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New Episode Streaming & Discussion 2676[View All]

This week's episode is titled Sleepless in Ponyville and the synopsis is:
Over a campfire, Rainbow Dash decides to share some imaginative and spooky tales, causing Scootaloo to have frightening, vivid nightmares; Scootaloo wants to get rid of her nightmares but doesn't want the others to think she is spineless."

Airing, streaming information and YouTube links
The episode will air this Saturday at 10:30AM Eastern 7:30AM Pacific

A live stream is available at http://www.bronystate.net/theater/spike/ and we will be discussing the episode as it airs at http://ponychat.net/webchat/?autojoin=%23MLPchan.

Missed the live stream? Have no fear!
720p is up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P--4sx3VDUw

Starting topics
>What do you think the lesson will be?
>Are you excited for the first Scootaloo episode?
>The synopsis suggests this may be Dash's first major role of the season.
>Do you think we'll see where Scootaloo lives? An if so are you looking forward to to the death of Homeless scoots
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Unlikeable Pony (element of being banned. Again) 2850

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>>2823


Its possible she just phoned her initial scripts in without realizing how *particular* (for lack of a better term) bronies are.


I mean, if she didn't realize just how much bronies expect of the show its possible a writer might just think that making a "funny" episode will work.

By that I mean, look at it from coming from spongebob: You don't have to know much about the characters in a show like that because it has hyper strong negative continuity and very weak characterization. Just make the episode funny and the kids couldn't care less.

If merriweather didn't realize that that sort of thing wouldn't fly with MLP she might not have really cared about getting characters "right".

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2851

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>>2850

It's Unlikeable!

>I mean, if she didn't realize just how much bronies expect of the show its possible a writer might just think that making a "funny" episode will work


But the thing is, being "funny" wasn't even the premise of the show. It's not *us*, it's just that most people seem to be along for the ride wherever it takes them, so long as it's fun. There's a few of us (or a lot of us) who got into the show for its premise and what it was offering to us rather than just raw entertainment value.

This is the discrepancy that seems to be the biggest issue in the fandom.

However regardless of what you're "blaming"
>If merriweather didn't realize that that sort of thing wouldn't fly with MLP she might not have really cared about getting characters "right"
Yeah. (though that doesn't excuse it.)

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2852

>>2851
>There's a few of us (or a lot of us) who got into the show for its premise and what it was offering to us rather than just raw entertainment value.
That doesn't change the fact that all of us, regardless of why we watch the show, are nothing more than a tertiary target audience, one that was still in its infancy when S2 was written.

>Yeah. (though that doesn't excuse it.)

She's not excused for writing a cartoon for 4-7yo girls, and being jumped on by obese 20-30 year old neckbeards over characterization at a time when S1 hadn't even aired yet, and she wasn't at all involved in it? I'd like to see you write an episode for a cartoon you couldn't possibly have seen, and only have rough character outlines to go by.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2853

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>>2852
>That doesn't change the fact that all of us, regardless of why we watch the show, are nothing more than a tertiary target audience, one that was still in its infancy when S2 was written

And this is relevant how?

>She's not excused for writing a cartoon for 4-7yo girls, and being jumped on by obese 20-30 year old neckbeards over characterization at a time when S1 hadn't even aired yet, and she wasn't at all involved in it? I'd like to see you write an episode for a cartoon you couldn't possibly have seen, and only have rough character outlines to go by.


And here comes the Merriwether thug posse.

Anonymous 2854

>>2852
Except that even to the target audience the characterizations of at least MMDW come off unsettling considering the 'lesson' and 'morale' being taught, not only of the rest of the group but particularly Dash, especially considering how deftly handled other writers managed to pen characters and situations. She just wrote a shitty episode, surrounded by far superior episodes. Why is this so hard to just admit. I don't want to murder her in her sleep, I just want people to acknowledge this.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2855

>>2853
>And this is relevant how?
If you need to be fed the answer to that…..wow. The show will never conform to what you want it to be, whether it be writing style, characterization, or overall direction.

>And here comes the Merriwether thug posse.

If you can't give a serious response to that……wow.

