saying that you were acting put off by my language when you were being an insulting ass from the get-go. And no, he's not.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2876

>>2873

I liked him as well, but back when I used to read pchan he would sometimes piss people off with his unashamed Twilight supremacism.

He would also fanbattle a handful of posters and bring the mods into it. Anon may have been caught up in some of that drama.

Anonymous 2877

>>2876
I hate self-righteous elitism. If a person pretty much embodies that in both their posting about the show and their interpersonal interactions, chances are I'm going to strongly dislike them.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2878

>>2875
I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I'm forming an organization called the "Friends of Saikar"

>when you were being an insulting ass from the get-go.

If you believed that, and you were interested in some higher ground, you wouldn't have gone off like you did. if you are the anon that the mods reprimanded, then you sure as shit don't have any room to talk.

Anonymous 2879

>>2878
1, I'm not that anon. 2, I'm not interested in 'high ground', I'm interested in you not being an asshole to start and then acting like someone else is beneath you for the very behavior you were exhibiting. And I'm interested in stating an opinion without you acting like yours is a fact. That you had to start that post off with a shitty trolling BS line shows me there's no real room to accomplish that in this instance. Better luck next time, I guess.

edited out. too personal.

Anonymous 2880

>>2879
ok well, I can see why people wouldn't like him, but he has always been nice to me so idk.

Anonymous 2881

>>2880
I edited that part out. It wasn't necessary.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2882

>>2879
You have my posts readily available. If you don't like that the facts I presented fly in the face of your fantasy that Merriwether is some shithead who has no excuse for writing a bad episode, then that's your problem. I can't help you, I'm not trying to help you because I'm not interested in helping you. I am however, interested in presenting the facts on the matter. You can do with them whatever you wish. And again, like I said, this has nothing to do with the OP, so speak your peace, and go your own way.

Anonymous 2883

>>2882
>If you don't like that the facts I presented fly in the face of your fantasy that Merriwether is some shithead who has no excuse for writing a bad episode,
Bro. Read. Read. You gave the reasons why she wrote a shitty episode. I said yep, those are the reasons. No one said there were no excuses for writing a shitty episode. All I said were that those excuses didn't make the episode itself any less shitty. This is part of the problem. You state generic facts that and then extrapolate an opinion (or in this case, a counter to someone else's opinion) and act like you TOTES PWNED THEM DUDE, LAWL.



>I am however, interested in presenting the facts on the matter.

Okay, great, thanks. You presented the facts that we all already knew - she'd never written that type of show before, she'd only written storyboard generic cartoon drivel, she didn't have the benefit of previous experience on the show, she didn't have previous, better episodes to go off of (of course, this particular excuse is BS, since she not ONLY had those episodes to refer to, but the benefit of all the other writers around her to talk to about them). Thanks for those 'facts.' It's still a bad episode. That's like stating facts from Anders Brevik's manifesto as to why he massacred a bunch of people and then trying to say it makes the massacre somehow less awful, because bro, there were reasons bro, there were reasons.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2884

>>2883
>those excuses didn't make the episode itself any less shitty.
and I said several times that i agree. You persisted with this hissy fit about "high horses" and "pompous ass", and all this bullshit.

>of course, this particular excuse is BS, since she not ONLY had those episodes to refer to

What are "those episodes"? MMDW was most likely written before 10/10/10, or shortly after that.

>but the benefit of all the other writers around her to talk to about them

That's not her style. Anyone who's read about her would know that she tends to write scripts in just a few hours.

I love how you act all dismissive of the things i said earlier, but you're the one who took those words and brought us here.

Anonymous 2885

>>2884
>and I said several times that i agree.
Where. It sounded like you were insistent on saying the excuses were in fact mitigating factors.

>What are "those episodes"? MMDW was most likely written before 10/10/10, or shortly after that.

Are you really saying that she did not have access to any of the episodes or any of the prior scripts because they hadn't aired yet?

>That's not her style. Anyone who's read about her would know that she tends to write scripts in just a few hours.

It's not her style to actually think about prior episodes or talk to any other writer on a show. Good to know, glad she's gone, because that sounds like a shitty writer.
>she tends to write scripts in just a few hours.
See above, wow, glad that stupid bitch is gone.

>I love how you act all dismissive of the things i said earlier, but you're the one who took those words and brought us here.

What are you even talking about at this point. If something was dismissed, raise it, not 'hurr i love how u dismiss' like a passive aggressive faggot.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2886

>>2885
>Where. It sounded like you were insistent on saying the excuses were in fact mitigating factors.