>>2854
I'm sorry. I forgot that time you interviewed 4-7yo girls about the show. Or those focus groups paid for by Hasbro asking them questions about their opinion of the writing style of the show. Where's the link to that again?

Anonymous 2856

>>2855
>EqG was never a child

Mmkay then.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2857

The mental gymnastics are in full force here today.
>Merriwether can be criticized for her poor characterization, despite having a history of writing for vapid, storyboard driven cartoons, and MMDW was written before S1 had aired.
>im a special little snowflake and the show should be written how I want it to be, even if it conflicts with the clients wishes.
>kids have autistic fits over characterization just like I do.

These should join the gymnastics hall of fame
>Twilight's friends should be given as much of a role in Twilight's destiny as she does
>the faire could have been shut down, it was unimportant
>Sombra was just like Chrysalis and Discord. He wasn't a ticking time bomb kind of villain

This is why I need some people to contact me on Steam or via email.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2858

>>2856
How in the fuck is that even a logical response to my post? You made a claim about the target demo, now back it up or admit you made it up.

Anonymous 2859

>>2857
>>2858
Binkie bie u need 2 calm da fug down :DDDDDD

No but seriously.

>>Merriwether can be criticized for her poor characterization, despite having a history of writing for vapid, storyboard driven cartoons, and MMDW was written before S1 had aired.

I didn't criticize her for poor characterization, I criticized her for writing a shitty episode. It was (as you even describe) befitting her precedent of vapid, storyboard driven drivel cartoons. She really didn't belong in the staff of a show like FiM. It doesn't matter if she wrote it before S1. It's a poor excuse for an ep in any context, but just even more so in comparison to the other eps. Edit; in addition "written before it aired.' Durr, why the hell does that matter? It wasn't written before the other eps were written, was it? She'd never seen them, eh? Hurr.

>>im a special little snowflake and the show should be written how I want it to be, even if it conflicts with the clients wishes.

Speaking of "mental gymnastics", your extreme desire to make people who disagree with you look like idiots through verbal jousts rather than just replying requires more than enough gymnastics on your part, and no small amount of rushed judgments and presumed, generalized intent.

>kids have autistic fits over characterization just like I do.

No, but they are perceptive to subtle things, very much so.

>Twilight's friends should be given as much of a role in Twilight's destiny as she does

Show is about friendship. The friendship of 6 characters. Twilight is the central character, yes, but the show's focus is not solely her - why the fuck would they go out of their way to make a myriad of character with different personalities in order to give most types of kids a character to relate to and then ignore them in favor of one?

The other two are irrelevant.

>This is why I need some people to contact me on Steam or via email.

And why is that, exactly?

>>2858
>because I have never been in the target demo
>hurr durr

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2860

>>2859
>I criticized her for writing a shitty episode
This is something rational people acknowledge, not go on a year long tirade about.

>It doesn't matter if she wrote it before S1

I'll say it again, it doesn't matter that she had nothing to go off of besides some character outlines?

>It's a poor excuse for an ep in any context, but just even more so in comparison to the other eps. Edit; in addition "written before it aired.' Durr, why the hell does that matter? It wasn't written before the other eps were written, was it? She'd never seen them, eh? Hurr.

Do you understand what's going on here? Most of S2 was written when S1 was still either unaired or just debuting its first few episodes. Other writers had written 3-4 episodes by the time Merriwether wrote her first episode in S2. They had the benefit of experience and having had written on S1, she didn't. What's not understood here?

>Speaking of "mental gymnastics", your extreme desire to make people who disagree with you look like idiots through verbal jousts rather than just replying requires more than enough gymnastics on your part, and no small amount of rushed judgments and presumed, generalized intent.

No, doing so requires presenting facts, not all this incongruent stuff about gymnastics, but I apologize for using words and facts to reply to these posts.

>No, but they are perceptive to subtle things, very much so.

I'm still looking for proof of these mysterious focus groups.

>Show is about friendship. The friendship of 6 characters. Twilight is the central character, yes, but the show's focus is not solely her

Here's some more of those dratted facts. The show's overall story arc is about Twilight's destiny. The big episodes will always focus around that. This is the way Hasbro and DHX want it, that's how it will stay.

>why the fuck would they go out of their way to make a myriad of character with different personalities in order to give most types of kids a character to relate to and then ignore them in favor of one?

The single shot one parters are up for grabs, that's evident, and Lesson Zero strengthened that position so that Twilight didn't have to be shoe horned into every episode.

>And why is that, exactly?

You absolutely don't have to worry about that.

Anonymous 2861

>not go on a year long tirade about.
I don't.

>This is something rational people acknowledge.

Not all, it seems. I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?

>What's not understood here?

Nothing. None of this mitigates the fact it's a bad episode. Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty. Right?

>but I apologize for using words and facts to reply to these posts.

Fuck off with that shit, you're acting like an ass without it being necessary. I do apologize for not holding the exact same opinion as you on every thing.

>I'm still looking for proof of these mysterious focus groups.

You say children aren't perceiving, consciously or unconsciously, the characterization of a character portrayed as an asshole and her friends as vindictive. I say they do. No focus group required. Though it's widely known children absorb such subtle things pretty well.

>Here's some more of those dratted facts. The show's overall story arc is about Twilight's destiny. The big episodes will always focus around that. This is the way Hasbro and DHX want it, that's how it will stay.

You're arguing with someone who isn't even saying that (as you commonly do, because you frequently forget who the fuck you're talking to in lieu of making points you've made to others over and over again instead of comprehending the person before you and responding accordingly (I'm sure it's easier that way.) As has even been said to you before, in "big' episodes (premiers and finales) like with Discord, they managed to write a relatable, fun, demographic-appropriate story that advanced Twilight's "destiny" without leaving behind (or treating laughably) the other major characters. I don't want "Hasbro and DHX" to change the overall arc, I want the writers to continue their stellar work without compromising.

>You absolutely don't have to worry about that.

That's what you think.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2862

>I'll say it again, it doesn't matter that she had nothing to go off of besides some character outlines?

>Do you understand what's going on here? Most of S2 was written when S1 was still either unaired or just debuting its first few episodes. Other writers had written 3-4 episodes by the time Merriwether wrote her first episode in S2. They had the benefit of experience and having had written on S1, she didn't. What's not understood here?


I don't get why this is a counterargument. She had the same or better access to the same materials as all the other writers of episodes up to that point.

Not saying this as a MW hater — I quite like PYHD. But logically, I don't see her as being at a structural disadvantage to the other writers.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2863

>>2861
>I don't.
yet here we are, a year since the episode aired.

>Not all, it seems. I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?

rational people wouldn't move on from MMDW? oh.

>Nothing. None of this mitigates the fact it's a bad episode. Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty. Right?

I'm explaining why it happened, which should absolutely mitigate this year long anger. It's called gaining perspective.

>Fuck off with that shit

For the record, I've been told to fuck off with my facts.

>you're acting like an ass without it being necessary.

>Implying presenting the facts surrounding the situation is tantamount to being as ass because it conflicts with your position.

>I do apologize for not holding the exact same opinion as you on every thing.

>implying I care what your opinion is

>You're arguing with someone who isn't even saying that

You just said that the show is about the whole mane 6. When it comes to the bigger episodes, that's simply not the case.

>as you commonly do, because you frequently forget who the fuck you're talking to in lieu of making points you've made to others over and over again instead of comprehending the person before you and responding accordingly

I don't even know where you would pull that idea out of your ass. If you feel this is an actual concer, and not something you're just making up, then get a fucking name like everyone else.

>like with Discord, they managed to write a relatable, fun, demographic-appropriate story that advanced Twilight's "destiny" without leaving behind (or treating laughably) the other major characters.


Of course you're joking right? The mane 6 did nothing in RoH after they were discorded in the FIRST PART. Twilight carried that entire episode (and a giant boulder on her back). Same thing with ACW. The mane 6 did nothing while Twilight did everything. At least in TCE they kept the crystal ponies from rioting while Twilight went looking for the heart.

>(or treating laughably) the other major characters.