See:

>>2860
>This is something rational people acknowledge

>>2863
>I'm explaining why it happened, which should absolutely mitigate this year long anger. It's called gaining perspective.

>>2866
>Adventure Time and Spongebob are drastically different than MLP, you'd acknowledge this I'm sure. The style of those episodes translate to a shitty MLP episode. Compound that with everything else I said, and MMDW should come into focus. That's it. There's nothing more to read into it.

>No one is trying to make the episode less shitty. I *just* said that I'm explaining the why for the benefit of perspective. What's wrong with you?



I'll summarize for a final time. We all know MMDW had horrible writing. There were reasons for this. It's time to acknowledge these factors, and move forward from them.

Anonymous 2887

>>2886
> It's time to acknowledge these factors, and move forward from them.
I already have. Save for when people actually try to defend it as anything but horrible writing and an awful episode. :\

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2888

>>2887
well when that happens, let me know and I'll run over to Walmart, buy some tiki torches and pitchforks, and we'll march on their homes.

2889

Now, chaps, before we continue any further with this—stop to consider: What if Merriwether is reading this thread right now, perhaps somewhere alone, eating a frozen dinner in her apartment? What if you've made her really sad with this argument? How would you feel then?

I'll let you think about that. Carry on.

Anonymous 2890

>>2889
I would lel evertim

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2891

>>2889
I've always wanted to interview Merriwether Williams, and if I had to interview her, I would tell her that the adult fans are extremely passionate about the show, to the point of living vicariously through them for 22 minutes a week. We examine the characters closely because we love them, and the quality of their creation and development makes them feel real to us. The show to us is special from other cartoons on TV, especially within the target demographic. There is a level of intelligence, beauty, wit, and attention to detail that you will simply not find anywhere else. The show is bereft of cynicism, and doesn't draw its strength from negativity, or mean spirited conflict. I would tell her that the fans saw many of those things in the core story of MMDW, and in some scenes in her other episodes. However, there's still many aspects of her 4 episodes that were absolute home runs, and she should take great pride in them. I think that if she saw the show the way we did, she might approach her writing differently, and her episodes could be the best. I'm actually looking forward to her work in S3.

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2892

>>2891
I myself am cautiously optimistic. McCarthy is taking her job as story editor VERY seriously, and I doubt she'd let something like MNDW through.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2893

>>2892

I agree, and it points out something that gets overlooked in the blame MW hatefests — the failures in that ep weren't just her, they were systemic. It's the story editor's job to even out the tone in all those freelancer scripts and that didn't happen here. Maybe this script hit the inbox just as Lauren and Rob were ragequitting over Twilicorn.

DHX didn't help either, designing elaborate sets that fit nowhere in Ponyville, increasing the alien feel of the episode. On every writers' panel we hear about how much value gets added down the chain — that didn't happen here.

Which does not mean damn them all. 1 in 50 space shuttle missions blew up and we've seen nearly 60 pony eps, so we've already got that average beat. I just mean the problems were bigger than the writer.

I disagree w/ EqG's excuse for her — I don't see them hiring a new writer and not sending her a screener of whatever's been produced, along with the existing scripts and bible. But her failure with that episode doesn't definitively invalidate her skills any more than Lauren and Rob and Jayson and Sibsy's failure to catch and correct those problems invalidates their skills.

TL;DR: Everyone who was worried about the implications of a departing story editor and a new writer failing in MDW should be excited by the implications of a new story editor and a new writer succeeding in SiP. The team wasn't working right then, now it is.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2894

>>2893
You're assuming they sent her loads of material, assuming it existed, and that she would approach the episode in a manner unlike her previous experiences. We can't know for sure what happened, but we can see the results and try to deduce the reasons for what happened based on facts and precedent.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2895

>>2894

Larson said he'd seen the pilot & other scripts before writing his S1 scripts. I don't see them restricting access to these materials when bringing on a new S2 writer.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2896

>>2895
Like I said several times, maybe that's not her style. We already know she writes scripts in just a few hours. She's accustomed to writing brainless cartoons where characterization doesn't mean jack, she thought because this was MLP, a show for 4-7yo girls, that it would be more of the same, she thought wrong.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2897

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>>2896

This is only furthering the claim that she's completely unsuitable to have started on this show.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2898

>>2897
If she had as much respect for the show as the other writers do, and didn't bring with her the same unsavory elements found in other cartoons, she has the potential to be good. Right now, I do like most of what she puts out, but the negatives are pretty profound. I do forgive her for her mistakes though. It's too late to change S2, so for those who don't like her episodes, it's a loss, but I'd rather judge her after we've seen her S3 episodes.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2899

>>2891
>>2898

So anyways, like I was saying…..


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