The mane 6 literally became walking jokes when they were discorded. Their only purpose was to make the audience laugh.

>>2862
I could only reassert the sentences you linked as proof of her disadvantage. Having not probably seen an episode of the show, or having written several S1 episodes, and because of her history, there's now ay she could have been on the same level as the other writers at the time.

Anonymous 2864

>>2863
>yet here we are, a year since the episode aired.
>rational people wouldn't move on from MMDW? oh.
I *just* said "I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?"

>I'm explaining why it happened, which should absolutely mitigate this year long anger. It's called gaining perspective.

I *just* said " "Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty"

>For the record, I've been told to fuck off with my facts.

You've been told to fuck off with your bullshit attitude and self-righteous delusion of superiority. Half of the shit we aren't even disagreeing on, but you can't even agree with someone without coming off a humongous dickbag.

>You just said that the show is about the whole mane 6.

"Show is about friendship. The friendship of 6 characters. Twilight is the central character,"
Nigga do you even read? That's 3 statements in that post alone you've completely failed to comprehend at even a basic level.

>I don't even know where you would pull that idea out of your ass. If you feel this is an actual concer, and not something you're just making up, then get a fucking name like everyone else.

Even you're in this bullshit anti-anon delusion? Fucking hellfire.

>Of course you're joking right? The mane 6 did nothing in RoH after they were discorded in the FIRST PART. Twilight carried that entire episode (and a giant boulder on her back). Same thing with ACW. The mane 6 did nothing while Twilight did everything. At least in TCE they kept the crystal ponies from rioting while Twilight went looking for the heart.

Disagree. Just because they were getting/got beaten doesn't mean their characters weren't explored.

>The mane 6 literally became walking jokes when they were discorded. Their only purpose was to make the audience laugh.

Yes, because a few jokes made with their discorded personalities totally makes the whole thing a joke and not actually a rather dark exploration of their potential inverted personas.

I'll reply to whatever high-horse bullshit you come up with later tonight.

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2865

So if someone has a history of shitty writing it's okay if they continue to write shitty episodes? Seems legit.

I should've never mentioned this, I shoulda known this shit would start despite trying to make my comment as much of a one-off as possible.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2866

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>>2865
>So if someone has a history of shitty writing it's okay if they continue to write shitty episodes?
Adventure Time and Spongebob are drastically different than MLP, you'd acknowledge this I'm sure. The style of those episodes translate to a shitty MLP episode. Compound that with everything else I said, and MMDW should come into focus. That's it. There's nothing more to read into it.

>>2864
>I *just* said "I still see people who are otherwise 'rational' say otherwise, which is why it keeps coming up, no?"
Ok, I'll make it simpler for you. NO. Rational people don't harp endlessly about MMDW, seeking no perspective, and screaming "ruined forever" as soon as the title card comes up.

>I *just* said " "Those are the reasons why it happened, not factors that make it any less shitty"

No one is trying to make the episode less shitty. I *just* said that I'm explaining the why for the benefit of perspective. What's wrong with you?

>You've been told to fuck off with your bullshit attitude and self-righteous delusion of superiority. Half of the shit we aren't even disagreeing on, but you can't even agree with someone without coming off a humongous dickbag.

Does that language get you very far with the girls during recess? In a few more years, maybe you'll try smoking!

>Even you're in this bullshit anti-anon delusion? Fucking hellfire.

You *just* inexplicably whined about me supposedly losing track of who I'm talking to. Getting a name is a solution.

>Disagree. Just because they were getting/got beaten doesn't mean their characters weren't explored.

What exactly was explored with Rarity, AJ, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, and Dash's character while they were discorded? The only time the mane 6 were useful to Twilight was when they weren't discorded at the beginning, and in the second half of part 2.

>Yes, because a few jokes made with their discorded personalities totally makes the whole thing a joke and not actually a rather dark exploration of their potential inverted personas.

I guarantee nobody on the DHX staff sees it that way. Of course you can feel free to, but that's not what they were probably going for.

>I'll reply to whatever high-horse bullshit you come up with later tonight.

>pic related
High horses are for plebs with a trampoline. Go highest horse or go home.

Anonymous 2867

>>2857
put your email or steam. Ill add you/contact you.

Not the anon youre talking to tho.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2868

>>2867
Thank you, but I'm only looking for specific people, and not for a reason you'd expect.

Anonymous 2869

>>2866
actually, Larson said that the Discord episodes were intentionally pretty dark

Anonymous 2870

>What exactly was explored with Rarity, AJ, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie, and Dash's character while they were discorded? The only time the mane 6 were useful to Twilight was when they weren't discorded at the beginning, and in the second half of part 2.

Whats with you not giving the show much credit lately. It explored Rarity's Greed which was held back by Generosity. It explored Fluttershy's brashness held back by shyness. It explored Rainbow Dash's conflicting loyalties. It explored pinkie pie's fears of not being loved. It explored AJ's wanting to lie held back by honesty

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2871

>>2869
I'd absolutely agree that the implications of discording the mane 6 are dark, but that's a subsequent relation to make and not a primary intent. On the surface you have 5 of the mane 6 acting hilariously OOC, which I think if for some hypothetical reason they had to choose between writing a dark episode, and making the mane 6 perform funny hijinks while discorded, they'd go with the latter just for the benefit of the target audience. Discord himself is comparable to the situation the mane 6 were in, crazy and silly on the outside, and if you look deeper you can find a strong presence of malice.

>>2870
and presented those in an amusing manner for the purpose of being a light hearted obstacle to Twilight.


This honestly has nothing to do with the OP. It's a derail of a derail that Jiggly was never looking for. It's time to disengage.

Anonymous 2872

>>2866
>Does that language get you very far with the girls during recess?

>">kids have autistic fits over characterization just like I do. "

>">im a special little snowflake and the show should be written how I want it to be,"

>use ridiculous insult and unnecessary tactic

>get butthurt and try to decry when someone uses "fuck"
>talks down, condescending as if his way of 'arguing' is any better (protip: it's worse)

>>2867
inb4 it's some asshole like Saikar or something.

>>2871
>time to back off now that I've completely made a pompous ass of myself

Anonymous 2873

>>2872
Not Saikar, but sai always seemed alright to me. What did/does he do?

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2874

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>>2872
ohmigosh, did I say the F word?
>pic related
Let's count your naughty boy swear count, separated by post:

>>2872
>asshole
I'll leave out all the other assholes
>>2864
>shitty
>Fuck off with that shit, you're acting like an ass
>because you frequently forget who the fuck you're talking to

Not to mention that you're probably the anon who's been warned by mods recently to cool it with the mindless flaming.

>inb4 it's some asshole like Saikar or something.

What the hell did Sai do? He's a good guy.

Anonymous 2875

>>2874
…You really do have a reading comprehension problem, don't you? I was saying that you were acting put off by my language when you were being an insulting ass from the get-go. And no, he's not.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2876

>>2873

I liked him as well, but back when I used to read pchan he would sometimes piss people off with his unashamed Twilight supremacism.

He would also fanbattle a handful of posters and bring the mods into it. Anon may have been caught up in some of that drama.

Anonymous 2877

>>2876
I hate self-righteous elitism. If a person pretty much embodies that in both their posting about the show and their interpersonal interactions, chances are I'm going to strongly dislike them.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2878

>>2875
I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I'm forming an organization called the "Friends of Saikar"

>when you were being an insulting ass from the get-go.

If you believed that, and you were interested in some higher ground, you wouldn't have gone off like you did. if you are the anon that the mods reprimanded, then you sure as shit don't have any room to talk.

Anonymous 2879

>>2878
1, I'm not that anon. 2, I'm not interested in 'high ground', I'm interested in you not being an asshole to start and then acting like someone else is beneath you for the very behavior you were exhibiting. And I'm interested in stating an opinion without you acting like yours is a fact. That you had to start that post off with a shitty trolling BS line shows me there's no real room to accomplish that in this instance. Better luck next time, I guess.

edited out. too personal.

Anonymous 2880

>>2879
ok well, I can see why people wouldn't like him, but he has always been nice to me so idk.

Anonymous 2881

>>2880
I edited that part out. It wasn't necessary.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2882

>>2879
You have my posts readily available. If you don't like that the facts I presented fly in the face of your fantasy that Merriwether is some shithead who has no excuse for writing a bad episode, then that's your problem. I can't help you, I'm not trying to help you because I'm not interested in helping you. I am however, interested in presenting the facts on the matter. You can do with them whatever you wish. And again, like I said, this has nothing to do with the OP, so speak your peace, and go your own way.

Anonymous 2883

>>2882
>If you don't like that the facts I presented fly in the face of your fantasy that Merriwether is some shithead who has no excuse for writing a bad episode,
Bro. Read. Read. You gave the reasons why she wrote a shitty episode. I said yep, those are the reasons. No one said there were no excuses for writing a shitty episode. All I said were that those excuses didn't make the episode itself any less shitty. This is part of the problem. You state generic facts that and then extrapolate an opinion (or in this case, a counter to someone else's opinion) and act like you TOTES PWNED THEM DUDE, LAWL.



>I am however, interested in presenting the facts on the matter.

Okay, great, thanks. You presented the facts that we all already knew - she'd never written that type of show before, she'd only written storyboard generic cartoon drivel, she didn't have the benefit of previous experience on the show, she didn't have previous, better episodes to go off of (of course, this particular excuse is BS, since she not ONLY had those episodes to refer to, but the benefit of all the other writers around her to talk to about them). Thanks for those 'facts.' It's still a bad episode. That's like stating facts from Anders Brevik's manifesto as to why he massacred a bunch of people and then trying to say it makes the massacre somehow less awful, because bro, there were reasons bro, there were reasons.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2884

>>2883
>those excuses didn't make the episode itself any less shitty.
and I said several times that i agree. You persisted with this hissy fit about "high horses" and "pompous ass", and all this bullshit.

>of course, this particular excuse is BS, since she not ONLY had those episodes to refer to

What are "those episodes"? MMDW was most likely written before 10/10/10, or shortly after that.

>but the benefit of all the other writers around her to talk to about them

That's not her style. Anyone who's read about her would know that she tends to write scripts in just a few hours.

I love how you act all dismissive of the things i said earlier, but you're the one who took those words and brought us here.

Anonymous 2885

>>2884
>and I said several times that i agree.
Where. It sounded like you were insistent on saying the excuses were in fact mitigating factors.

>What are "those episodes"? MMDW was most likely written before 10/10/10, or shortly after that.

Are you really saying that she did not have access to any of the episodes or any of the prior scripts because they hadn't aired yet?

>That's not her style. Anyone who's read about her would know that she tends to write scripts in just a few hours.

It's not her style to actually think about prior episodes or talk to any other writer on a show. Good to know, glad she's gone, because that sounds like a shitty writer.
>she tends to write scripts in just a few hours.
See above, wow, glad that stupid bitch is gone.

>I love how you act all dismissive of the things i said earlier, but you're the one who took those words and brought us here.

What are you even talking about at this point. If something was dismissed, raise it, not 'hurr i love how u dismiss' like a passive aggressive faggot.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2886

>>2885
>Where. It sounded like you were insistent on saying the excuses were in fact mitigating factors.

See:

>>2860
>This is something rational people acknowledge

>>2863
>I'm explaining why it happened, which should absolutely mitigate this year long anger. It's called gaining perspective.

>>2866
>Adventure Time and Spongebob are drastically different than MLP, you'd acknowledge this I'm sure. The style of those episodes translate to a shitty MLP episode. Compound that with everything else I said, and MMDW should come into focus. That's it. There's nothing more to read into it.

>No one is trying to make the episode less shitty. I *just* said that I'm explaining the why for the benefit of perspective. What's wrong with you?



I'll summarize for a final time. We all know MMDW had horrible writing. There were reasons for this. It's time to acknowledge these factors, and move forward from them.

Anonymous 2887

>>2886
> It's time to acknowledge these factors, and move forward from them.
I already have. Save for when people actually try to defend it as anything but horrible writing and an awful episode. :\

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2888

>>2887
well when that happens, let me know and I'll run over to Walmart, buy some tiki torches and pitchforks, and we'll march on their homes.

2889

Now, chaps, before we continue any further with this—stop to consider: What if Merriwether is reading this thread right now, perhaps somewhere alone, eating a frozen dinner in her apartment? What if you've made her really sad with this argument? How would you feel then?

I'll let you think about that. Carry on.

Anonymous 2890

>>2889
I would lel evertim

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2891

>>2889
I've always wanted to interview Merriwether Williams, and if I had to interview her, I would tell her that the adult fans are extremely passionate about the show, to the point of living vicariously through them for 22 minutes a week. We examine the characters closely because we love them, and the quality of their creation and development makes them feel real to us. The show to us is special from other cartoons on TV, especially within the target demographic. There is a level of intelligence, beauty, wit, and attention to detail that you will simply not find anywhere else. The show is bereft of cynicism, and doesn't draw its strength from negativity, or mean spirited conflict. I would tell her that the fans saw many of those things in the core story of MMDW, and in some scenes in her other episodes. However, there's still many aspects of her 4 episodes that were absolute home runs, and she should take great pride in them. I think that if she saw the show the way we did, she might approach her writing differently, and her episodes could be the best. I'm actually looking forward to her work in S3.

Jigglypuff!saU4Tsd4dU 2892

>>2891
I myself am cautiously optimistic. McCarthy is taking her job as story editor VERY seriously, and I doubt she'd let something like MNDW through.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2893

>>2892

I agree, and it points out something that gets overlooked in the blame MW hatefests — the failures in that ep weren't just her, they were systemic. It's the story editor's job to even out the tone in all those freelancer scripts and that didn't happen here. Maybe this script hit the inbox just as Lauren and Rob were ragequitting over Twilicorn.

DHX didn't help either, designing elaborate sets that fit nowhere in Ponyville, increasing the alien feel of the episode. On every writers' panel we hear about how much value gets added down the chain — that didn't happen here.

Which does not mean damn them all. 1 in 50 space shuttle missions blew up and we've seen nearly 60 pony eps, so we've already got that average beat. I just mean the problems were bigger than the writer.

I disagree w/ EqG's excuse for her — I don't see them hiring a new writer and not sending her a screener of whatever's been produced, along with the existing scripts and bible. But her failure with that episode doesn't definitively invalidate her skills any more than Lauren and Rob and Jayson and Sibsy's failure to catch and correct those problems invalidates their skills.

TL;DR: Everyone who was worried about the implications of a departing story editor and a new writer failing in MDW should be excited by the implications of a new story editor and a new writer succeeding in SiP. The team wasn't working right then, now it is.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2894

>>2893
You're assuming they sent her loads of material, assuming it existed, and that she would approach the episode in a manner unlike her previous experiences. We can't know for sure what happened, but we can see the results and try to deduce the reasons for what happened based on facts and precedent.

plusX!A2600Six9E 2895

>>2894

Larson said he'd seen the pilot & other scripts before writing his S1 scripts. I don't see them restricting access to these materials when bringing on a new S2 writer.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2896

>>2895
Like I said several times, maybe that's not her style. We already know she writes scripts in just a few hours. She's accustomed to writing brainless cartoons where characterization doesn't mean jack, she thought because this was MLP, a show for 4-7yo girls, that it would be more of the same, she thought wrong.

teh_Foxx0rz (Element of Textwall)!FoxxyWhyUQ 2897

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>>2896

This is only furthering the claim that she's completely unsuitable to have started on this show.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2898

>>2897
If she had as much respect for the show as the other writers do, and didn't bring with her the same unsavory elements found in other cartoons, she has the potential to be good. Right now, I do like most of what she puts out, but the negatives are pretty profound. I do forgive her for her mistakes though. It's too late to change S2, so for those who don't like her episodes, it's a loss, but I'd rather judge her after we've seen her S3 episodes.

EquestriaGuy!1DerpyVA.6 2899

>>2891
>>2898

So anyways, like I was saying…..


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